Which Linux and which version?
I suspect you understand the point I'm making.
It's also a moot question. If you only have any Linux then you have self selected an operating system that has a very low number of games available. And that's fine. But if you can afford the hardware to run Elite, then you can afford windows, so please stop presenting a false dichotomy.
Or buy a PS4.
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yea...stop asking for a linux port. It's taking up crucial page1 space that could better be utilized with topics about crying because playing against other humans is too hard and more discussions on the merits of open/private and solo modes or complaining about paint jobs.
You should apologize.
You should apologize.
This should not be relevant if done the right way... but if FD were to target any given Linux distro then I would say they should target SteamOS.
I agree in theory, but alas the question is totally relevant, and remains rather pointed, given the tiny gaming market that Linux represents.
But you are correct, FDEV would need to target a stable controlled monoculture distro. So Steam it is. Anyone else see the irony in this...?
So much negativity. I'm not asking you all to switch from the Windows version, yet you're being so defensive. The level of misinformation and hatred for Linux here is fascinating.
Is this the level of toxicity that I can expect to find from players in the game, or is it just this forum?
Is this the level of toxicity that I can expect to find from players in the game, or is it just this forum?
I find it interesting that even with such a crushing market share, some (I emphasise some) Windows users seem mighty insecure.
FDev hinted at a possible Linux version when they were after every available pound for the KickStarter. Since then, as with the macOS version, more lucrative platforms have taken their attention.
ROFL... oh I can't breathe... OKay - calm down... wait... roflcmeo... Okay... Okay... Think of something not funny... just for a moment...right... get back up...
The amount of issues the average consumers have had over the latest two iterations of Windows, regarding updates and usability, especially with the automatic update to Windows 10 (giggle - okay Anthony, hold it together...) with the updates to Windows 10 killing of older hardware, with newer hardware only able to run on the latest chipsets... How can you look at that entire fiasco (it's still ongoing for some people) and make a statement that Windows beats anything for usability and maintainability for the average user?
And yes, I'm an IT professional with over 15 years enterprise experience who is fully aware that Windows can't do everything and needs shoe-horning, manipulating and hacking in order to make it work for our enterprise... so he uses Linux to plug the gaping holes... Let's see - proper NTP, Wordpress, log shipping and analysis (unless you are a millionaire) cross platform printing for BYOD, network analysis, plus a whole host of applications that use up a fraction of the compute resources in Linux than when on Windows...
/rant /laughter and mockery
PS. Sorry if this offends you!!! It's my opinion...
I think you are drawing hyperbole conclusions - Linux is a good OS BUT it does not have the necessary degree of hardware developer support to challenge Windows in the consumer friendly OS market.... YET... I look forward to the day it is in that position though.
This simple fact is one of the main reasons Linux holds a relatively small share of the gaming OS community, it has nothing to do with "misinformation" nor "hatred".
As for ED being developed for Linux, if it does not result in needed developmental items being neglected then I have no issue with it. Since ED is now available on the PS4 (which runs a UNIX OS - as does the PS3) there is a fair degree of hope of ED being available on Linux sooner rather than later.
The PS4 and Mac basic code is probably very similar since both platforms' OS's have origins in BSD UNIX side of things (platform optimisations are probably where the main differences are). Crossing over to Linux may involve some new code being written but now the main markets have been addressed (PC/XB1/PS4, and to a degree Mac) Linux (on Intel/AMD PC/Mac hardware) support may not be that far away.
Obviously you are a bit ignorant towards Ubuntu Linux and Fedora Linux, which are like just way easier to manage than Windows. And those aren't my words, but few of my converted friends.
But I guess you have made up your mind, not gonna change that.
A lot of the so called "usability" issues stem from Microsoft trying to introduce the Metro architecture and moving towards a unified OS for all devices.
I would probably be one of the first people to criticise Microsoft and their Windows platform for many reasons but that still does not change the simple fact that their Windows OS environment (the current Vista/7/8/8.1/10 pedigree) still provides the best consumer-friendly environment on the PC.
