Sounds like people who demand updates to elite
Do "purple-haired heroes" scare everyone into Solo?
As someone who has only recently given in to pressure and got their first smartphone I am obviously not au fait with leetspeak so:
W T (letter between E and G) is a Purple-Haired Hero?
W T (letter between E and G) is a Purple-Haired Hero?
But of course I switch to PG or Solo for CGs. I don't play games with people who annoy me, no matter if I'm sitting at a table or in front of a monitor. Since I can be 95% sure there are unimmersive griefer kiddos waiting at CGs, I decide to avoid them, just like I avoid annoying people elsewhere.
The politically correct SJW term for griefer.W T (letter between E and G) is a Purple-Haired Hero?
I'm not so sure about not having intended that. I see no problem if the big scary griefer decides to do his mat gathering in solo. It's funny when that big bad griefer posts on this forum how solo is an exploit though. But that just makes the big bad griefer a hypocrite.
There's no rule against being a hypocrite
The form of PvP I was talking about, shoot random CMDRs, however is a legit form of PvP. I'm not sure which form of Open PvP you're talking about.
So, the bottom line is, what is the unintended behaviour with regard to mode switching?
There's a whole lot of truth in that. I personally, prefer 'fair as possible' when PvPing. That is to say, mano a mano.. Then it's my skill with my ship against the other player/ship. But I've come to realise, that in Elite, that is a huge failing on me. Expectign fairness or ethical-PvP is just not going to happen in Elite.
because of that, I have decided to leave Open as a mode not suited to me or my play style.
The problem I see is that many players want open to suit their playstyle, when it just never will. If I go into Open mode, I fully expect some ganking and very little one on one. After doing so and getting ganked, I'd be the last person to come on here and complain about it. This is not to be confused with me saying I think it is wrong and ruins the real PvP of Elite.
The solution is quiet simple. Don;t join Open and expect fairness or etchics or morals to flyign within the tin cans.
All the wonderfully creative forms of station griefing, for example.
To be clear, I think that FD generally completely misunderstood online gaming when designing ED. DB and Sandro might be game enthusiasts, but if so I'd wager it is mostly board-games instead of online computer games. Their concept of adversarial actions seems based on how people behave in a social, real-life, setting. A setting where 'creating fun together' is more important than 'winning', never mind going out of your way to explicitly try to make other people unhappy. It would explain why they are constantly caught off-guard when people invent new and creative ways of being a dingleberry.
In that light I suspect that the modes are designed to fit, on a higher level, one's desired game style. Instead, many use it to 'game the system'. Playing Solo because you dont enjoy, in general terms, interacting with others in your session. Playing Solo strictly because it allows for a more efficient powerplay meta is quite another. So at its most basic I suspect any mode-changing motivated by a perceived increase in chance to 'win' (whether it is to make PP easier, to refresh the mission board in the old days et cetera) instead of an intrinsic preference is unintended. Not everything that is unintended is wrong, of course, and once FD becomes aware of unintended behavior they still have to determine whether they want to allow it or not. But still, the idea that not all behavior is intended and desired is not invalid, I feel.
Given they introduced the speed limit in a (failed) attempt to limit station griefing I'd say they accept it will happen but don't want to make it too easy and want to protect players who don't appreciate it.
Which they've already done with modes and block.
As for the accidental/deliberate ramming code thing, a dev once said if they (or anyone else) could write software to do that reliably they'd be in the insurance/law enforcement business making an absolutely massive wodge of loot.
Before you joined there was no speed limit: any damage caused by collision was a crime. So people would boost shieldless sideys into condas, and then the conda would be killed by the station. The speed limit was introduced and made it possible to be immune to this trolling tactic. These kinds of things are unwanted, and even though some forms of station ramming still exist it is now far easier to not lose your ship to it. A complete 100% bulletproof coding against all forms of ramming is very difficult though, even conceptually.
Robert Maynard
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PvP exists because players can shoot at anything in the instance. It's not specifically rewarded nor does it have significant direct effects on the BGS (as, if it did, it would be exploited - just as scan bounties were exploited back in the day, causing the implementation of the bounty cap).
PvP was, I would posit, not designed to be "significant" in terms of its ability to dominate the game - simply because it is optional. If, on the other hand, Frontier had been making a PvP driven game then it would only have had a single game mode and would likely have a different galaxy state for each platform.
(yes, the sentence did make sense)
I think we've realised an end point to your OP.
Do PHH scare everyone into Solo? - No
But some do interfere, annoy, harass, have zero or go against RP as in current save humanity CG, exploit, remove gameplay and immersion, divert from current goals, get in the way enough to make some people choose to go PG or Solo. Mostly by individual actions so some just get blocked.
They just don't scare anybody.
Some switch modes after 5 minutes trying to get a docking pad. They're not scared of the wait, it just gets a bit boring after a while.
Edit: misquoted OP so corrected
Do PHH scare everyone into Solo? - No
But some do interfere, annoy, harass, have zero or go against RP as in current save humanity CG, exploit, remove gameplay and immersion, divert from current goals, get in the way enough to make some people choose to go PG or Solo. Mostly by individual actions so some just get blocked.
They just don't scare anybody.
Some switch modes after 5 minutes trying to get a docking pad. They're not scared of the wait, it just gets a bit boring after a while.
Edit: misquoted OP so corrected
Yes, my own experiences at the latest CG over the last few days have allowed me to answer my original post, which was made in a more "civilized" time of this Interstellar Initiative. Think of the OP as the opening chapter of a very long book (this thread), with the main character progressing from farm boy to Jedi throughout these many pages
What wrong with imposing a hard <100 speed limit withing 2k of the station?
Crazy pink haired clowns blowing everyone up for the lols is neither immersive nor dystopian. It's just silly and ridiculous. At least try to make a valid argument."That and I signed up for Mobius, for things like CGs when I want to do some hauling without an immersion-breaking ganker gauntlet."
Yes, because we all know how immersive having everyone grinning and offering to hug you is in the dystopian future that is the ED universe
Hey, are you drunk again?The fact that those who take pleasure in shooting random CMDRs are peeved about the presence of the non-Open modes, means the non-Open modes are working as intended.
It's just a game fellers, just pixel space ships. No need to twist those panties because you can't see some other kids when they are playing the game the way they want to.
That won't help. Rammers rarely kill me, but they annoy the hell out of me and completely ruin the feel of the game. Some pervert "touching" me at just 10 m/s over and over is going to ruin my gameplay and end up on my block list.
I do think Frontier could track how many times a ship bumps other ships in a station, and once that limit is hit, a warning is given ("Ramming is a crime punishable by death"), and then after a few more, BOOM! You know, like notoriety for ramming.
I'd think anyone who has played enough board games or table-top RPGs, with enough people, would generally be immune to being caught off guard by "dingleberries" in video games.
Not entirely. I find that 'being in punching distance' tends to somewhat mitigate the worst tendencies in humans.
Not entirely. I find that 'being in punching distance' tends to somewhat mitigate the worst tendencies in humans.
Only if they think you're serious and that they won't come out on top...even then some people can't help themselves.