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Well for a start it isn't your game. XD
I’d like more commanders in the Open
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1. Options are provided so someone isn't forced to die at another player's hands.
2. Someone refuses to use that option for some odd reason.
3. Then complains on the forums.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed - some do seem to choose poorly with regard to game mode to suit their preferred gameplay experience..
Just to state the obvious... I agree with you
I think that “pirating” in Elite is a little bit of a stretch.
Funny how most of the Pirates I’ve met can’t actually pick up items because they don’t have any Cargo racks fitted.
In general, pirating is supposed to be about one group of “have nots” trying to take valuable ite s from a group of people who “have”. They only case I can think of where this is would apply is for commodities that are not sold everywhere. Like rare goods or mining. Then is makes sense to steal it to make money. Everything else in the game is so easily affordable to anyone, pirating almost becomes a joke term.
oKAY 'NUFF SAID ON THE SUBJECT ALREADY!
Those aren't Pirates. You haven't met Pirates. Those are Griefers. You were Griefed. The clue is in the saltyness. Had you been correctly Pirated you would be a much happier Commander.
The implication is yes, those activities would be unable to be completed in solo or private. This does indeed have the effect of PvP gating certain things. Even as someone who does not want to participate in PvP, I find that these things in order to be fair must be done on a level playing field. My preferences, and the preferences of others, were not used in consideration of this idea. By design this would frustrate some people who want to exclusively do these things in solo, and by design would annoy the PvP'ers that wish to murder folks doing other things. Its a concession, not a magical catch all solution. Are you implying that anything less then a true PvP flag would be unaccepted by the majority of solo players? Or that is PvP'ers suddenly can't kill every person they see, they would riot? If so, do you have any substantial evidence of these claims or are willing to back them up? I can actually dismiss the second claim. The only effective difference between a person in solo, and a person with PvP off, is that the PvP'er can see them. Thats it, nothing else has fundamentally changed. If the sight of someone who would otherwise be in Solo offends them, I would merely point this out to them.
And before you go, "My opinions are all I can have on this" let me say this... The point of this discussion isn't for anyone to tell me all of the ways these ideas cannot work in their opinion. It is to agree on something that we can try and make work. Even if neither of us are totally sold on the idea, if we, and others, can come to some kind of middle ground then I would consider my mission here a success. The aim is not to make everyone happy, the aim is to make as many people in agreeance on a solution as possible. So if you think my idea is poor, how can we improve it? If all you wish to do is point out the ways it will not work, at least understand that is not what I desire out of this conversation. I want practical solutions, and for it to be done with as little bias as I can muster.
You pointed it out yourself later in the thread, this game is pretty late in development and many players are set in their ways. I am painfully aware of this fact, and have come to the conclusion that the only possibility of meaningful change would come from some sort of unified community effort. Whether you hate people hiding in solo, or despise gankers, neither side is happy with it. I appeal to that desire for change and invite discussion on that front between both sides. It will likely fail, but this is what I want to try!
loool 90% of players are uncreative freeloaders that prey on the weak but are too coward for a fair fight - FACT! now whats interesting its the mental gymnastics of the worst type of scum in attempts of being legitimised as anything other than a useless cancer! i repeat useless cancer! and emphasis on the useless because what goes on in places liek shinrarta, deciat , sol etc is nothign but useless praying of COWARDS! nothign else nothing more! youre not even qualified to be pirates or anything that defines good or badguy your peristent acts of agression but only when you know you will win because ive fought alot of you and its rare the time i see you rats alone, but funny even when you're in teams you're cowards and fight only for yourselves and let your partners get slaughtered! you have no honor or warrior spirit, but you all think youre such a great contribution to the game dontcha! mega lol gents!
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Absolutely no need for collector limpets if you fly a proper ship, also known as a Cobra Mk III. No need for hatch breakers either.
Just shoot open the hatch with your gun. Preferably fixed.
It's what I do.
I basically have no automated systems on my ship unless mining. Even then... Only prospectors because they are literally required. Still pick up the loot manual.
Would you like a tissue?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... and too bad for those who bought the game knowing that they'd not need to play with other players to engage in these base game features?
