No - please don't cave into pressure.
Parking cameras I can accept but being able to view my ship from a fixed viewpoint external to the craft will be abused in combat.
External View [A definitive discussion]
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No - please don't cave into pressure.
Parking cameras I can accept but being able to view my ship from a fixed viewpoint external to the craft will be abused in combat.
Let's not go through this again
Maybe they've considered that, and infact external views will be so nerfed that they will be a huge disadvantage in combat?
Robert Maynard
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Let's not go through this again
Maybe they've considered that, and infact external views will be so nerfed that they will be a huge disadvantage in combat?
Indeed - Sandro's post is quite informative - it seems to go some way to satisfy the request for an external view on the one hand without over-powering it on the other. I for one will simply accept whatever Frontier offer up - it's their game, after all.
Let's not go through this again
Maybe they've considered that, and infact external views will be so nerfed that they will be a huge disadvantage in combat?
How can you nerf an external view?
And while you say "Let's not go through this again" there was 300 no's to 120 yes.
Read whole post - this has been discussed a year ago and camera drones was considered a good compromise, even more so it might be add additional gameplay regarding spying, scouting, etc. As long as it is actual drone which can be shoot down and destroyed and you have to buy new one, it is actually cool thing.
I was big proponent of camera drones and it is so awesome FD consider those ideas expressed year ago worth implementing.
Robert Maynard
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There were three questions:
1) An external view for combat: Yes: 28; No: 117 - the nays have it.
2) Where am I being attacked from: Yes: 16; No: 103 - the nays have it again.
and, most importantly:
3) A simple ship external view, non combat: Yes: 162; No: 105 - the ayes have the last.
What Frontier are proposing to introduce seems to be aimed at satisfying the third option.
external views can easily be tuned to not provide an angular view advantage.
done by restricting the view advantage or the free floating nature of what you might expect for an external view. very easy to do. it just doesn't look or feel good for a form of flight.
rainbow six vegas fps/3rd person combat did this very well by not allowing you to look over walls or around corners yet be positioned externally.
I am very happy with the proposition of external view drones.
done by restricting the view advantage or the free floating nature of what you might expect for an external view. very easy to do. it just doesn't look or feel good for a form of flight.
rainbow six vegas fps/3rd person combat did this very well by not allowing you to look over walls or around corners yet be positioned externally.
I am very happy with the proposition of external view drones.
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See the OP. eg:-
- No HUD. ie: You can't see the dozen ships approaching on your scanner. You can't lock on another ship to see their spec (eg: even if they are WANTED or not).
- A time delay entering/exiting external view so you can't quickly/easily flick between cockpit and external view.
- etc...
See the first line of first post. The Poll is broken (votes add up to more than 100%) and TBH the options are not great. If an option had been in there, "offer an external view only if it is limited such that its a disadvantage in combat", it may have got a few votes for example.
Anyway, seems FD are looking into it, so fingers crossed a usable external view comes out. I believe a few simple limitations/nerfs can deliver a usable external view that does risk introducing combat issues.
That's great news - it will let people see the paintjobs they shelled out real $ for.
Well, limitations is already there - you won't be able pilot ship while watching stream and drones can be shoot down by enemies, making them useless.
This post from Mike may be of interest, don't think it's been referenced up thread.
http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=673693&postcount=2
http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=673693&postcount=2
Surely that's conjecture? - I've not seen any (official) comments suggesting either of those behaviours?
That's a bit simplistic view given the little we know of the intentions of devs.
While I think external view probably doesn't belong in combat - I'm mainly interested in it just to take screenies without cockpit and HUD -, it might offer added gameplay depth when used in combat, as many other have suggested (drone use in repairs, spying, etc.).
Mind quoting? Even though I'm logged in, the forums complain about insufficient privileges or some such.
I'd just like to admire my ship from time to time.
For example, the first time you buy a ship, all you see is the cockpit, unless you go to the fitting screen. Even then, you only see sections of the ship - never the thing as a whole. What if I've bought a rare ship that I never see flying around, like a Moray (this game had better have Morays!!!)?
Also, what's the in-game excuse for being able to see the underslung gun port while I'm supposed to be sitting in the cockpit? eh? EH?
So, I reckon the game at least needs a rotational camera while docked, in order to fix their own plot hole. Say it's a view-filling HUD that's linked to a camera that's operated by the launchpad or something.
For example, the first time you buy a ship, all you see is the cockpit, unless you go to the fitting screen. Even then, you only see sections of the ship - never the thing as a whole. What if I've bought a rare ship that I never see flying around, like a Moray (this game had better have Morays!!!)?
Also, what's the in-game excuse for being able to see the underslung gun port while I'm supposed to be sitting in the cockpit? eh? EH?
So, I reckon the game at least needs a rotational camera while docked, in order to fix their own plot hole.
Say it's a view-filling HUD that's linked to a camera that's operated by the launchpad or something.
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ow that's a nice one.
I'm completely for it.
third person view is so arcade like.
this way its not.
drones a big yes!
Sorry, should have done that always forget which forum does what.
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