All differences that really dont matter to a lot of casual players.
Thats not an accurate comparision though. The leopards we have are drastically different with colours, location, behaviors, etc. same goes for the foxes and wolves.
And I thought i was upset about the coati...I think what's going on is that - at least in terms of the roster - we're all in a long term relationship with Frontier. And in those first few years, you start to pick up on your partner's weird quirks, but you look the other way or more attractive traits take focus:
"Okay, so five new animals per pack at a fourth of the price of the base game, a little steep, but hey look at all the cool new scenery and penguins too!"
"Huh, no waterfowl in a wetlands pack...eh, whatever, I love capybaras!!!"
"So PZ doesn't have flying birds even though there's a walkthrough aviary, okay, a little odd...but omg maned wolf and caracal!"
But over time, you start to grapple with the fact those quirks are more like features, problematic traits they are either unwillingly or unable to change...
"Wow nice porcupine! That's...that's a lot of ungulates..."
"Cool, a swan! You really needed more hoofstock huh..."
And then, finally, one day, after addressing your concerns and having those conversations, and finally come to the realization they're who they've always were, you just kinda snap:
"YOU KNOW WHAT F#$%^ YOU AND YOUR LACK OF A COATI!!!! ANOTHER ELEPHANT???? HOW FREAKIN' HARD IS IT TO FOLLOW A WISHLIST WE'VE BEEN UPDATING DAILY SINCE 2021, YOU TEA-SIPPING, HOLLY JOLLY HOLIDAY, HOGWARTS SOUNDING DORKS!!!!"
Not saying I'm there, I'm holding judgement and thought Americas was alright, but...the longer this goes on, the more apparent the gaps in the line-up become.
Yet, All of things people want are new species. Elephants are 3 species, and each vary in different ways. The new elephant is practically an identical copy to the Indian.
The base game Indian elephant is under-sized, which means either the Bornean elephant is going to be unrealistically small too, or it's just gonna be the same size as the Indian elephant
This point only seems to be relevant when its convenient. I've had lots of people tell me that conservation and education aren't important when I push against the carnivoran grain.
And yet it has the aquatic biome tag, not very characteristic of "thick rainforest" IMO.
We barely have any New Guinea fauna and that island has way more purchase in terms of candidate species.
The perfect one would've been African forest elephants, given they're a distinct species and pretty much do all the same things as the Bornean elephant while also being critically endangered.
Which are at least different species (also applies to foxes but I couldn't find a nice way to paraphrase it in the quote box)
I didn't want 2 leopards and 3 wolves either, doesn't mean it's a good thing they're in PZ and certainly doesn't validate the lesson at play not being learned.
You're using varied genera to justifiy a second subspecies for an in-game species. Not an equal comparison.
I can guarantee you that not a single Bornean elephant cares about how random people on the internet feel about a video game implementation of the subspecies. It's not that deep.
Don't be upset! No one is bashing the real life cresture. I think we can all pretty much agree that elephants are some of the most beautiful, endearing and complex animals in this World. Is just a bad pick for the game at this late stage.
Wasn't the Borneo elephant the one they found hidden in the mountains thay was actually saved due to animal trading?
Yes, and this is something that is commonly and routinely considered a negative by a lot of people, especially when we get a rare/nonexistent in captivity variation over a more common one (e.g. the wild water buffalo over the domestic water buffalo; the word 'domestic' obviously frightened Frontier but it's a far better pick than the wild one because it expands the realistic zoo roster).
Bolded the important bit. People wanted these other clones, and still do.
This is sooo wrong, there are phobias of every single type, I have a phobia of deep water and catfish, so people can’t post fotos and talk about deep water and catfish anymore now? Bit extreme
@RightWhale...what have you done...I’m excited for the monkey, and very excited for the deer, but I still can’t help but feel disappointed by what we aren’t getting.
Man, I love how we are at the point we get to have our third elephant (one not common in captivity) before I ever, EVER seem to get a duck. Seeing as to what the leak was, it only makes it even more sad. I’ve been visiting some zoos more recently, and I’ll be honest I’m not dying for another elephant. Want to know what we don’t have in game? An animal I see in almost every zoo? Ducks, waterfowl, geese, swans, screamers.
Obviously I’m not saying every DLC has to go my way, but getting the Swan two years ago followed by nothing is such a disappointment. I was really hoping making the Waterfowl Winners Club would show at least something in terms of interest, not to mention the general public and children do love waterfowl. They are common in kids areas, as well as some of my favorite habitats like tropical houses.
Obviously for us bird people we still could get a pheasant, and maybe the crane? But above all the other birds I need waterfowl. “Can’t you mod them into the game?” You can mod anything at this point including flying birds and fish, if Frontier is trying to fill in packs I don’t see why birds can continued to be left in the state that they are while we get multiples of other animals.
Either way, I’m still looking forward to the announcement and I would be more than happy to eat my words if need be. Also the Peere David’s deer my beloved
Isn't that when everyone was assuming the release date for the pack would be
There was one in zookeepers with the dictionary which frontier ended up doing the streisand effect to.
yes they do both elephants have the aquatic tag they just arent in the leak or challenge.
even worse according to the metawishlist it got a single vote it truley is the worst possible pick they could of possibly made. Casual players wont be able to tell the difference between the elephants, people who care about diversity don't want more subspecies, people who care about realism already have the most common and the likelihood that they are neighbouring one of the 5 zoos that have borneo elephants is low and on top of all that its literally got documented proof of essentially no one wanting it.
aquatic tags the concept were added fairly late I do however think that elephants got them the same time as the tapir.
No chance given the leak says the challenge will be over by thenMy guess:
June 24 announcement, 25 on Frontier Unlocked they will show all species (Barnyard did so I think) and 30 will be dlc
Strange they're excluded from the challenge. Maybe the Bornean elephants are included because Frontier's gonna give them deep diving? Who knows.
It really has been radio silence for no reason
None of the tree kangaroo are asian? and even if you go by political boundaries instead of biogeographic the goodfellows and matschies are both from new guinea which is considered asian
they dont none get even remotely close to sulawesi which is where the wallace line is even looking at the most eastern asian oceanian boundary line the lydekker line no tree kangaroo cross this line though the grizzled gets close
The species is wild but it does contain the domestic duck subspecies so it does fit the theme and would be more overall useable than just the domestic duck. It would be like adding the european rabbit the species as a whole isnt domestic but contains all domestic breeds of rabbit.
whats the first? all we know is deer, macaque, ratel and elephant
No one hates elephants its just that the elephant is objectively as useless of a pick as possible. Elephants are one of my favourite animals but in a selection of 7 animals from asia designed to support and build a healthy zoo game they honestly could not have picked a worse animal if they tried. It does nothing for the game functionality or realism wise.
You know things are bad when we agree something is a bad pick
They also missed the indian rhino.
I hate coyotes but me I love Borneann Elephant. #BorneanElephantLoveTrain
Never said i won't buy the DLC. It has 3 species i want. I'm expresing my dissatisfaction with being charged for an animal that is completly superfleous to the game. Is nice that some people Will enjoy it at least.
Just because the pack contains a single animal so redundant it makes the Himalayan Brown Bear look worthwhile doesn't mean people won't buy it...
