Europe & North America Done?

I would say no, absolutely not done.

I don’t think any region can really be described as done. Of course we don’t know how long support will last but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that the end is not by any means imminent.

In that light, I don’t see it in terms of rationing or that we can’t have any more European species because it means we won’t get anything from South America and we “need” a spider monkey more than a wild boar or a chamois.
 
I will never consider anything done, but I think it makes sense to make them a lower priority for a couple of DLCs.

-European species can be important for making European zoos, but barely matters for zoos outside of Europe. (with exceptions of course)
-North American species are often important globally, but I believe the roster is decent and somewhat diverse by now. Only an obvious lack of birds. (again with exceptions)

I would personally prefer the areas with bad/low representation to be taken to a decent level, before taking the areas with a decent level of representation to a good/high level.

When it comes to continents/regions SA should be of the highest priority. Oceania would reach a decent level by just adding a few specific species. IMO
When it comes to animal types I think birds and monkeys are suffering the most and almost any representation would be good here, no matter the continent.
 
I kind of hope so. I literally can't think of any other North American animals I want except the American flamingo, and the only European animals I still want aren't particularly likely (Eurasian brown bear, true Eurasian wolf, European wildcat).
 
Definitely not. I agree that South America and Oceania need the most love, but North America and Europe do have several species that could still be added.

North America

American Black Bear
- in my opinion it's essential to make a proper, realistic North American zoo, and while we already have a lot of bears, I feel like their wide range of color variants + their semi arboreal habits would set the ABB apart from the ones we already have in the game.

Big Horned Sheep - Covering both desert and mountain ecosystems, the BHS would be an extremely versatile pick.

American Porcupine - A fun, arboreal rodent which could be used in both NA sections and children zoo areas.

Muskox - A popular arctic animal and ice age relic with Zoo Tycoon nostalgia

Wolverine - Not really my favorite, but I wouldn't say no to North America's biggest, scariest mustilid.

North American River Otter - I know, another otter. It would be nice to have a species with temperate tolerance though. I'm not overly fussed if its NA or European.

Ocelot - Small cat, what more do I need to say?

Snapping Turtle - Either as an exhibit or a habitat animal (though I would strongly lean to the latter) these big boys would give a much need boost to reptile diversity

Anole species - An exhibit species, but a welcome one. Our current lack of smallish lizards makes making a reptile house difficult.

Birds - This is the area NA (and every continent really) is most lacking. Most neccessary imo are a turkey and a swan, but I would love burrowing owls, greater sage grouse, and whooping cranes for the conservation story, mallards and (extra aggressive) Canada geese for the ambience, and, if Frontier can get the flight down right, a small selection of raptors.

I would like a North America peccary, but the Chacoan Peccary is probably better for the conservation story.

Europe

Eurasian Wild Boar
- This is the most essential animal lacking from Europe at the moment and really common in zoos worldwide

Markhor chamois- After the boar, this is probably the most iconic European species we're still missing.

Barbary Sheep - Not likely that we'd get both this AND the Big Horn, but any desert sheep is welcome.

Crested Porcupine - As unlikely as it is, I hope we eventually get both porcupines. They are different enough in habitat, behavior, and appearance that substituting one for the other would be awkward.

 Wisent - Not my favorite, but I know they've got their fans, and I hope they get them for their wildpark one day.

Birds - I'm not as up on the birds of Europe, but I think some storks/pelicans/large waterbirds could be useful. Also, pheasants.

Domestics - This applies for NA as well as Europe, but a few common farm animals (donkey, goat, goose, chick, minature cow/horse/pig) could be paired with the llama to make a nice farm area. I know that most of these species aren't from Europe or NA originally, but many if the breeds commonly held in zoo collections are).
 
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Definitely not. I agree that South America and Oceania need the most love, but North America and Europe do have several species that could still be added.

North America

American Black Bear
- in my opinion it's essential to make a proper, realistic North American zoo, and while we already have a lot of bears, I feel like their wide range of color variants + their semi arboreal habits would set the ABB apart from the ones we already have in the game.

Big Horned Sheep - Covering both desert and mountain ecosystems, the BHS would be an extremely versatile pick.

American Porcupine - A fun, arboreal rodent which could be used in both NA sections and children zoo areas.

Muskox - A popular arctic animal and ice age relic with Zoo Tycoon nostalgia

Wolverine - Not really my favorite, but I wouldn't say no to North America's biggest, scariest mustilid.

North American River Otter - I know, another otter. It would be nice to have a species with temperate tolerance though. I'm not overly fussed if its NA or European.

Ocelot - Small cat, what more do I need to say?

Snapping Turtle - Either as an exhibit or a habitat animal (though I would strongly lean to the latter) these big boys would give a much need boost to reptile diversity

Anole species - An exhibit species, but a welcome one. Our current lack of smallish lizards makes making a reptile house difficult.

