As I've said before they are as close to a snake as New Zealand will ever have on display, which is why I love them so much.
Europe & North America Done?
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Look at it as a choice between the NA river otter and the Asian small-clawed otter.
NA river otter is common in North American zoos, but not anywhere else.
ASCO is common in most zoos, including in North America.
Given the prolific amount of choice Frontier had when it came to adding a second otter, I think they made the right call on that one. Of course, me being me, I would still pay through the nose for a full 'Otter Pack' just to collect them all.
- NA river otter.
- Eurasian otter.
- Spot-necked otter.
- Smooth-coated otter.
- Sea otter.
I think there’s a genuine case to made made for including all of these. Not least because we don’t have any temperate otter and the sea otter is quite distinct to all the others.
As far as I'm concerned South America is only a priority in terms of monkeys. Oceania is far more pressing.
There is a lot of overlap between the Middle East and North Africa so while there are some species I want I'm not in a huge hurry (Hamadryas baboon is basically the only one I'm desperate for).
Indeed. It covers the major areas;
- Eurasian for Europe.
- NA for North America.
- Spot-necked for Africa.
- Smooth-coated for India and South Asia.
- Sea otter for the marine biomes.
- ASCO for Southeast Asia.
- Giant otter for South America.
I'd rank the continents in the following order, from lowest to highest priority.
- Antarctica: Really only needs another penguin, and we don't even need that.
- Europe: Now that we have the Red Deer, Europe's doing pretty dang good. Any other European animals I want also fall under Asian or North American animals as well, like the Wolverine and Walrus.
- Asia: Near perfect representation right now, with only a few outliers like the Takin and Lar Gibbon.
- North America: Just give me an Elk and Musk Ox and I'm golden.
- Africa: Is it the most represented continent right now? Yes. Is there still plenty of viable choices to be added? Also yes. The Secretary Bird, African Crested Porcupine, Red River Hog, Dromedary, Fossa, and Gerenuk are all animals I'd love to see.
- Oceania: I decided to drop it down a spot from last time I did this type of ranking since we have the Wombat. The Emu and Tasmanian Devil are must-haves for me, and I also really want the Red-Necked Wallaby, Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo, and North Island Brown Kiwi.
- South America: The most biodiverse continent on the planet, with plenty of great choices, like the Maned Wolf, Golden Lion Tamarin, South American Coati, Geoffroy's Spider Monkey, Spectacled Bear, and Bald Uakari.
A lot of people are just saying "Wallaby" as if that's a species - Saying that one wallaby (or worse, just the red kangaroo already in-game) covers off the need for macropods is like saying just one antelope in-game would be enough. 'Wallaby' isn't a well defined term (pretty much just means smallish macropod) but any sensible list would include about as many exisiting species of wallaby as there are antelopes. Macropods are the primary megafauna of Australia - I by no means think we need as many macropods in-game as antelopes (since antelopes are far, far more common in zoos worldwide), but IMO at least two (one large "Kangaroo" and one small "Wallaby") that inhabit each major biome would be fine... Accounting for biome cross-overs, this'd be doable with about 3-5 species (i have essentially zero expectation that five would ever be delivered though).
Its quite interesting, there are pretty much 4 groups of animals that are needed in a big bulk and variety, eventhough they are all quite similar, but all of them form a solid backbone for their continents representation.
Those would be antelopes for africa, monkeys for south america, wallabys for oceania and while not as essential this also applys for pheasents and asia.
Having one or 2 of these groups while nice just doesnt cut it, as they are common, often if not allways have multiple species held in the same zoo.
Sadly only antelopes have a good and diverse roster in the game, while 2 have one and wallabys are just absent.
Those would be antelopes for africa, monkeys for south america, wallabys for oceania and while not as essential this also applys for pheasents and asia.
Having one or 2 of these groups while nice just doesnt cut it, as they are common, often if not allways have multiple species held in the same zoo.
Sadly only antelopes have a good and diverse roster in the game, while 2 have one and wallabys are just absent.
I don't think a continent can ever be "done".
However, I think we covered all the international essentials from NA, as in those needed for zoos not in the US or Canada (locals will always need more esoteric stuff for local collections). Europe we are pretty much a wild boar away from covering the essentials.
Both of these are without accounting for the arctic curcle, which could still use the musk ox, wolverine, walrus and maybe another seal.
