Hacker forum and what I learned

[babelfisch]

Because I have access to the discord and no one has eaten bans which is usually the sign. They flag pieces that are likely to be detected and the rest are considered "currently undetected".

The same was true for the other hack. Untill FDEV found a way to detect it. Why do you believe it will be different this time?

That's actually how it has always been with cheating in every multiplayer game. Someone creates a hack, it works for a few months. Methods are found to detect it, players get banned for using it. Someone creates a new hack, and so on. The current situation is perfectly normal.

PS
Your thread is full of deliberate lies and misinformation by the way and it's quite interesting that nobody tried to correct them. I guess it's ok as long as it suits the agenda?

 

[Maolagin]

Because I have access to the discord and no one has eaten bans which is usually the sign. They flag pieces that are likely to be detected and the rest are considered "currently undetected".

At least no one is copping to bans yet. If the discord you got into is run by who I think it is, the guy has a very high opinion of himself and I wouldn't put it past him to kick people who get banned for "compromising security" or some such. Because he himself has perfect knowledge of FDev's anti-cheat measures, naturally.

do any of them have anything to allow someone to do something with interdictions?

Shouldn't be possible just with superior piloting, but not necessarily a cheat. Could be a bug, a lag thing, or even just you got caught off guard and it seemed more sudden than it was. But as others have said, the corrosive thing is that you can't rule out the possibility that it was a cheater.

 

[ryan_m]

At least no one is copping to bans yet. If the discord you got into is run by who I think it is, the guy has a very high opinion of himself and I wouldn't put it past him to kick people who get banned for "compromising security" or some such. Because he himself has perfect knowledge of FDev's anti-cheat measures, naturally.

That could be the case, but since we've been in there, no new parts of the hack have made it to the "don't use or risk a ban" section.

 

[Krash]

I wonder if they charge for the trainers.

Spoiler: payment terms

 

[Maolagin]

That could be the case, but since we've been in there, no new parts of the hack have made it to the "don't use or risk a ban" section.

Fair enough, but maybe not surprising. Again, the hacker whose public posts I tracked may not be your guy. But the person I followed, has a clear theory about E: D's anti-cheat measures. Their rubrik is that there are two types of measure - in-client code intended to detect debuggers or memory tampering, and server-side checks. They believe they have defeated all of the former, and that no new checks are being added to the latter. This could even be correct! But the upshot is that all cheats that affect data that gets sent to the servers are preemptively going to be marked unsafe, and if they're right about what gets sent then that would be a stable set.

Spoiler: payment terms

Lol. Really though, they probably have a patreon or similar. Would be pretty funny if FDev moved to seize it.

 

[ryan_m]

Fair enough, but maybe not surprising. Again, the hacker whose public posts I tracked may not be your guy. But the person I followed, has a clear theory about E: D's anti-cheat measures. Their rubrik is that there are two types of measure - in-client code intended to detect debuggers or memory tampering, and server-side checks. They believe they have defeated all of the former, and that no new checks are being added to the latter. This could even be correct! But the upshot is that all cheats that affect data that gets sent to the servers are preemptively going to be marked unsafe, and if they're right about what gets sent then that would be a stable set.

I think it's possible that FDev just aren't super concerned with cheats in general. Most players play it as a single player game so the impacts are minimal for a portion of the playerbase. Problem is, it's NOT a single player game even if you play in solo, so the impacts still exist and anyone not playing in solo can feel them directly if they encounter another player.

I get that FDev prioritize what's important to them but this stuff is literally game breaking to many players.

 

[babelfisch]

I think it's possible that FDev just aren't super concerned with cheats in general. Most players play it as a single player game so the impacts are minimal for a portion of the playerbase. Problem is, it's NOT a single player game even if you play in solo, so the impacts still exist and anyone not playing in solo can feel them directly if they encounter another player.

I get that FDev prioritize what's important to them but this stuff is literally game breaking to many players.

So why did they add specific cheat detection for the last popular hack?