Birds - This is the area NA (and every continent really) is most lacking. Most neccessary imo are a turkey and a swan, but I would love burrowing owls, greater sage grouse, and whooping cranes for the conservation story, mallards and (extra aggressive) Canada geese for the ambience, and, if Frontier can get the flight down right, a small selection of raptors.

I would like a North America peccary, but the Chacoan Peccary is probably better for the conservation story.

Europe

Eurasian Wild Boar
- This is the most essential animal lacking from Europe at the moment and really common in zoos worldwide

Markhor - After the boar, this is probably the most iconic European species we're still missing.

Barbary Sheep - Not likely that we'd get both this AND the Big Horn, but any desert sheep is welcome.

Crested Porcupine - As unlikely as it is, I hope we eventually get both porcupines. They are different enough in habitat, behavior, and appearance that substituting one for the other would be awkward.

 Wisent - Not my favorite, but I know they've got their fans, and I hope they get them for their wildpark one day.

Birds - I'm not as up on the birds of Europe, but I think some storks/pelicans/large waterbirds could be useful. Also, pheasants.

Domestics - This applies for NA as well as Europe, but a few common farm animals (donkey, goat, goose, chick, minature cow/horse/pig) could be paired with the llama to make a nice farm area. I know that most of these species aren't from Europe or NA originally, but many if the breeds commonly held in zoo collections are).
Markhor is from Central Asia and not from Europe. The Crested Porcupine I would put more to Africa than to Europe even with the Mediterrean Population. The Barbary Sheep is from Africa. There is no European population.
Ocelots and American Porcupines I would rather put to Central America and SA than to NA

Edit: Old world and new world porcupines are not very closely related even if they look similar. Getting both would be great.
 
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I'm pleasantly surprised North America has as much content as it has (compared to games like Zoo Tycoon 1 and 2), but I think it has a bit more that can be added before being considered "complete". However, I was a bit bummed to see a slot in the NA DLC taken by the arctic fox, which could have easily been put into the Arctic DLC. If I were to make a traditional secondary pack for NA (4+1 pack), I would have:

1. Black bear/coyote/bobcat (carnivore rep)
2. Bighorn sheep/Elk/White tailed deer (ungulate rep)
3. Turkey/great blue heron/roadrunner (bird rep)
4. Wolverine/black footed ferret/porcupine/jackrabbit (small mammal rep)
5. Horned lizard/coral snake/hellbender (exhibit rep)

I think you could optimize a combination of the above choices to maximize environment diversity (i.e. black bear - temperate, bighorn sheep - taiga, roadrunner - desert, black footed ferret - grassland, hellbender - aquatic (although an exhibit animal)).

The rest of the contenders that I think deserve reputation could be fit into packs that would satisfy multiple other continents or themes, like the sea otter, walrus, alligator snapping turtle, and WI manatee into another aquatic pack, bald eagles, California condors, and great horned owls into the obvious bird pack, and the ocelot, collared peccary, nine banded armadillo, and ringtail into a Central America pack (which would also do wonders to help with sorely needed South American animals).

TLDR;
There's room for another small NA pack for the big hitters (although unlikely with the way we've switched from continent to theme DLCs), while the rest of the big options could fit into other packs (hopefully Central America so SA gets some love.

No clue for Europe lol.
 
There are some living in Spain, but I think they were introduced and not really a European animal.
Yes, they were introduced. In the same way I could say the Greater Rhea is a European species because there is a stable free population living in the North of Germany, since more than 20 years.
 
Markhor is from Central Asia and not from Europe. The Crested Porcupine I would put more to Africa than to Europe even with the Mediterrean Population. The Barbary Sheep is from Africa. There is no European population.
Ocelots and American Porcupines I would rather put to Central America and SA than to NA

Edit: Old world and new world porcupines are not very closely related even if they look similar. Getting both would be great.
Face!palm, chamois not makhor. I am getting my goats mixed up.

Technically Central America is geographically a part of North America, though I agree that zoologically it is more a part of South America (and Frontier apparently thinks so too given the choices in the South America pack). There are colors in Texas though. Extremely rare and endangered, but still there.
 
I also don't consider that Europe and NA are done yet, but they are on a good way. Will it ever be done completely? Of course it won'tt, but I don't think that's the point.
As said before, for Europe I'm just missing something more from the Iberian peninsula, which would feel good with a European rabbit. The wild boar would boost all the regions, so I would also happily take it. And of course there's the wolverine, which would also add a new species to North America As of birds, I would really like to see a pelican species, a capercaillie and a white stork. The Alpine marmot, chamois, European mink, Wisent, white swan, a marten, an European otter and even something like a snow hare would be nice if support goes long enough.

