A Grade 5 upgrade should cost Grade 5 materials - simple as that, it even says so in the UI for the upgrade.
Is there really any confusion on this point?
Frontier - Enough Shoulder Shrugging - Get Tough on Exploits and Exploiters.
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A Grade 5 upgrade should cost Grade 5 materials - simple as that, it even says so in the UI for the upgrade.
Is there really any confusion on this point?
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lets take skyrim. a totally single player experience. there is no competition to get to the farthest reaches of the map and get your name tagged on
there are no factions you cant try to overthrow with other people on the other side of the fence against you
and there is no direct PvP.
on the other hand.
how many cheats are there in dota 2, or we used skyrim so lets go apples with apples, and say elder scrolls online? and if any are found how do you think people using them are treated???.
For better for for worse ED is an online game with visions of being an MMO....... there is no ofline single player in ED. FD even offered refunds to those backers who wanted it who thought there was.
I dont like the money exploits in the game, i certainly dont like the exploiting like in the crack train...... but the ENG cheating takes it to a whole new level.... your post you are essentally advocating using an invincible ship to blow up other players without invincible ships... some others even went one step futher and tried to get FD to balance the game around their insane ships.
imo you sound like someone spinning their wheels trying to justify how they have cheated other players......... I hope FD fix this and i hope those who cheated pay a price. if that does not include you then fly safe cmdr... if it does, i hope you go to hell(mode)
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Apparently some have a problem grasping the obvious difference between an innocent use of an in-game bug everyone knows about that causes no serious effect on other players, and deliberately performing a series of coordinated steps in order to cause the game to glitch. Providing the user with unintended upgrades through an obvious back door exploit. An exploit that provides a HUGE and normally unobtainable advantage over the rest of the player base.
The only people in this forum who are attempting to defend this practice must be guilty of doing it themselves, or know someone who's head will soon be on the chopping block.
Either way, I would like to see both the cheaters and their apologists GONE!
Those who apologize for cheaters are just as bad as the cheaters themselves. Low moral fiber and all that.
One thing is for sure... Neither group would be missed if they all disappeared tomorrow.
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My recent thought is this:
Would the mods be any less powerful if they had been rolled legit? Is the problem really how the mods were obtained and not with the power level reached on some of the mods? The folks blown up by them have no way of telling who did what, nor does it matter for them.
Maybe instead of spending loads of effort on finding who did all of these modules, some effort could be spent balancing/tweaking engineers to tighten up the variances and the wildly double RNG aspects.
Would the mods be any less powerful if they had been rolled legit? Is the problem really how the mods were obtained and not with the power level reached on some of the mods? The folks blown up by them have no way of telling who did what, nor does it matter for them.
Maybe instead of spending loads of effort on finding who did all of these modules, some effort could be spent balancing/tweaking engineers to tighten up the variances and the wildly double RNG aspects.
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Its floating about on at least two of the facebook communities for ED that i subscribe to, Which each have thousands of members.
If its true or not i'd like confirmation.
If it's false then Fdev need to comment.
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I rest my case.
I would definitely agree!
If the penalties being described in that rumor prove to be true, then Frontier has just shot themselves in the foot. No one will ever take them seriously again about any of this C&P stuff.
Not to mention, the frequency of Combat Logging will explode as honest players simply stop caring about what anyone thinks, and focuses on protecting their in-game investments against what any intelligent player would consider "condoned cheating".
I really hope this rumor is false. If Frontier was naive enough to expect whatever penalties they chose to level would not make their way onto every ED sub-reddit on the planet, then I simply don't have the words.
We should wait until we have undeniable proof of this though. I want to give FD every chance to reveal to the entire community what their chosen punishment for such an egregious violation of the TOS and community trust actually was/is.
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Well you were asking with the biggest font you could find in bold.
Wait for some evidence, you know what folk are like with their rumours and trolling, no point in helping spread the .
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It's obviously the former, using a glitch to get around the official "cost" for a G5 is the problem. Having god G5 mods is just the consequence of it, the exploit lays in how one managed to purposely break the game to get around a game mechanic.
i lost my ship last week..... it hurt, not for the ship but for the npc who i have put 100s of hrs into levelling up.... but i took it on the chin because it was a fair cop (for the most part.. a ui bug meant what was an escapable incident became a death sentence for my npc but it would have been a close call either way.
but if i was to meet one of the poster children for all that is bad in ED, then really why should i give them the the satisfaction of blowing up when there is no chance for my ship?
if you were playing poker and had £1000 on the table. would you give up your cash if you lost the hand after you found out they had an extra ace up their sleeve.
A really good point
Im not helping anything. This rumour is out there and already taking on a life of its own.
Asking here if anything is setting the table for FD to say otherwise. We know they read this thread. Facebook....who knows.
Burying your head in the dirt wont fix anything.
I'd like to know and others do to.
There is so much hyperbolic STUPID here it's unbelievable.
Leaving aside any evaluation of the (sometimes questionable) judgement of folks who consider ANY means whereby "somebody else" can get "more stuff" in the game easier than they can an "exploit", some of them even going so far as to make arguments readily paraphrased as "they play more than I do, I need to have as many shiny things as they do to make it fair!"....
The real question is "Is player X cheating - not "exploiting" - by doing Y"
We've all got opinions on that but the only one that matters is FDs. Doesn't matter if YOU think that using mission stacking to farm credits and rep quickly in Quince is an "exploit" - FD haven't declared it a "cheat" so it isn't. It may be lame, it may be poor sportsmanship, it may be a result of a game mechanic unintended by FD that they will subsequently nerf, but that doesn;t make using it "cheating" and therefore subject to sanction.
