I have mixed feelings about this. Here's the funny thing - most combat loggers have been Elite Cutters. So when they do this, I go into system chat and brag how I, a shieldless Dolphin, forced an Elite Cutter to combat log. It's so hilarious that it compensates for the aggravation of being clogged on.
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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And you don't know how it's tracked. If it tracked by the actual taking damage, then your simple method won't work, as 0 damage deal no damage.
Especially for collision I don't think you can do that either, because your ship still run into something. You take damage because you collide, not because you impact a ship.
A word of advice from someone who was on the receiving end of this. First, approach with gunports closed (remember the Minbariin Incident). Second, send multiple messages, especially in places like Borann where chat is a waterfall of text. I was dusted by a pirate who approached me in a Mamba, gunports open, and I did not see his demand for diamonds until AFTER he blew me to bits. My first assumption was GRIEFER, so I ran. Had he been a rectangle instead of a triangle, I would have opened comms with him myself to determine his intentions.
If your playing as a pirate that seems completely resonable and fair to me (no i am not being a sarcastic old git, well not this time anyway).
You could get by fine with just Farseer (as a lot of explorers do for the jumprange) if your only intent was survival not fighting back. The real engineer grind is for the complete suite of G5 modules & weaponry, but I take your point on 'surrendering to others' gameplay' applying both ways, to some extent.
Btw, if you mean you come to a full-stop after interdiction, id be wary of doing that. It might be mistaken for menu-logging and make being attacked more likely. Perhaps drift lazily to the left, or make like a curious porpoise, i dunno
Wha?? Ive said before that a PvP toggle would be abused horribly by some BGS salty types. But I said nothing on that topic in the post you linked?
Were Frontier a more conscientious steward of Elite's lore, I might actually get behind this.
Sadly, things like telepresence and Arx tell a different story. And that's when they were bothering with fleshing out the universe.
BTW, piracy seems to have gotten a "bad rap" as belonging only to role-players, yet I find piracy way more fun and rewarding from a gameplay perspective than I do just blowing up harmless Type-6s. It takes more skill to disable* a ship's thrusters than it does to blow up a ship outright, for example. It also takes more skill to find and sneak up on a ship in normal space (mining hotspots) than to pull ships out of supercruise at the sun. And unlike "blow people up for no reason" griefing, piracy actually PAYS. I've made millions of credits in a gaming session, and just one LTD covers my rebuy, because the best pirate ships are not the big expensive warships, but smaller modest ships like the Cobra.
In other words, ganking is for children, piracy is for adults
* I also find this more rewarding. Watching a Type-9 tumbling helplessly in an asteroid field (he fired on me first) is a sight to behold, much more than another exploding [insert noob ship].
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but your missing one more option that open players don’t have. The person who doesn’t want to pvp can eliminate the possibility of a pvper with a mode switch. That cannot be done for the open only player to eliminate the undesired interaction.
point:solo/pg already has the advantage. No additional advantages or modes needed.
If you don’t want to die to pvp, one option is indeed to git gud and get a better ship, or as you’re phrasing it “play the game their way” and your also right in saying that if open players don’t want to lose bgs/pp stuff to solo players they can indeed play the game their way.
but your missing one more option that open players don’t have. The person who doesn’t want to pvp can eliminate the possibility of a pvper with a mode switch. That cannot be done for the open only player to eliminate the undesired interaction.
point:solo/pg already has the advantage. No additional advantages or modes needed.
Your picking skills are impressive. In same short fragment of my post u quoted, i said that noone is touching your dangerous pvp open. So noone is removing anything from open. Its ADDING extra mode.
Good for you. But looking on number of player in mobius others would play it differently. And they can. Justmore advertisement for newbs, thats all what pve open would be.
You are right, I am sorry. Idk why I adressed it to You.
Yeah sorry I didn't mean role play, i have never quite understood that. I get head cannon, but "aarrrr, I'm a pirate" isn't for me. I meant playing as a pirate as a valid and fun play style (and way to make credits). To me pirates add a bit more richness to the game (griefers less so, but I accept griefing as part of the game too).BTW, piracy seems to have gotten a "bad rap" as belonging only to role-players, yet I find piracy way more fun and rewarding from a gameplay perspective than I do just blowing up harmless Type-6s. It takes more skill to disable* a ship's thrusters than it does to blow up a ship outright, for example. It also takes more skill to find and sneak up on a ship in normal space (mining hotspots) than to pull ships out of supercruise at the sun. And unlike "blow people up for no reason" griefing, piracy actually PAYS. I've made millions of credits in a gaming session, and just one LTD covers my rebuy, because the best pirate ships are not the big expensive warships, but smaller modest ships like the Cobra.
In other words, ganking is for children, piracy is for adults
* I also find this more rewarding. Watching a Type-9 tumbling helplessly in an asteroid field (he fired on me first) is a sight to behold, much more than another exploding [insert noob ship].
I read a lot of your posts about pirating and you have actually made me want to give it a go.
The same exact action is available. Don't engage in BGS and the Open Only player doesn't have an issue.
This woe is us Open players moaning is nibbling my nipples a bit. "yeah, it's the same, but we are so disadvantaged". If I go in Open, I am subjected to PvP. If you play the BGS, you are subjected to other modes.
Your decision.
I wasn't always a pirate. I used to be a law-abiding citizen. If anything, I was the guy who wanted to bring pirates to justice! But PvP bounty hunting is all but nonexistent in this game. Having grown bored with PvE in ED, PvP is all I have left, and piracy is the only PvP that offers me both a challenge and reward. If Frontier were to bring back Interstellar Initiatives, I would park my pirate ship and embrace and enjoy the PvE side of the game once again, assuming the II had a good story and some engaging gameplay.I read a lot of your posts about pirating and you have actually made me want to give it a go.
BTW, this is one of the things that "prove" griefers play to grief, period. Even when we had compelling IIs, the well-known griefers used these to do what they ALWAYS do - grief. Heck, one II actually had a PvP component, to pick a side in combat zones where PvP was encouraged. Yet what did they do? They pulled players (many of them easy-target traders) out of supercruise and destroy them outright, like they always do. Griefers are not bored, griefers are BORING.
Oh so you’re saying an entire facet of the games core function should just be ignored because you don’t want to acknowledge the holes in your argument. Got it
I wouldn't open fire until someone try to run. If they don't seem to see my message, I would position myself Infront of your ship and message again.
If they're obviously ignoring me after repeated messages and my aggressive position I would proceed with more aggression, such as ramming or open fire.
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So true. Tastes of players who want open pve truly surprise me, after all the shortcuts players have to avoid any kind of setback. Meanwhile I find myself trying to handicap myself to try to carve some fun out.
My weapons of choice are focused on disabling rather than destroying. Speaking of, has Frontier ever fixed the Scrambled Spectrum effect on pulse and burst lasers? These used to be perfect for disabling a ship (enough hits and either FSD or thrusters will go offline), but they stopped working on NPCs some time back. I've not tried my SS burst on players since it went buggy with NPCs, and I miss it! I don't know if the SE is bugged or NPCs are bugged. Maybe someday I'll meet someone in open and test it out.
I've had my ships thrusters and/or powerplant suffer malfunctions in PvP/piracy situations, so I believe they do.
I use different ships and weapons depending on what I want to do. If I want to intimidate into compliance I will use something like Pacifiers or PA, aiming to scare a runner into compliance before they can escape. If I want to be able to disable and force cargo from a runner I will use Cyto and rails/packhounds/dumbfires/cannons depending on mood.
Well said.