You talk about OS updates and them being an issue - the ONLY issue I have ever had with those updates is WHEN they are installed and Microsoft seems to have addressed that in Windows 10 to a large degree. Where Linux is concerned, the issues with updates are diverse and complex but it is not unknown for updates to break specific applications or even effectively brick the OS. The same can not really be said of Windows updates in general (at least in recent years) although there have been some major issues in the past. Normally the degree of commercial support for Windows in general mitigates any issues with major updates.
As for the Enterprise environment, that is a different landscape altogether since most companies would want to restrict the hardware diversity as much as possible in order to keep support costs lower. In such an environment, Linux and UNIX in general is an ideal option assuming that you can get the applications you need to run on it work without issue. In fact, UNIX was the original "Enterprise" OS (in one form or another).
But that is moot, we are not talking about the Enterprise environment but the general consumer environment.
Fedora is a POS IMO... hate it, but have to work with it or it's RedHat commercial brethren. As for Ubuntu, I am not a big fan of the debian derivatives for various reasons.
Generally speaking, regardless of the distro, the hardware support issues do not really change significantly.
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A lot of the so called "usability" issues stem from Microsoft trying to introduce the Metro architecture and moving towards a unified OS for all devices.
I would probably be one of the first people to criticise Microsoft and their Windows platform for many reasons but that still does not change the simple fact that their Windows OS environment (the current Vista/7/8/8.1/10 pedigree) still provides the best consumer-friendly environment on the PC.
You talk about OS updates and them being an issue - the ONLY issue I have ever had with those updates is WHEN they are installed and Microsoft seems to have addressed that in Windows 10 to a large degree. Where Linux is concerned, the issues with updates are diverse and complex but it is not unknown for updates to break specific applications or even effectively brick the OS. The same can not really be said of Windows updates in general (at least in recent years) although there have been some major issues in the past. Normally the degree of commercial support for Windows in general mitigates any issues with major updates.
As for the Enterprise environment, that is a different landscape altogether since most companies would want to restrict the hardware diversity as much as possible in order to keep support costs lower. In such an environment, Linux and UNIX in general is an ideal option assuming that you can get the applications you need to run on it work without issue. In fact, UNIX was the original "Enterprise" OS (in one form or another).
But that is moot, we are not talking about the Enterprise environment but the general consumer environment.
That is your experience. As many other IT professionals will be aware, many people come to you for help with their problems, even if you send them away... I have seen a Windows 10 update brick a 3-year old Samsung laptop. I have had people begging for help to revert to Windows 7 from the forced and surreptitiously installed Windows 10 update because their printer/external device/favourite application no longer works. I have walked on a phishing session where the poor user was about to have their credit card scammed and pulled the plug and had fun with the idiot at the other end...
So... your experience seems a little limited in that regard compared to others, and what is reported in many of the mainstream IT journals and trash websites (not mentioning the Register...) Don't get me wrong, I am a windows guy... but after the mess that was the last two OSes... I use Linux on my desktop at work now... It's much more useful and stable.
Oh dude.. don't get me started...
Updates on Win 10 are the biggest pain in the rear ever. I frequently work with my laptop on multiple sites a day. The number of times windows has decided to start a gigantic update when I *really need to go to the next job right fracking now!* is insane. Set up schedules you say - sure.. Except, in all their wisdom, MS decided that no one is allowed to work more than 12 hour days. Which, in fact, I do. The install window for my work machine is 2am-5am. That's it. Any other time, I am highly likely to be working if the PC is on, and thus, can't afford for it to just take over and tell me to "please wait".
For heavens sake, even OSX lets me keep putting updates off indefinitely after bugging me.
Set up a metered connection you say...
Sure, except doing it for every damn wireless connection is annoying, and then, most times I connect with an ethernet cable, and this is not an option, because, clearly, if I am connected to wifi, I may have dowenloa dlimits, but an ethernet connection to that same router and internet plan clearly has no data limits.
Argh... I want to punch people at Microsft in the face, honestly.
This stuff really triggers me, and I am desperate to be able to ditch Windows altogether, except, work. And games *bangs head*.
Then we have our office, which relies, sadly, on Cisco VPN to connect to some machines that have not been changed since 2001 (not our fault)... Now, there is a way to make Cisco VPN client work, and it's not hard, but every other update decides to say "oh no, you can't use this, it's not compatible, we'll just switch it off for you, to be helpful..". Then I have to go through the whole reg editing sequence again. Is it too much to ask to leave my damn settings alone?