I'm almost happy with North America, the only thing I'm missing is some more representation from the South. The collared peccary and white-nosed coati would be great to boost the deserts from the Southwestern USA and also Central America (and to some extent even South America). A wild turkey would be nice to have at least a bird. From the North, wolverine and Musk ox is all I need. From central America, I'm specially missing the Geoffroy's spider monkey, a small cat would also be nice, and I personally would go with the margay, even if less popular than the ocelot. Even thought, a NA porcupine, a sea otter, a mountain goat, a bighorn sheep would also be nice, but really far from essential (at least for me).
And then there's the Carribean, which has mainly smaller species or ones who are rarely kept in zoos outside of the region. The only (habitat) species which I see as possible, are the American flamingo and the brown pelican. Would I like to have two pelican species?- Definitley! I think they are different enough from each other and also live on completely different habitats, but I'm not sure what the community thinks about this.
 
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While there’s others I’d like to see, the Wolverine is the only major missing habitat animal for me from Europe and NA.

I wouldn’t be surprised by a Wild Boar or American Black Bear but I don’t consider them essential, just higher profile animals.
 
While there’s others I’d like to see, the Wolverine is the only major missing habitat animal for me from Europe and NA.

I wouldn’t be surprised by a Wild Boar or American Black Bear but I don’t consider them essential, just higher profile animals.
It depends on what you want to build. If you want to create a typical Middle European Wildpark the Wild Boar surely is more essential than the Wolverine. In this case even Wisent and Eurasian Brown Bear are more essential (even when I have personally no Problem to take one of the other brown bears instead).
I think the same goes for NA. The American Black Bear is really missing for people from there to make a good home Zoo as it is one of the most charismatic animals from NA.
 
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I think for now we should just focus on South America and Oceania first, then maybe another biome pack with representation of all regions.
Regard NA, I think we don't need anymore temperate animals, imo we only need an Armadillo and a Peccary, the ABB is very close to the formosan for me, so it's not essential but it's alright if we get it. For Europe we could use White Storks, Mute Swans, Crested Porcupines, Boars, Hares/Bunnies, Ferrets/Minks, which are very essential to european Zoos.
 
If you want to create a typical Middle European Wildpark
The American Black Bear is really missing for people from there to make a good home Zoo
Of course the same can be said for any number of animals from Australia (and especially New Zealand).

Fact of the matter is, neither European or North American animals are exceedingly common outside of their home ranges, and when they are, it's usually a 'swap' (European wildlife appears in North American zoos, and North American wildlife appears in European zoos). Meanwhile the rest of us are shorted, and we don't even ask for all that much.
 
I think for now we should just focus on South America and Oceania first, then maybe another biome pack with representation of all regions.
Regard NA, I think we don't need anymore temperate animals, imo we only need an Armadillo and a Peccary, the ABB is very close to the formosan for me, so it's not essential but it's alright if we get it. For Europe we could use White Storks, Mute Swans, Crested Porcupines, Boars, Hares/Bunnies, Ferrets/Minks, which are very essential to european Zoos.
I am a different opinion. Asia and Africa have also "empty holes" which should be filled with next packs. Sure the continents as a whole have the most animals but they are also much bigger than the other. When I look to Oceania I think there are surely some species missing (Kiwi, Emu, Wallaby, Echidna, Devil, Tree Kangaroo) but we can have a basic rooster at the end if every pack has perhaps 1 species (without any hints or more knowledge I just say now 5 packs, we could get more or lese for sure). For SA I agree that a huge amount of common species (I am based on my own Zoo experience) are missinh. A lot of NA (or more Central American) animals are also living in SA. And in case of the Crested Porcupine I do not care if we get the African or the Indian. But even with a population at meditterean area I connect them more to Africa than Europe.
 
Of course the same can be said for any number of animals from Australia (and especially New Zealand).

Fact of the matter is, neither European or North American animals are exceedingly common outside of their home ranges, and when they are, it's usually a 'swap' (European wildlife appears in North American zoos, and North American wildlife appears in European zoos). Meanwhile the rest of us are shorted, and we don't even ask for all that much.
Sorry for double posting. I agree that there are some very missing species from Oceania. A Lot of them are high on my wishlist and far higher than the Wild Boar. But this thread is about NA and Europe. And for Europe I would say that the Wild Boar is essential for creating a Zoo with local Fauna.
 
Of course the same can be said for any number of animals from Australia (and especially New Zealand).

Fact of the matter is, neither European or North American animals are exceedingly common outside of their home ranges, and when they are, it's usually a 'swap' (European wildlife appears in North American zoos, and North American wildlife appears in European zoos). Meanwhile the rest of us are shorted, and we don't even ask for all that much.

