How to stop Combat Logging and make the game more FUN for all in open play.

[raeat]

This whole thread is downright gut-busting hilarious.

Players complain about PvPers.

PvPers accuse them of whining.

Players that don't waste time whining about it go to solo mode as a way of avoiding PvPers.

PvPers then whine about solo mode.

Players in open start combat logging to avoid the damage PvPers can cause to them.

PvPers then whine incessantly about combat logging.

Why don't you play with each other, fer crying out loud? Isn't that what CQC is supposed to be about? Are you only happy when there are people you can automatically win against are your victims? Go on. Tak a risk that your illustrious self might lose. Screw up your PvP courage and fight each other. Other players will be perfectly unconcerned by that, I assure you.

 

[GluttonyFang]

This whole thread is downright gut-busting hilarious.

Players complain about PvPers.

PvPers accuse them of whining.

Players that don't waste time whining about it go to solo mode as a way of avoiding PvPers.

PvPers then whine about solo mode.

Players in open start combat logging to avoid the damage PvPers can cause to them.

PvPers then whine incessantly about combat logging.

Why don't you play with each other, fer crying out loud? Isn't that what CQC is supposed to be about? Are you only happy when there are people you can automatically win against are your victims? Go on. Tak a risk that your illustrious self might lose. Screw up your PvP courage and fight each other. Other players will be perfectly unconcerned by that, I assure you.

CQC piracy mode where?

Aimbot CQC mode = Skill (That's a funny one)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...hment-Proposals-for-CQC?p=4361733#post4361733

 

[LoneKharnivore]

This whole thread is downright gut-busting hilarious.

Players complain about PvPers.

PvPers accuse them of whining.

Players that don't waste time whining about it go to solo mode as a way of avoiding PvPers.

PvPers then whine about solo mode.

Players in open start combat logging to avoid the damage PvPers can cause to them.

PvPers then whine incessantly about combat logging.

Why don't you play with each other, fer crying out loud? Isn't that what CQC is supposed to be about? Are you only happy when there are people you can automatically win against are your victims? Go on. Tak a risk that your illustrious self might lose. Screw up your PvP courage and fight each other. Other players will be perfectly unconcerned by that, I assure you.

So your solution is to complain about PvPers.

You're right, that is hilarious.

 

[S'Rau]

No, he is right, it is hillarious, just a matter of perspective.
I love PVPers tears and among them i prefer griefer's .. humm yummy tastefull.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Wasn't it you who posted a link to your own suggestions for changes just a few posts before? I didn't know you were on the dev team.

Yea, but at no point do I say "the devs' intent are just wrong."

Edit:

If anything my proposals cater very much to the devs visions no matter what they are.

I have a feeling you didn't read them, and if you didn't, I prefer you keep your uninformed opinions regarding it to yourself.

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No, he is right, it is hillarious, just a matter of perspective.
I love PVPers tears and among them i prefer griefer's .. humm yummy tastefull.

And people wonder why forums are cesspools

 

[Mercy Killing]

CQC piracy mode where?

Aimbot CQC mode = Skill (That's a funny one)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...hment-Proposals-for-CQC?p=4361733#post4361733

Oh come on now, you're smart enough to know that CQC isn't about piracy, it's about combat against other players...and that's what the PvP crowd wants, isn't it? Combat against other players? I fail to see the problem here. A solution has been put forth, it's just not the solution those wishing to fight other people want.


Oh, and truth be told...aimbot mode isn't JUST CQC. It can happen in open just as well.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And people wonder why forums are cesspools

Lets not forget who introduced that concept.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Oh come on now, you're smart enough to know that CQC isn't about piracy, it's about combat against other players...and that's what the PvP crowd wants, isn't it? Combat against other players? I fail to see the problem here. A solution has been put forth, it's just not the solution those wishing to fight other people want.

Wait wait, piracy isn't PvP? Since when?

Oh, and truth be told...aimbot mode isn't JUST CQC. It can happen in open just as well.

At least you can do something about it with semi-perma chaff.

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Lets not forget who introduced that concept.

The people that can't debate subjects but drag ad hominem/unnecessary derogatory terms into the mix pretending that it is an actual argument, then falls back on "it's my opinion and I have the right to voice it however I want."

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The people that can't debate subjects but drag ad hominem/unnecessary derogatory terms into the mix pretending that it is an actual argument, then falls back on "it's my opinion and I have the right to voice it however I want."