PvP-gating of base-game content after five years seems unreasonable - noting that it would remove it altogether from console players without premium platform access who can currently access it in Solo but would no longer be able to if it was limited to Open (as they cannot play in either multi-player game mode).
Given that PvP is entirely optional in this game, the playing field is already level - it's just a simple case of players engaging in an optional play-style being unable to force others to engage in it to engage in any game feature.
Interesting.
Frontier have already indicated that removing all forms of PvP (for example in a potential PvE game mode) would be a great amount of work - and for that reason would seem to have already said that they won't do it. This seems to apply equally to a potential PvP flag.
That being the case, the PvP flag proposal would be unlikely to be supported by Frontier - which leaves PvP gating existing content with no "give" on the part of those who prefer PvP.
Interestingly, the FAQ that accompanied the Kickstarter made mention of the possibility of multiple Open modes, where the rules could be different to accommodate different play-styles - however only one Open mode was developed.
Not everyone agrees that there's a problem to be solved with regard to there being no Open only content.
.... and every player either backed or bought a game with three game modes and a single shared galaxy state. That some seek to retrospectively restrict content to a single game mode is clear - just as it is clear that they have no more "right" to the game content in question than any other player.
We don't know - and, short of a player-base poll, are unlikely to find out. We do know, from what two Devs have indicated, that a significant majority of players play in Open (with Solo and Private Groups enjoying significant portions of the player-base) and also that Frontier are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.
As already mentioned, a PvP flag would seem to be unlikely.
There's no need for any player to agree to a player proposal, nor to attempt to make it work.
Some backers were very put out when they realised that the single shared galaxy state meant that other players would be able to play the game, experiencing and affecting the galaxy, without them. That "debate" has been running for over seven years.
The attention seeking antics of a subset of the subset of players that engages in PvP would seem to have gained Frontier's attention - but probably haven't done those players who prefer PvP any favours in doing so.
The likelihood of any "unified community effort" being achieved on the basis of this proposal is negligible in my opinion.
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Oh I’ve never been griefed, or killed when I didn’t want to. I’ve been around since the beginning of the game, and am far from a victim.
My post was more sarcasm about pirates calling themselves pirates without a pirate ship. And in general the rediculous “pirate” gameplay when everyone can pretty much just but what they want. There’s not really any reason in game to have CMDR pirates.
You could have just said this and saved both of us the time. I don't agree with all of your points, but this one alone kills it.
You obviously do not want to think of a solution with me, given that you ignored my request to and seem to think its impossible. So I think this will conclude our conversation! I do appreciate how well thought out your answer were, I just don't find your stance helpful to the game, or the community.
Is this satire? I honestly can't tell if this is a legitimate rant or if it's a caricature.
It’s a normal reaction of someone who confronts griefers extensively.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The statement was made some time ago - in the Engineers launch stream, here:
The comment at 44m10s is interesting in the context of this discussion too.
I have no interest in facilitating the removal of existing game content from players who bought it just the same as anyone else to suit the optional play-style preference of a subset of the player-base, no.
Not every member of the community wants to engage in PvP - and no-one bought this game on the understanding that any feature required them to engage in PvP (apart from CQC - but that's not in-game).
This is strange to me. Your view on this is very binary. I didn't say my solution must be the end all solution. I said it was a possibility. If you disagree, please provide input on what we could do better instead. I think that all players should have access to open without fear of having their experience ruined. Do you disagree?
If PvP gating is so out of the question, what should we do instead? Thats all I'm asking. I don't disagree that my idea was bad, I disagree that nothing should be done because my idea was bad. Does that make sense? You seem to have a plethora of knowledge on this subject, I would love to hear a potential solution from you if I could. I will watch the video in the meantime!
Piracy is its own reward.
When credits are meaningless, interactions with other players are the only form of value to be had. These can be viewed positively or negatively depending on the robustness of your own emotional state.
The OP and some commentators here seem somewhat fragile. My advice would be that if you don't like Pirates or combat orientated player killers, then stick to the mode which most suits their playstyle.