But that aint important for this thread, is it?
The thread is if north america and europe are close to being finished, which objectivly isnt true.
And while i agree that SA and oceania both got the short end of the stick abd need the most attention going forward, that doesnt make certain european and north american species less essential for the game.
Africa is great, even if fan favorites are missing, same for asia.
North america is quite good now with missing key species for great like the ABB, a bird, the NA porcupine and something for the south like a collared peccary.
Meanwhile europe is bordering finally having a decent representation with only one really essential species missing to cover the bases, south america just kind of sucks and oceania barely passed the line of being able to have a oceanian area that hasnt exactly the same animals as the next guy.
Of the 6 continents, we got a clear cut between those that do pretty good and those that struggle, so why does it so often boil down to europe and north america being blamed for the poor south american and oceanian rosters?
North america has struggled itself and finally became quite good with just a few animals that people agree on missing and europe has a history of for some reason being the black sheep of the continents and needing to be defended for any addition.
Thats just not fun and while i understand the frustration with the state of oceania and south america it annoys me to all end that people blame the two mainly temperate continents for it.
Be it that "they only exist in zoos there", which is like yeah but roughly half of all zoos on the planet are in europe, 309 zoos are in germany alone, thats more then in all of oceania.
Like yeah i get and agree that every zoos should get their local animals, but why is the fact that something is only common in europe a bad thing when thats half of all zoos?
Why do people have to defend their wants for more european and north american animals in a thread about exactly that?
I know that im just ranting by now and that this is obviously not just a reaction to that comment or mr nz, whose opinion o very much respect alot, but to this whole weird mindset that preveils in these forums that the fact that NA got a great coverage and europe a decent one is a reason to critic the game instead of praise.
Its like why?
Why are people so insisting that those two continents that make up a clear majority of all zoos on this planet are not deservant of having their fauna featured in the game?
Ofcourse i also wish for more sa and oceanian animals, but why is wishing for a wild boar as an essential for your local zoo controversial but not for the kiwi?
Why cant we just wish for both and leave people alone about literally just stating that they want animals common in their zoos, what a shocker.
Its like really, take it in.
Wild boar and kiwi are both the 3. Animal of their taxa, come primarly from an underrepresented continent, are both mostly kept in their native range and arnt that common outside of it, are both visually unique and are considerd essential for their local zoos.
Why is one controversial and the other isnt?
And why is it the one thats kept in over 363 zoos instead of the one kept in 12 +7 EAZA zoos outside its native range?
Im not hating on the kiwi, but pls somebody explain to me why its kiwi yay and wild boar controversial when the wild boar objectivly adds more to the game from an unbiased perspective.
It represents 3 continents instead of one island, is in more then 300 more zoos, actually allready has species to go along with in the game instead of being pretty much a one off and lacks nothing in uniqueness.
I really really hope that mr nz will get his kiwi and tuatara, if i was in charge of animal choice i would atleast try to sneak in a little blue penguin aswell, but i hope this example showed why all this anti europe + na talk is just so annoying to me.
Im all for discussion and critic of idears, but can we pls just get rid of this unnessecary bias and just not go "Ah another na/european animal! Are you happy now? Can we finally not have more na and europe animals? How dare they to include more na/europe animals?!" Every single time that one gets added to the game?
Its just so tiring literally having to defend every single addition to those continents and it can really kill the joy about the game.
Thanks you all for comming to my ted talk/rant, no hard feelings to any person, you are all great people with good opinions i just really needed to get this out of my system
 
Sometimes when I read that we need a break form Europe and North America it seems that we are constantly getting lots of animals from there. Focusing on habitat animals, we have received:

In 2022:
2 European animals
2 Oceanian animals
2 South American animals
3 North American animals
4 African animals
8 Asian animals

In 2021:
0 Oceanian animals
1 South American animals
5 African animals
6 European animals
7 North American animals
11 Asian animals

In 2020:
0 African animals
1 European animals
1 Asian animals
2 North American animals
5 Oceanian animals
7 South American animals

In 2019 (Arctic pack):
0 African animals
0 Oceanian animals
0 South American animals
2 European animals
2 Asian animals
4 North American animals

My point is that it is true that we need more animals from South America and Oceania, but we can't say that we are getting constantly a ton of European animals or North American animals in their place. Actually, the last two packs before twilight were heavily Asian based. It seems that the second half of each year is when we usually get animals from northern hemisphere while the first half of the year is most focused on the Southern hemisphere or southern Asia.
 
I'd like a wading/ground bird or two--maybe a white stork for Europe and a brown pelican for North America.

For mammals I'd be partial to both the American black bear and North American river otter, but those would add little to the game for non-US/Canada players and they're well-covered by mods. If you include Central America the list grows quite a bit though (spider monkey, ocelot, coati, etc.)
 
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