Right. Playing coy. How usual of you

The quote again you reacted to: :"I love PVPers tears and among them i prefer griefer's .. humm yummy tastefull.".

 

[GluttonyFang]

Right. Playing coy. How usual of you

The quote again you reacted to: :"I love PVPers tears and among them i prefer griefer's .. humm yummy tastefull.".

I react to the likes of those demeaning to PvE and PvP equally, so I don't know what you're on about .-.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I react to the likes of those demeaning to PvE and PvP equally, so I don't know what you're on about .-.

Sure you don't.

Look! An eagle!

 

[Asp Explorer]

Sure you don't.

Look! An eagle!

The eagles are coming!

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Yea, but at no point do I say "the devs' intent are just wrong."

Edit:

If anything my proposals cater very much to the devs visions no matter what they are.

I have a feeling you didn't read them, and if you didn't, I prefer you keep your uninformed opinions regarding it to yourself.

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And people wonder why forums are cesspools

I did openly address to be missing a tl;dr back then iirc just to annoy you, I believe. I did cross read it, but what does it matter: I take a consumerist approach to Elite. My simple solution would be to have pve and pvp open separately, but I do realise that this might not be in the scope of the game, the budget, the manpower or whatever. ED's fundamental design is what it is and it's a moot point to offer simple solutions to a complex matter. It's not my job either - actually I'm glad someone else does it. I'm sorry my uninformity rustles your jimmies, but I'm quite confident there are more opinions to be rustled about around here.

 

[JetsonRING]

Maybe they just do not want their basically helpless level 3 ship burned down by a terminator level 15 ship.

 

[S'Rau]

The people that can't debate subjects but drag ad hominem/unnecessary derogatory terms into the mix pretending that it is an actual argument, then falls back on "it's my opinion and I have the right to voice it however I want."

Wait, where in this post did i bring any argument ? Or said i would ? I stated my tastes ! It is not even an opinion [squeeeee]

 

[truecut]

Can someone check my logic regarding this notion of 'consensual' PvP?

In Open, there is a chance of encountering other players. This is by dev intent.

In Open, other players can attack you. This is by dev intent.

Therefore, choosing to be in Open *means* accepting the possibility that other players might attack you.

Yes? No?

In Open, you can combat log. This is by dev intent.

 

[LoneKharnivore]

In Open, you can combat log. This is by dev intent.

Devs on combat logging:

First things first: we do consider this an undesirable exploit. It’s not “part of the game”.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-“Combat-Logging”-Update

 

[m0rl0ck]

If FD could find a way punish combat loggers, wouldnt the combat loggers just play in solo or private group?
It seems to me that those inclined toward punishment should be careful what they wish for.
You might be trading a slim chance at a victim for none at all.

 

[Zambrick]

And that is the issue.

You cannot win for losing this argument.

Pirates want crime and punishment and a way to make money. That is a legitimate claim and they are not the ones out here whining constantly.

The people who are complaining are generally the griefers because they cannot see beyond the quick win. Everything in life is PVP for them. Including this forum. They will say go to private or solo you carebear. Or some other such nonsense. When everyone finally does they will be right back out here complaining on how solo and PG should be banned and Open should be the only mode.

Right now your only choices are to log out and risk the 15 seconds or combat log. However with the introduction of the Engineers you can now kill something in well under 15 seconds.

 

[Kaocraft]

Devs on combat logging:

First things first: we do consider this an undesirable exploit. It’s not “part of the game”.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-“Combat-Logging”-Update

Doesnt matter. If they don't fix it or even add an in-game message notifying you when you combat logged and that this is NOT COOL, then they are defacto supporting it and encouraging it. If they're not willing to do anything about it then it is part of the game no matter what offhand comment one of the Devs makes in an obscure forum post. They could also post on the forums that "railguns are OP and please don't use them," but if they really didn't want us to use railguns they would remove them from the game. They haven't done anything about combat logging, so their revealed preference is for it to continue unpunished and let people whine about it endlessly.

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If FD could find a way punish combat loggers, wouldnt the combat loggers just play in solo or private group?
It seems to me that those inclined toward punishment should be careful what they wish for.
You might be trading a slim chance at a victim for none at all.

That would be fine. It would be ideal if all the people who cheat at the game are not allowed to play the game with other players. It's ridiculous to think that having cheaters in the game is a worthy trade off to simply have a higher NUMBER of players regardless of how deplorable their behavior might be.