But where’s the fun in that?
Actually the first failure is not being in Solo
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It’s only a failure if you don’t enjoy that kind of thing.
How do you feel about ganckers?
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But where’s the fun in that?
It’s only a failure if you don’t enjoy that kind of thing.
But where’s the fun in that?
Well... for me is managing to get the exact timing right so the SCA drops me under 3km from the station AFTER getting out of supercruise through the station internals (preferably when being aligned so i come from behind the station so i get dropped off somewhere in front of the mailslot)
Basically what some NPC pirates seem to be able to do when they drop off in front of my ship when i'm like 2-3km from the station - some of them close enough to graze them and get me a fine for reckless flying
A ganker is not always a ganker. It depends on the context and the game. There are no gankers in Foxhole, because it is 100% PvP. There are only cunning players who use their knowledge to disrupt enemy logistics.
Folks enjoy being ganked?
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In small doses, yes. It provides a different, though not necessarily more difficult, challenge to NPC opposition. Tactics that would never work on NPCs can be employed against them, and that helps to keep things interesting.
Well... once I've said that I just play in Open because I never know what it is going to happen every time I wake.
Precisely.
After the last Buckyball Race, I finally decided to get my racing Hauler, Haulier Than Thou, fully engineered. It was mostly legacy modules, so as always I decided to get fresh ones and Engineer from there. Which necessitates visiting an appropriate Engineer of the right type for experimental upgrades. The last modules on my list required either visiting two separate engineers, or Farseerer in Deciat. It was getting late, and I wanted to finish it. So I chose Deciat.
There was one seal clubber lurking near the star, but they took so long to react I was halfway there before I finally saw them rise out of the ecliptic. There was another probable GIFTed player lurking near the gas giant, but I’m fairly sure my high speed approach left them flat footed. Either that, or they went after the two other players who were taking the slow path.
I finally I dropped into Farseer base, and there was yet another combat ship lurking there. I couldn’t remember if there were multiple small pads, so I decided on a Buckyball landing, hoping that the unexpected speed of an enhanced Hauler would catch them off guard. Sadly, they were lined up to shoot the pad, but I think I would’ve survived the shot if not for the lithobraking attempt.
Either way, I was at the base, so I added the experimental effects I wanted, and logged out.
It was a lot of fun, but I’m glad I don’t have to run that gauntlet everyday.
woah man how are you?
Have you tried the gauntlet in a buggy?
It might help if you define what you mean by “buggy.” I suspect that what I’m picturing is quite different, given that I’ve frequently compare the Hauler to a jeep when kitted out for exploration…
I mean the SRV.
The game, maybe?
See! Totally different. I was wondering if you meant the spaceship equivalent of a “horse and buggy” when my first thought was of a dune buggy. The Scarab SRV never even crossed my mind.
Also kind of pointless, given that simply getting an SRV into orbit requires some very specific conditions, and the simulation breaks down if you take an SRV too far from the surface of a world.
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All that I have to say to this long post: C&P to govern player vs. player behavior and content play has always been a failed system when implemented. You can retrace past games that have tried and failed. You have to properly identify that player vs. player is not "criminal" activity but exclusively "player vs. player" activity that wants to wear some "criminal" badge to distinguish themselves. You can also go through the histories from past MMOs and currently active MMOs and learn how player vs. player activities have a toxic impact on the overall game without a consensual framework to house and host player vs. player activities. This consensual framework is NOT the same as developing some C&P system to punish criminal activities under the misrepresentation that player vs. player activity is criminal: it is not.
This post INARA describes the headache that no one wants to deal with in Elite. You have to be a "special" person to find this type of preperation and engagement normal while trying to playing while some random third person goal in game is to crash your fun.
From the post:
"...You need shields that bounce back faster than they deplete under fire. This is possible because fast-charging bi-weaves charge even faster in supercruise, and you can optimize for resistances rather than raw shield strength. And then all you need to do is low wake as fast as possible and stay in supercruise between pulls as long as possible. There are multiple ways to achieve that, and none of them requires leaving the system. For example, you can drop out of supercruise yourself, before they pull you again. You can wait in your instance with a fully charged FSD, ready to low-wake the moment they drop in. You can turn and low wake in the opposite direction, so they have to waste time in supercruise to get behind you for the next pull. And that's only when you actually deal with multiple gankers determined to get you. Lonely gankers you can even prevent from pulling you in the first place because your dashboard shows in which direction they fly."
"A tip for setting up controls: Use the 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100 percent throttle shortcut keys to control your ship's speed. These also come in handy when gankers are hanging out in front of stations. Take your time in supercruise to align your ship with the station's mail slot, so that you have it right in front of you when you drop into the instance. Boost towards the station, request docking permission as soon as you're in 7.5 km range. To slow down, don't use your analog throttle controls but hit the 0% throttle key and then quickly tap flight assist off and on just when your speed drops below 100 m/s. With a bit of practice, you'll be able to hit the 100 m/s mark just when you pass through the slot. Your goal is to keep your approach to the station as quick and short as possible to reduce the risk of getting rammed."