It's like combat logging - Exiting to avoid ship destruction via the menu and the timer may be lame but it isn't cheating, whereas causing an ungraceful exit to circumvent the timer IS cheating. If they catch you they'll do something about it.
There have been credit cheats in the past where it was possible to exploit a bug and gain credits, rather than just lamely but legitimately stacking missions... FD rolled back those transactions and the cheated credits went away. On the other side of a similar approach shortly after engineered weapons were introduced a bug cause many NPCs to have multicannon rails and player ships were exploding like popcorn... Those transactions couldn;t be completely rolled back but the players impacted got the full purchase price of the ships they'd lost back. FD do do something about bugs like this.
This engineer bug is more like those credit bugs than it is like the situation at Quince. At a minimum, those who used it can expect to lose the mods they got that way. Since in order to benefit from it, it takes specific action to DELIBERATELY exploit it, it's a much more egregious cheat, and should indeed attract heavy sanctions. There's absolutely no comparison to the lame but harmless mission stackers.
Leaving aside any evaluation of the (sometimes questionable) judgement of folks who consider ANY means whereby "somebody else" can get "more stuff" in the game easier than they can an "exploit", some of them even going so far as to make arguments readily paraphrased as "they play more than I do, I need to have as many shiny things as they do to make it fair!"....
The real question is "Is player X cheating - not "exploiting" - by doing Y"
We've all got opinions on that but the only one that matters is FDs. Doesn't matter if YOU think that using mission stacking to farm credits and rep quickly in Quince is an "exploit" - FD haven't declared it a "cheat" so it isn't. It may be lame, it may be poor sportsmanship, it may be a result of a game mechanic unintended by FD that they will subsequently nerf, but that doesn;t make using it "cheating" and therefore subject to sanction.
It's like combat logging - Exiting to avoid ship destruction via the menu and the timer may be lame but it isn't cheating, whereas causing an ungraceful exit to circumvent the timer IS cheating. If they catch you they'll do something about it.
There have been credit cheats in the past where it was possible to exploit a bug and gain credits, rather than just lamely but legitimately stacking missions... FD rolled back those transactions and the cheated credits went away. On the other side of a similar approach shortly after engineered weapons were introduced a bug cause many NPCs to have multicannon rails and player ships were exploding like popcorn... Those transactions couldn;t be completely rolled back but the players impacted got the full purchase price of the ships they'd lost back. FD do do something about bugs like this.
This engineer bug is more like those credit bugs than it is like the situation at Quince. At a minimum, those who used it can expect to lose the mods they got that way. Since in order to benefit from it, it takes specific action to DELIBERATELY exploit it, it's a much more egregious cheat, and should indeed attract heavy sanctions. There's absolutely no comparison to the lame but harmless mission stackers.
i posted this in a different thread. its probably a better fit here, however
Given we do not know if FD can really detect all cheaters....
but at the same time there is a chance they CAN detect all cheaters...
I reckon FD should offer an amnesty.... and link it on the game launcher
Any player who posts their CMDR to FD from their registered email get all their ENG mods taken from them.. .all of them
this CMDR name is then appended to a named and shamed post on this forum as a modern day stocks
but no further action is taken.
IF they do not respond to this amnesty and they are caught... then not only does the above happen but more too.... possibly not least putting them at -5 on the engineer ranks, having all ENG inventory confiscated and anything else they wish to add.
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Given we do not know if FD can really detect all cheaters....
but at the same time there is a chance they CAN detect all cheaters...
I reckon FD should offer an amnesty.... and link it on the game launcher
Any player who posts their CMDR to FD from their registered email get all their ENG mods taken from them.. .all of them
this CMDR name is then appended to a named and shamed post on this forum as a modern day stocks
but no further action is taken.
IF they do not respond to this amnesty and they are caught... then not only does the above happen but more too.... possibly not least putting them at -5 on the engineer ranks, having all ENG inventory confiscated and anything else they wish to add.
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this CMDR name is then appended to a named and shamed post on this forum as a modern day stocks
But what about bonds and futures trading?
They cheat on a macro level that hurts us all.
FD should publish a Death Row List. Texas even used to post what the condemned had for their last meal.
One group down , now make the same thing about people abusing/exploiting the mission board on quince taking more than 3 missions of the same type.
Now that we're at it, let's ban everyone who abused the robigo rep glitch. Oh, let's also ban everyone who did the quince "scan a single data point/beacon to complete all missions". Oh, ban people who run premium ammo with the plasma slug mod. Oh, don't forget to ban people who suicide to wash away a bounty, ban people who used premium ammo when it was infinite. May aswell ban people who used relogging and used ammo-based weapons during the unlimited ammo era. Oh, remember when powerplay NPCs were static and you could farm merits automatically by installing turrets and going AFK for an hour? Ban these people aswell. Oh, bugged heat weapons - ban too. Remember skimmer dumbfiring & relogging? Also ban. Don't forget to ban all the combat loggers too. You get where I'm heading with this?
Or maybe, just maybe, stop with the rubbish grind requirements and trashy RNG. No, it does not add immersion. It doesn't add gameplay either.
Or maybe, just maybe, stop with the rubbish grind requirements and trashy RNG. No, it does not add immersion. It doesn't add gameplay either.
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