Robert Maynard
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I don't think that there are any reasonable arguments as to why the feature could not be enabled in single-player.
External View [A definitive discussion]
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I don't think that there are any reasonable arguments as to why the feature could not be enabled in single-player.
It's a concept of course, but not so bizarre to imagine that a connected swarm could be used as part of the future of self driving cars, etc. I was just joking anyway, of course nobody expects an exterior view in a car just now, but it's not SO unimaginable.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed - a lot of things are imaginable (and achievable in at least prototype phase given enough time, inclination and money!) - whether they are acceptable to be released into the hands of the general public.... 
Robert Maynard
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Please can we not spam up the thread with needless arguments.
The dev diary shows an external view. This changes nothing... We'll either get it in the end or not
NeilF,
I think a new, simpler Poll, towards the end of Beta, would yield very different results.
(yes I know you didn't set this one up
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I suspect it would yield exactly the same result. i.e. another 1000 post thread.
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IF (big IF) a external view system is considered to be put in place for this, in beta a good way to test it to make sure it is balanced would be for a week or so to make a (large) area in space with 2 teams, PVP , equally balanced, one WITH the external views/drones/what ever and 1 purely locked to cockpit view.
then the stats could be recorded, with the external view team actively trying to use it in any way they choose that the game lets them to gain an advantage.
after enough stats are collected for K/D etc FD can see if any advantage was gained or if it created game mechanics.
If no advantage was gained/or indeed it was a disadvantage then that is proof that it is fine to go into the game
if the stats show an advantage then that means it is not nerfed enough for gamma/release.
then the stats could be recorded, with the external view team actively trying to use it in any way they choose that the game lets them to gain an advantage.
after enough stats are collected for K/D etc FD can see if any advantage was gained or if it created game mechanics.
If no advantage was gained/or indeed it was a disadvantage then that is proof that it is fine to go into the game
if the stats show an advantage then that means it is not nerfed enough for gamma/release.
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I think simply feedback from devs & players would very quickly show any abuse of it? ie: Anytime it's being used in preference to the cockpit for any genuine tactical/combat advantage, then there's a potential problem?
It may well be the devs are waiting for the game to reach some beta stage so most/all of the game mechanics are in there, to determine then if an external view undermines anything.
Or may simply be, they've already deduced it does
Its called spacewalking
Which is of absolutely no use to those of us who have no interest in avatars.
Whether you are interested in avatars or not is not the problem here. Point is you can use the space walking mechanism for a free form external view. So even if there is no mechanism dedicated specifically to add external view, there are still ways to get it. It at least is something.
I have a strong feeling (which is saying nothing I know) some kind of external vanity view mechanic will be introduced eventually, because there is simply a very strong need in people to be able to have a look at their ship ( I would like it too). I guess third person flying will never be in, and that is a good thing I think, because it goes against the fundamental experience philosophy of ED.
As I have said before I think using a camera drone would do the job and it could become a very cool and versatile expandable mechanic that would prevent 'cheating' in combat. I feel it is the definitive solution that would satisfy all.
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We're going to watch this thread for a bit - if you can make it for 2-3 pages without circular argument, personal attacks and/or not contributing something relevant that hasn't already been said many times it'll be closed out.
When posts reduce to 'you're an idiot because you think different to me' then we think it's pretty fair to call the subject exhausted.
When posts reduce to 'you're an idiot because you think different to me' then we think it's pretty fair to call the subject exhausted.
^^ While I can't defend some peoples comments, I will defend this thread.
If it were to close (not be here), we'd simply end up in the position we were in before, with people coming into the topic with little/no resource to let them know where we currently stand on it. We'd end up with the same points/topics being made again in threads-a-new. It was the reason this single thread was created. ie: To try and create a single stop for discussion regarding it.
Personally I'd be annoyed given the fact I try and keep the original post upto date and relevant.
So fingers crossed people can take a step back and be polite... please
If it were to close (not be here), we'd simply end up in the position we were in before, with people coming into the topic with little/no resource to let them know where we currently stand on it. We'd end up with the same points/topics being made again in threads-a-new. It was the reason this single thread was created. ie: To try and create a single stop for discussion regarding it.
Personally I'd be annoyed given the fact I try and keep the original post upto date and relevant.
So fingers crossed people can take a step back and be polite... please
I'm not going to read all those pages, but I know the Frontier policy so far.
So.
There is already an external view available of course, while outfitting.
A simple extension of that to a 'free look' camera within the hangar - why not?
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There is already an external view available of course, while outfitting.
A simple extension of that to a 'free look' camera within the hangar - why not?
If I understand your point, you're suggesting extending the camera in the hanger for a better view of your ship while in the hanger? Well for most people wanting an external view, they want that view available when the moment calls. ie: When sight seeing or simply enjoying the moment from an alternative (better) vantage point. That's certainly my take on the feature. See the first post for examples
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It wouldn't 'not be here'. It would be closed but still searchable.
Fair enough, but if that were to happen:-
1) It's would be non-amendable, which I do (to the first post) as note-worthy information/opinions/comments arise.
2) I suspect - just as before - the topic would simply arise in new thread instead of being "contained" here.
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