 

[ryan_m]

So why did they add specific cheat detection for the last popular hack?

Because one is publicly available right now, the other requires you to be let in.

 

[Northpin]

And since you have someone in, did you sent the hack to FDev?

 

[ryan_m]

And since you have someone in, did you sent the hack to FDev?

...yeah, along with a full export of the discord.

 

[babelfisch]

Because one is publicly available right now, the other requires you to be let in.

If it's as widely used as people claim, they certainly have a copy of the hack themselves.

 

[babelfisch]

...yeah, along with a full export of the discord.

So your comment above was pointless.

 

[ryan_m]

So your comment above was pointless.

lol ok dude.

 

[Maolagin]

So why did they add specific cheat detection for the last popular hack?

I sort of doubt they did. If anything, they added new methods to detect memory tampering, and then made sure it caught the cheat app that's publicly available.

 

[babelfisch]

I sort of doubt they did. If anything, they added new methods to detect memory tampering, and then made sure it caught the cheat app that's publicly available.

That's how cheat detection works.

 

[babelfisch]

lol ok dude.

You said they won't do anything against it.
I asked why.
You said because they don't have access to the hack.
Someone asked why you don't send it to them.
You said you did.

That's a completely pointless discussion.

 

[ryan_m]

You said they won't do anything against it.
I asked why.
You said because they don't have access to the hack.
Someone asked why you don't send it to them.
You said you did.

That's a completely pointless discussion.

That is not what I said. I said they won't do anything against it possibly because they don't think it's a big enough issue given that one is publicly available (detectable) and the other has to have hoops jumped through in order to obtain it.

You should re-read things before posting.

 

[c00ky1970]

You should re-read things before posting.

I think doing that breaks the fundamental laws of Forums? ;-)

 

[Schmack]

The same was true for the other hack. Untill FDEV found a way to detect it. Why do you believe it will be different this time?

That's actually how it has always been with cheating in every multiplayer game. Someone creates a hack, it works for a few months. Methods are found to detect it, players get banned for using it. Someone creates a new hack, and so on. The current situation is perfectly normal.

PS
Your thread is full of deliberate lies and misinformation by the way and it's quite interesting that nobody tried to correct them. I guess it's ok as long as it suits the agenda?

The other hack went dormant because of the code, not because it was detected. They only detected long jumps and overt Open god-like behavior, and infinite fuel, from what I've read. When Horizons was released, money making was easy enough, no coders were interested in doing anything openly and some felt they were already being infiltrated by FDev so they went dark (ooooh sounds dramatic, Schmack... please tell me more). They've been doing this for a long time, and only recently either A) allowed someone else to control their gate keeping or B) people who have been doing it are getting nailed and so they want to turn double agent to profess innocence "no we were only there to spy on them".

Whatever narrative is more entertaining, go with that one.

 

[Maolagin]

That's how cheat detection works.

To clarify, my point was that I suspect that FDev didn't set out specifically to block a particular cheat app - my guess was that it's more likely they add new cheat detection periodically and at most checked that the latest round caught the most widespread app.

The other hack went dormant because of the code, not because it was detected. They only detected long jumps and overt Open god-like behavior, and infinite fuel, from what I've read.

This conversation in a bit awkward because we're all avoiding linking to sources we found, so I can't really dispute this other than to say it's inconsistent with what I've seen so far. Users of these hacks are complaining about getting punishments even when they (think) they are not using these known-detectable features. As others have reported, a common thread is that what gets noticed or punished is not predictable.

When Horizons was released, money making was easy enough, no coders were interested in doing anything openly and some felt they were already being infiltrated by FDev so they went dark

Again, this is inconsistent with what I've seen. The biggest recent change seems to be that the original cheat apps all targeted the 32-bit client. When that was discontinued in favor of 64-bit only, all the existing cheats broke and had to be remade from scratch. I get the impression that took at least several months, so this is coming to prominence now in part because cheat apps that work with the current client only recently matured and gained significant followings.