With that said, we do need a break from these 2 contonents and focus on the lack in hot climates, both rainforests and deserts. And of course the usually discussed gaps in south america, oceania and the middle east.
However, I think we covered all the international essentials from NA, as in those needed for zoos not in the US or Canada (locals will always need more esoteric stuff for local collections). Europe we are pretty much a wild boar away from covering the essentials.
Both of these are without accounting for the arctic curcle, which could still use the musk ox, wolverine, walrus and maybe another seal.
With that said, we do need a break from these 2 contonents and focus on the lack in hot climates, both rainforests and deserts. And of course the usually discussed gaps in south america, oceania and the middle east.
Konig, thanks to your post imma make some animal family packs for absolutely no reason:
New World Primate animal pack
New World Primate animal pack
- Geoffrey's spider monkey
- Black howler monkey
- Central American squirrel monkey
- Tufted capuchin
- Black-headed night monkey
- Bald uakari
- White-faced saki
- Golden lion tamarin (WE)
Bolivian squirrel monkey or bust!
Also, looking at the issue of what should be added from a continental perspective is kinda dumb. This way we lump the huge diverse masses that are Asia and Africa into one reductive mass each, and treat Europe, which is biogeographically just an asian peninsula, and not a biologically unique one at that, as its own special thing.
Let's look at a basic biome map from the internet:
Here we can see there are 3 regions without good represenation that are represented in zoos:
And a lot of underrepresented regions that also lack in zoo animals, like new zealand, patagoña, the andes, antarctica, the himalayas and so on.
And this is a much more effective way to examine what's lacking than going back to continental representation in every thread.
Let's look at a basic biome map from the internet:
Here we can see there are 3 regions without good represenation that are represented in zoos:
- Australia and New Guinea
- The middle east and western asia
- the amazon basin and central america
And a lot of underrepresented regions that also lack in zoo animals, like new zealand, patagoña, the andes, antarctica, the himalayas and so on.
And this is a much more effective way to examine what's lacking than going back to continental representation in every thread.
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I’ll take a whole Macropod Animal Pack at this point:
1. Long-nosed Potoroo - first potoroid
2. Brown Dorcopsis - goblin creature, wallaby for New Guinea and tropical climates
3. Yellow-footed Rock-wallaby - wallaby for semi-arid climates and mountainous environments
4. Goodfellow’s Tree Kangaroo - first tree kangaroo
5. Quokka - the meme animal, wallaby for south-western Australia
6. Bennett’s Wallaby - wallaby for Tasmania and temperate climates
7. Eastern Grey Kangaroo - kangaroo for eastern Australia + Tasmania and temperate + tropical climates
100% this. Maybe it’s just because my local zoo has a ton of them, but they’re the first animal that jumps to mind for me when I think of New World monkeys.
The Bolivian is the species kept in Australasian collections which is why I want it so badly.
African Bovid Pack
- Gerenuk.
- Giant eland.
- Addax.
- Greater kudu.
- Klipspringer.
- Bontebok.
- Dama gazelle.
New World Monkey Pack
- Red howler.
- Geoffroy's spider monkey.
- Bolivian squirrel monkey.
- White-faced saki.
- Golden lion tamarin.
- Grey-handed night monkey.
- White-eared titi monkey.
Macropod Pack
- Eastern grey kangaroo.
- Bennett's wallaby.
- Yellow-footed rock wallaby.
- Quokka.
- Goodfellow's tree kangaroo.
- White-striped dorcopsis.
- Black wallaroo.
Asian Pheasant Pack
- Himalayan monal.
- Green peafowl.
- Golden pheasant.
- Bornean peacock pheasant.
- Japanese green pheasant.
- Reeve's pheasant.
- Great argus.
That was surprisingly easy. Only the macropod pack could be considered relatively niche but even then it's a healthy mix of 'common in captivity' with a few rarities included (quokka, dorcopsis, wallaroo).
I love macropods and would like the eastern grey Kangaroo, red necked wallaby, rock wallaby, a pademelon, and of course a tree kangaroo (is that a macropod?).
I just generally say 'wallaby' because I don't think we'll get multiple, and I'd like at least one.
Aight, 2 against 1. Don't beat me up
3 against one…. Grrrr.