The majority of Elite players would find this way too annoying and unwanted when trying to complete a Mission or drop their cargo to earn credits. This is why most, if not the vast majority, of players do not play in the Open server. Who wants this when one idiot in a ship can derail and ruin your game enjoyment or steal your game time of enjoyment over their own "personal" want to attack other non-consensual players? No one.
This is the exact problem Frontier is having and until they get some type of consensual framework to govern player vs. player activities then Elite will be "doomed to fail" or the Open server will remain a "ghost" server wasting business $$ for the small population of usage. The player vs. players will be shooting themselves in the foot over their own "ganking" want to play out this non-consensual "criminal" conduct that is very popular behavior on many MMOs. They have an entire NPC cast to role play out or personafy their "criminal" image without crashing other players fun with non-consensual attacks.
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Here's one thing i've noticed.
On forums and in game, gankers tend to be about as articulate and erudite as a blob of snot.
But then, i've caught a few streams/chats where they talk about their playstyle and they actually come across as decent people. They articulate their position well, and i even can find myself nodding to some of the points they make. They even seem like people i could sit down with in a pub, have some drinks with, have a laugh, listen to their stories about their ganks and have smile, and maybe they will even listen to my stories of my own PvE mishaps. And all will be good with the world.
Its like there are two different people with gankers. The "written form" ganker (in-game, forums), who behaves like a monkey with a handful of poo, who just isn't sure where to smear it all, and the "real life" ganker, who is just a normal person, who just likes to be combative in games, but probably is a decent person in real life.
I'd like to think this applies to all of them, except....
Once i was invited into a ganker chat group, and upon entering was greeted with literal nazi imagery. That was very disturbing. I won't name the group, but they used to be very prominent in the ED community many years ago. Disturbing to say the least.
But there's always some bad eggs in every community.
I blame TJ, of course.
On forums and in game, gankers tend to be about as articulate and erudite as a blob of snot.
But then, i've caught a few streams/chats where they talk about their playstyle and they actually come across as decent people. They articulate their position well, and i even can find myself nodding to some of the points they make. They even seem like people i could sit down with in a pub, have some drinks with, have a laugh, listen to their stories about their ganks and have smile, and maybe they will even listen to my stories of my own PvE mishaps. And all will be good with the world.
Its like there are two different people with gankers. The "written form" ganker (in-game, forums), who behaves like a monkey with a handful of poo, who just isn't sure where to smear it all, and the "real life" ganker, who is just a normal person, who just likes to be combative in games, but probably is a decent person in real life.
I'd like to think this applies to all of them, except....
Once i was invited into a ganker chat group, and upon entering was greeted with literal nazi imagery. That was very disturbing. I won't name the group, but they used to be very prominent in the ED community many years ago. Disturbing to say the least.
But there's always some bad eggs in every community.
I blame TJ, of course.
pvp is a choice players make amongst themselves why bring it in to players who want to stick to the lore of the game, all i can say if in open making a delivery to a cg and you are trucking 500t dont be afraid of hitting the anti -ganker button why lose youre hard work for some clown who wants to destroy you.
Good post.
Its why, decades ago, game companies realized PvP and PvE rarely mix, with many simply saying, hey, let's make the servers separate, and not allow PvP on the PvE servers. And generally, it works.
Some games lean into the PvP, like Rust or EvE, and they become popular, but its not your usual PvE player who will even bother playing EvE, because they know what sort of game its going to be.
Games like Ark has servers that are full PvP to full PvE and everything in-between, so players can choose the type of server they want, or set up their own, with their own rules.
Ultimately, its up to the devs to decide what sort of game they want to produce and lean into it in order to satisfy their target demographic, or, like Ark, say here are the tools, make your own server, and attract the players you want to see.
EvE is unashamedly PvP, and it flourishes for it. Other games are PvE only, and some of those flourish as well. And some games try and straddle the fence, and then it ends up being an online war between the PvPers who want the game to become more PvP focused and expect the PvEers to behave like PvPers and PvEers who want the game to become more PvE focused and expect the PvPers to become more PvE focused... and the devs can't please both sides.
Modes somewhat solves this problem, but leaves open, the default mode, as a PvP mode, in what is predominantly a PvE game. The galaxy is huge, the playerbase is not that big, and even in open, outside specific events and locations, you'll be unlikely to encounter PvP. So its no surprise that PvEers feel like Open should be theirs and PvPers also feel the same. And so, FD should focus on making them happy, whichever side they are on.
Ok, I ramble, but ultimately, its up to the devs to decide what sort of game they are making and which demographic they want to appeal to. But the only want to appeal to both the PvP and PvE crowds is to separate them, and if necessary, even create different builds/game environments for them, without messing with the other.
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