Which limitations specifically are you talking about? Because I agree with some, disagree with others.
I’d like more commanders in the Open
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Common sense? To have a game that people barely play? To be unable to produce meaningful content to satisfy that player base? An interesting point of view indeed.
This guy is really sensitive. This is the point of a forum. Bring YOUR point of view to forefront. Stop attacking people on a personal level. Attack their argument by providing a valid one.
Robert Maynard
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The problem being that "the player base" rather obviously don't all want the same things.
That being the case, Frontier then need to decide which features considered for development benefit as many players as possible.
The entire game is limited. I can do nothing other than fly my ship around and make money number larger.
The market is a hyper controlled joke that's no better than a WoW vendor. There is no need to actually do anything because everything is centralized around you own, personal game. And on that note, what is there to achieve in your own personal game? Elite rank? Who cares.
It really is just sandbox with no toys. Just more sand. I'm not at an Anakin leve of hatred for sand. But man is it irritating.
The issue is the running theme that features don’t function cohesively with previous ones and/or don’t actually add value or functionality. im not getting into a case by case list with you because your opinion has no value to me. I’m stating these issues here on this forum on the off chance these discussions are reviewed by fdev
Been failing at that for years. The saving grace has always been the near flawless flight model and incredible galaxy. As soon as player realize there is nothing to actually do with it, they leave or just drop in from time to tjme.
It's about talking in absolutes.
Surely you agree that games need to have limitations. You need a framework and obstacles, otherwise it wouldn't be a game. That to me is common sense.
Where you place the line, we will probably differ in opinion. But you cannot claim that were your wishes fullfilled, the playerbase would be satisfied.
If my opinion has no value, please don't reply to me. (Request, not a demand)
It wastes both our times.
Exactly what is it this 'player base' desires so desperately in terms of meaningful content? Could you enlighten me as I believe I may play this game occasionally and have failed miserably in finding it lacking in meaningful content.
When I mentioned that I may play occasionally, what I truly mean is that I have in excess of 3,000 hours played... Would I be doing that if the game was quite so lacking? Maybe I perceive things in the game differently to your vision, it is quite possible, and that what you may consider meaningful content may, to me, be a heap of fetid dingo's kidneys awaiting consumption?
I applaud your passion in the game completely, no facetious there, but, as this is not a player designed or modded game, the developers are literally forced to take the middle ground in design to provide 'meaningful content' for the mythical 'average' player, which is why I enjoy what we have while others feel limited by what we don't have.
(notice the distinct lack of Ad Hominem and Strawman in the presentation?
)Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
That rather depends on ones perspective.
It is rather good, isn't it.
Which again rather depends on ones perspective.
If a player buys the game expecting a PvP driven experience then I can understand why they eventually leave.
I think of all types of Scotch Islay is best. If someone were to aggressively demand I explain myself and defend this preference I just shrug. Like it, don't like it, not my problem. If you like this game, great! If you don't: also great! If you kinda like it but have some suggestions, post them in the suggestions forum. That is, you guessed it, also great! Whatever your personal preferences are and your opinion about this game is, its all good!
What is not so good is the 'trying to get people to see the light' part. The lockdown measures are doing a great job at keeping the apostles and jehovas from my door, no need for virtual-spaceship-apostles on the forums.
I'm a T-7 apostle. It is the devine Lord's Vessel.
This perfectly illustrates how diverse are the things that the player base want. I accept what you say and I'm sure you have good reasons for praising the flight model. However, for me the flight model is the most annoying, unrealistic, immersion-breaking feature of the game. I've previously called it "flying spaceships in magic treacle".
Even if FD only had us two to satisfy, they would still find it impossible!
No one's dealing in absolute. Just you and the Sith. Your inability to construct an argument had now become amusing. Let me try and guide you.
You have a game that has 40 Billion star systems. Amazing flight model and plenty of exciting ships to fly.
In spite of that. People just dont play this game. Why? What would give people a reason to stick around? What would you implement in Elite to make people WANT to log in?
