Nothing mate, some people are far too precious about this argument, it clouds their judgement and make them come across as catankerous and insulting whereas I am sure they are really nice people when not behind their keyboards.
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Nothing mate, some people are far too precious about this argument, it clouds their judgement and make them come across as catankerous and insulting whereas I am sure they are really nice people when not behind their keyboards.
Well - I backed Star Citizen after having seen a few early interviews with CR wherein he repeatedly claimed that the game was about the first Person&joystick experience.
Had there been a warning that the game will feature point and click mouse aim as well as third person view, I wouldn't have done it - that money went down the drain.
Probably I should have informed myself better prior to backing...
Had there been a warning that the game will feature point and click mouse aim as well as third person view, I wouldn't have done it - that money went down the drain.
Probably I should have informed myself better prior to backing...
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I'm not getting out of a discussion, i'm happy with your opinion that you don't want 3rd person in "your" game to ruin your "immersion", hence i said I'm happy to agree to disagree. I was commenting on the fact that its as misleading as many other advertisements, and as I said being a norm doesnt make it right.
I didnt say that.
"If wallhacks were legal, then we could all use them so it's not an advantage"?
People want to play ED in first person without being disadvantaged. As previously mentioned, a non-combat 3rd person view is fine/planned.
yes, when you are a backer on a project, you take risks. Because everything is in development... But as a backer, for me it was obvious that ED will have external view because Frontier Elite 2 and First Encounter had that (don't know about Elite 1, but maybe was not technically possible) and they evolved for the next sequels ... + the fact that you see nice external footage on the website and no information about the fact that you will not have this ...
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redundancy!
Advertising = misleading
you did notice they advertise the game with all possible stuff except the stuff that is actually in the game
they talk about "Future" features several times, they use videos which suggest a completely different gameplay
Many businesses do that but with this product it is quite normal to advertise stuff that is no where to be seen (e.g. walking on ships, planet landing, fps.. , third person stuff happening)
it all may come or not or it gets canceled like offline mode who know
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Personally, I always drive whilst parasailing behind my car. Doesn't everyone?
That's a relief, because I checked on the ED's website and I can't see any mention about the fact that the game will have external view.
You mean, like we do already through the canopies of the Sidewinder and Eagle.
I've seen some stunning shots taken that way.
The fact is that things like external views etc are considered cosmetic additions and therefore not high up on the to do list, have some patience they will come in some form eventually.
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There are a few issues with your post. The first being the OP already said he is an Alpha backer.
The argument here wasn't about whether 3rd person cameras should or shouldn't be allowed and so I don't believe the post you described was silly as it was addressing the point the OP made.
People who say the only reason for the not being a 3rd person view is for advantage in some combat situations is also not correct.
A lot of the issues you describe isn't because people are evangelising FD, it's because people come straight on demanding to know why something hasn't been included they think should be, and then when they're told within the first few posts why it hasn't, they just moan that it's in every other game so why isn't it in this one. In my opinion that is a very lame argument, one of the best things about this game is that it's not like every other.
I'm not saying that I in any way have the patience of a saint, but if others can't be bothered to do a bit of searching for their answers first and then will not accept any of the explanations given to them, it's hard not to get frustrated. Especially when people then come in and accuse you of blindly defending the game with no idea of anything about you.
You may find it completely irrelevant, but I have 40 open support tickets at the moment, why, because I want this game to be as good as it can be on release. If you and others would rather spend more time arguing about whether something should or shouldn't be in the game, when the decisions have already been made then fine, but don't moan about niggling issues once the game is released.
3rd person cameras drones are coming, just wait. I don't think the advertising needs to be changed.
I have seen some stunning player created videos using that method too.... better than FD's own material, well... in my opinion of course.
I think most of the youtube videos that appear to show "external Views" are in fact shot by some clever pilots shooting through the roof of the sidewinder and flying themselves from an offset view point.
In fact I don't think that - I know it for a fact, for at least one of the most prolific video makers.
In fact I don't think that - I know it for a fact, for at least one of the most prolific video makers.
First thing I did when I launched into space for the first time was try to find the keybinding to get to the external view so I could check out the outside of my ship in detail.
It's nothing that is game breaking in the slightest for me. But 99% of other space ship games I have played have this feature, so it was just second nature to expect the same, so I can see the OP's point...
It's nothing that is game breaking in the slightest for me. But 99% of other space ship games I have played have this feature, so it was just second nature to expect the same, so I can see the OP's point...
I'm so tired of all these wannabe-entitled haters who nit-pick every possible thing to make this game look bad...
Ozric
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Now I'm afraid that you are just putting not only words, but almost a whole sentence into my mouth. I never mentioned the word immersion, nor did I say that I did not want 3rd person cameras. The camera drones are coming and I am happy to wait for them.
However I must thank you for demonstrating my point perfectly
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They are misleading. But I don't really care enough to suggest they stop making game footage for promo purposes. They are basically cut scenes. But some people watching those videos probably think they are going to be playing battle scenes similar to that Star Wars clone wars 3D tv series. The videos do have a similar look and feel to the series. Especially the capital ship battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8B4KptyVI
Suggests a PvP Star Wars type game to those not familiar with the Elite franchise. Seems to be almost everyone here in the USA.
Clone wars series space battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlEaexF3uAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8B4KptyVI
Suggests a PvP Star Wars type game to those not familiar with the Elite franchise. Seems to be almost everyone here in the USA.
Clone wars series space battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlEaexF3uAg
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And I enjoyed your consternation after having just done exactly the same thing to me
The inverted comas used indicated the non literal, look at this thread, at least half the posts are "yeah but nah but you can take good screen shots" and/or refer to "immersion"
I may have unfairly put you in the same category, so please accept my apologies, but the point still stands to every other person who did
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