I am actually at the point of blocking all Microsoft connections, and finding ways to forever disable Windows updates. I'll do the darn update when I am good and ready.
ARGH!!!
Z...
If we are talking OS updates (which is off-topic)...
I manage IT for an organisation with over 1000 employees and 60% of our VMs are Linux-based. When it comes to monthly updates, our Linux servers are a breeze as downtime is minimal, predictable and easy, however Window-based servers are a crazy pain in the backside.
I manage IT for an organisation with over 1000 employees and 60% of our VMs are Linux-based. When it comes to monthly updates, our Linux servers are a breeze as downtime is minimal, predictable and easy, however Window-based servers are a crazy pain in the backside.
The days of Windows being the friendliest for users has gone, I'm afraid. They may be back one day...
Until then it's likely that some people (like I was until recently) will be stuck in a river in Egypt...
And yes - There should be a version of Elite Dangerous on Linux because it would run like [dark brown stuff] on a stick compared to Windows, like every other cross platform game out there...
Until then it's likely that some people (like I was until recently) will be stuck in a river in Egypt...
And yes - There should be a version of Elite Dangerous on Linux because it would run like [dark brown stuff] on a stick compared to Windows, like every other cross platform game out there...
Hardware support issues are relative and few, they are easily to control, especially if do Linux OEM fashion.
Why always in these discussions we use power user arguments is beyond me. Yes, not all hardware work on Linux. But not all hardware work on specific Windows release either.
As for RedHat and Ubuntu they halways worked with hardware OEMs to guarantee functionality of hardware. And real life evidence shows that for supermajority of times it is more than enough.
As an IT Pro with thirty+ years of corporate experience, it's my opinion as well. Not to forget almost universal configurability, stability and lower long term TCO make Linux not only viable in the Enterprise, but essential in many cases.
I had a Linux production server that had not been rebooted for more than two and a half years. Only reason we shut it down was to physically move the box to another rack in the server room. The only ereason I still have my Win7 is I can't play Elite: Dangerous on my Ubuntu install. The second I can, Windows is gone from my house forever.
A sin Windows has committed on multiple occasions as well.
UNIX also runs the Microsoft web site to this day as Windows Server cannot handle the load.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/328489-Windows-10-is-Not-For-Me
Just to throw this on the pile..
I attempted to play over the weekend and was playing around in VR. Decided I should try to fix Kaspersky first, ended up installing a newer version and scanning the system for vulnerabilities. Found a bunch of stuff, mainly in old versions of third party programs that were installed with other third party programs (like partition managers installing old versions of 7zip.) So because updates to these programs were being problematic, I ended up removing them since I wasn't using them anyhow.
Well what do you know, they somehow corrupted the EFI boot loader. Fortunately through Linux I was able to download the ISO and create a recovery disk to fix the EFI. Best part is, after doing the repair, it literally changed the boot loader to load the Windows Partition first in the EFI. Like don't touch my EFI, Windows!!
Anyhow because of that SNAFU, I only got to play the beta for a very short time... I actually forked over some good chunk of money for E : D because they at least had talked about doing a Linux release in the kickstarter. Last time I do that...
Though to be fair, they would need to upgrade to Vulkan for a proper port, so that we can play it in VR.
I attempted to play over the weekend and was playing around in VR. Decided I should try to fix Kaspersky first, ended up installing a newer version and scanning the system for vulnerabilities. Found a bunch of stuff, mainly in old versions of third party programs that were installed with other third party programs (like partition managers installing old versions of 7zip.) So because updates to these programs were being problematic, I ended up removing them since I wasn't using them anyhow.
Well what do you know, they somehow corrupted the EFI boot loader. Fortunately through Linux I was able to download the ISO and create a recovery disk to fix the EFI. Best part is, after doing the repair, it literally changed the boot loader to load the Windows Partition first in the EFI. Like don't touch my EFI, Windows!!
Anyhow because of that SNAFU, I only got to play the beta for a very short time... I actually forked over some good chunk of money for E : D because they at least had talked about doing a Linux release in the kickstarter. Last time I do that...
Though to be fair, they would need to upgrade to Vulkan for a proper port, so that we can play it in VR.