I chose to use the most successful space game of all time as an example. A game that people willingly paid a monthly fee to play. An entirely different philosophy for sure.
Elite protects and prevents players from any sort of interaction. Unwanted yes. But meaningful as well. That's the trade off. This creates a demand for the developer to create for the player something to give them purpose. This has clearly been a lot of pressure on Fdev, as it is on any developer when it comes to end game content in an mmo. They are failing, as they all do. It's a losing battle. Developer driven content is always polarizing and underwhelming.
On the other hand, you have Eve Online. A game that has enjoyed decades of success. People paid a monthly fee to partake in this game on spite of its non existent flight model and completely bland universe. Why? Because you had the freedom to create. Your actions had purpose and your bad decisions cost you (just pixels). This loss drove demand which created a marketplace where real players could fill the needs of other real players.
Despite having very few, if any, developer driven content this game not only stood the test of time, but flourished. People created massive corporations who could align themselves into alliance. They controlled areas.of.space, worked together to fill consumer demand be manufacturing goods, mining corps rose up to fill the needs.of the manufacturer. And individual players could satisfy market needs as well.
One game had a rich a bustling player base. It was a game, that on the surface is much less interesting and exciting. But it was a game that lasted a long ass time despite the presence of loss and lack of engaging flight mechanics.
But I was an Eve player. I would.play this game if it had anything decent in it besides the flight model. Why the hell.do you.play this? I see no other redeeming qualities.
What is meaningful?
To whom does it apply?
I for one enjoy flying spaceships in VR with a HOTAS.
That is something you'll have to learn to live with, I fear.
Maybe you can explain what content you find meaningfulExactly what is it this 'player base' desires so desperately in terms of meaningful content? Could you enlighten me as I believe I may play this game occasionally and have failed miserably in finding it lacking in meaningful content.
When I mentioned that I may play occasionally, what I truly mean is that I have in excess of 3,000 hours played... Would I be doing that if the game was quite so lacking? Maybe I perceive things in the game differently to your vision, it is quite possible, and that what you may consider meaningful content may, to me, be a heap of fetid dingo's kidneys awaiting consumption?
I applaud your passion in the game completely, no facetious there, but, as this is not a player designed or modded game, the developers are literally forced to take the middle ground in design to provide 'meaningful content' for the mythical 'average' player, which is why I enjoy what we have while others feel limited by what we don't have.
(notice the distinct lack of Ad Hominem and Strawman in the presentation?
Exactly what is it this 'player base' desires so desperately in terms of meaningful content? Could you enlighten me as I believe I may play this game occasionally and have failed miserably in finding it lacking in meaningful content.
When I mentioned that I may play occasionally, what I truly mean is that I have in excess of 3,000 hours played... Would I be doing that if the game was quite so lacking? Maybe I perceive things in the game differently to your vision, it is quite possible, and that what you may consider meaningful content may, to me, be a heap of fetid dingo's kidneys awaiting consumption?
I applaud your passion in the game completely, no facetious there, but, as this is not a player designed or modded game, the developers are literally forced to take the middle ground in design to provide 'meaningful content' for the mythical 'average' player, which is why I enjoy what we have while others feel limited by what we don't have.
(notice the distinct lack of Ad Hominem and Strawman in the presentation?
But you are one of the few devoyed players that love this game and will play it regardless. If you find meaning in making money number larger than you are set! Congrats! I wish flying around doing NPC missions got me going.
Fortunately for you, Fdev have succeeded in designed the perfect game. But the facts are, people dont play Elite. Calling it niche is a compliment I'm not even willing to pay it since that isn't entirely true.
As satisfied as you are. You have to admit... for anyone looking to do anything impactful or meaningful in game, elite seriously lacks. Just because you enjoy killing free time with these really cool.spaceships.doesnt mean the gaming community.gives a crap about making their money number larger.
There.is literally nothing of value to.do.in elite. True.