Fleet Carrier FAQ
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You can sell modules to other players if you pay for the service, I don't bother myself, but you must buy the modules first from the supply shop and you can only buy certain modules in a pack. This doesn't affect personal module storage at all, that's an entirely different function, so there's storing and using your own modules, or buying and selling modules to other players, don't get the two confused.
I get this. However, FD have already made it possible for people to do exactly this, via the workaround of an on-board alt in a Type-9. So the status quo is a bit of a weird halfway house.
Which only goes to demonstrate no matter what FDEV does people will go to any extreme to find a way to get around it. However this isn't a valid argument for just removing the rules and let people do anything they want. Because people want to do things in a way that FDEV doesn't want them done isn't suddenly ok and should be allowed because people spend time and money working out how to do it anyway using a different method. Who knows where we might end up if FDEV followed that principal. In fact it may be an argument to only allow the owner of the FC to refuel and not allow random players to donate fuel to the fuel store, thus blocking this particular workaround. That would, however, be very unpopular and could lead to FC's being stranded because the actual owner can't reach it but other players might be able to, so they allow that despite the fact some FC owners use it for remote refueling.
So they could, indeed, stop players refueling remotely in this manner, but they don't because they aren't going to annoy a large number of players and come across as the bad guys.
Agreed. It's a tricky balance to strike, but yet what we have now is the rather obnoxious "pay to win" scenario...
Yes, absolutely. And permitting a commander to do something like it remotely could still be manual, not automated.
Many of us (myself included) hate pay-to-win situations within games, and right now that's what we've got. NB: I have zero problem with new ships being behind a paywall for a while, but the FC refuelling has been like this for years.
If you pay for an extra account you get to refuel your FC while your main account is a long way away? Not sure where the winning comes in yet, I am sure it will come to me eventually.
Yep not done it myself but i gather an alt sits in a ship, buys from the hold then donates, boring gameplay if you ask me and unless its galactic fleet carrier racing no advantage at all.
O7
Yep not done it myself but i gather an alt sits in a ship, buys from the hold then donates, boring gameplay if you ask me and unless its galactic fleet carrier racing no advantage at all.
Very simply, it's "pay to win" because by buying an alt you gain an FC-refuelling capability that normal players don't have. Puzzled that "how is it pay to win?" is even a question, tbh.
Disclaimer: I have done this but I don't remember ever actually using it thus far (after an initial test), and I no longer remember the password for the alt account
And wrt "what's the need?": well, personally I bought the alt because I wanted to have the safety blanket of being able to move my carrier more than a few jumps without having to schlep all the way over to it, if one day I got separated from it for whatever reason. It was a very cheap alt, so I didn't lose much sleep over it. Since then, I've gotten the hang of neutron jumping so a couple of 10s of kly no longer worry me so much.
However, if your carrier is (or you want it to be) really far away then the on-board alt could save serious amounts of time and - crucially - free you up from having to be physically there to babysit it all the way from A to B - instead you can just connect a few times per hour to cue up the next jump and continue whatever vastly more exciting gameplay you're otherwise engaged in.
Having your main commander just sitting on a carrier doing nothing for say 40 carrier jumps (probably 14 hours of elapsed time, or a lot more if the hamsters are sulking) simply because you can only fuel it for 10-ish jumps at a time...? Now that's what I'd call boring, and that's exactly the bit that the pay-to-win people can choose to skip.
I imagine that at least some of the deep-space carriers have alts on board for fuelling but perhaps I'm wrong.
Your having a giraffe, its not even close, you're not winning anything and everyone has access to refuelling via a ship whether on board or not.
Its not a race so what exactly are you winning? There is no advantage you are still having to manually fuel the tank.
Serious case of clutching at straws to try and push an agenda.
O7
As already stated, what are you winning? Once you explain that you will have a point. Right now what seems to be happening is you are paying extra money to do something I already do for free, so it seems to be play to lose!
Don't bother arguing. Literally any usage of money is pay to win. Even cosmetics: that midnight black paint job makes you harder to see, after all. The definition of "win" doesn't matter for some.
I'll say two more things on this topic and then I'll probably resume just playing the actual game for a while
Firstly, to the motivation:
Given my particular situation, the next time I use this remote-fuelling capability might be when I get around to a dedicated chunk of exploring in the deep black, within a particular neighbourhood, and want my carrier around for a guaranteed ability to repair and cash in data, plus having the whole fleet around (e.g. canyon-running on newly discovered planets?). If/when I ever do this, I am loosely planning to move my carrier over there in advance of joining it. Let's say I send it 40 kly. Spansh says that would need 82 jumps for a heavy carrier, using over 10 kt of fuel, so more than 10 on-board refuellings, and a total trip duration of 27+ hours of game play (perhaps 60+ when the servers are busy).
If I were to do that without an alt I'd need to be on the vessel every 8-ish jumps to transfer fuel. If I instead get my alt to do it, I can enjoy the game as I please until the carrier is in position, then jump to it at 10+ kly/hour (I'm still a novice neutron jumper!), so after 4 hours of in-game time I'm with my carrier and can engage in the exploration. Of course I could explore along the way instead, but doing all of my exploration in "virgin-ish" territory would feel more valuable.
It's kind of the same story on the way home. Better still, I can jump back to the Bubble double-quick (e.g. if a new event happens, like just occurred in Sol) and let the carrier follow in its own time. This frees up dozens of hours of my time for each of the outward and return trips. Not a minor motivation, in my book, and I'm likely to give it a shot and see how it works out.
Secondly, here's a question to those who think it's OK as it is:
If FD added a button next week to transfer fuel, but said you had to unlock the button for 20,000 ARX, how would you feel about it? I think most players (including me) would be appalled, and I'm sure they'd be flamed all the way to Beagle Point for it
My point is that this button is already available to anyone who buys an alt. It's not even hard or all that much faff (but admittedly it's enough initial set-up faff that I've never yet gotten around to making the process slick). I don't mind the money (I can't recall how much I paid for the alt, so it was probably less than £10); it's just odd that transferring fuel can't be done remotely but can be done with what appears to be an FD-sanctioned workaround that costs RL money. I suspect that not all players regard the cost of an alt as trivial.
OK, of course it isn't literally a single push of a button thing; it's a "don't have to babysit the carrier for tens of hours" thing.
Ill save my 20K Arx then
OK, of course it isn't literally a single push of a button thing; it's a "don't have to babysit the carrier for tens of hours" thing.
O7
Then one just have to do could-head math and calculate that it is about 16 USD ~= cost of purchase of alt account. Where is the win in that? BTW, what is win in ED[O] by itself?