If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[Kaltern]

Because, for at least one reason, it is not acceptable to discover an ENTIRE SYSTEM with literally one scan, and attach your name to every body in the system - which is what would happen.

And don't respond saying 'it's not about the credits/discovery credit', because while it might not be to *YOU* it IS to other players. Whose opinion is valid, especially more so since the ADS has been removed and is not a working feature of this game.

It's ridiculous. It's like me saying 'I don't like the ship summoning to a station, I much prefer doing it myself - so I want it gone.'. I can cry and make many well written points and arguments.... but if you really want to, you can still fly it yourself. Except, by doing so, you're NOT gaining any advantage whatsoever, whereas with ADS, you just are.

Too many FSS detractors want too many things, whereas FSS users all want the same thing - and as the FSS IS IN THE GAME I don't understand the point of this, or any other threads. The vocal minority will not get what they want - not unless Frontier are willing to either lose a LOT of players who either came back, or just started playing, which is likely a LOT more than those who want the ADS back, OR they start a proper thread discussion with the same rules they employed while discussing the other additions like C&P - feedback but no argument between players. That's the only way you'll get a true representation of the forum's feelings on the matter - especially if you can only post ONCE in the thread.

 

[Andovar]

Because, for at least one reason, it is not acceptable to discover an ENTIRE SYSTEM with literally one scan, and attach your name to every body in the system - which is what would happen.

That's not true. The honk just reveals their existence. They're all still labeled as 'undiscovered'.

 

[Burke]

He's not the only one that doesn't get it.

If they added the ADS back into the game now, I honestly wouldn't even notice. I don't understand why anyone who uses the FSS would notice or have any issue with others using the ADS and fly-bys to do their scanning.

Thankyou. Very reasonable.

That's not true. The honk just reveals their existence. They're all still labeled as 'undiscovered'.

This is correct.


I have read a few posts saying along the lines of "ok you can have ADS but at the expense of FSS" This is basicly the most ideal possible outcome for me. To be able to pretend the bad thing never happened. I understand thats not for everybody but it would please me.

 

[OBYOZ]

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[-VR- Max Factor]

Here's a video showing me entering a system that has previously been fully explored & tagged by other players, but is new to me:



As you can see I was able to both target the [unexplored] bodies and hunt for signatures in the FSS Scanner Screen. I was able to resolve a body in the FSS and fly past another, resolving it at speed.

There is no conflict between the old & new modules, I'd simply like to have this same functionality in undiscovered (or partially discovered) systems by fitting an optional ADS module just as it was pre-3.3.

Nothing complicated, nothing taken away from the new system, no reason not to do it other than the time it would take to implement. Unlike a new feature request or correcting a bug no investigation is required, the functionality and compatibility are fully understood by the devs.

There's a difference between a system that has already been fully explored and tagged, and a system that has partially been explored and a system that hasn't. You want it so that there is no difference.

No thanks. I like the differences myself.

 

[askavir]

Because, for at least one reason, it is not acceptable to discover an ENTIRE SYSTEM with literally one scan, and attach your name to every body in the system - which is what would happen.

Sigh...

The ADS did not "attached your name" to diddly squat. It never did. You had to fly to each body and scan it with the DSS to "attach your name"... So no, that's not what would happen.

It's ridiculous

Indeed, too many anti-ADS arguments are ridiculous and completely unfounded, based on false premises like "it attaches your name to every body in the system". It's almost like most of the anti-ADS people just started exploring last month and they're arguing against something they actually know little to nothing about.

Too many FSS detractors want too many things

No, they just want one thing, the ADS back, something that had already been in the game for 4 years. They don't even want anything new, just something that was removed for reasons to be put back.

 

[OBYOZ]

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[StuartGT]

90+ pages of comments, 127 participants - here are the top #10 posters as we approach page 100!

#1 DrewCarnegie = 76 comments
#2 Riverside = 70 comments
#3 Burke = 63 comments
#4 Old Duck = 49 comments
#5 Ian Skippy = 47 comments
#6 Max Factor = 33 comments
#7 sollisb = 31 comments
#8 Ziggy Stardust = 28 comments
#9 Stigbob = 27 comments
#10 LeoBartlet = 21 comments

You too can make the Top 10, so get your constructive feedback in

Summary of thread: some CMDRs don't like the FSS, while others do like the FSS.

 

[Stigbob]

But blue tuning using a WW2 radio set isn't outdated? Seriously Stig?

I like it, its a bit steam punk.

 

[Old Duck]

Cheese is milk's leap toward immortality.

/thread

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I heard they tolerate no dissent over there.

Ask Stuart GT.

Or, maybe not.

 

[M00ka]

****** PRESS RELEASE FROM CYNTHIA SIDERIS, UNIVERSAL CARTOGRAPHICS CHAIR

******​

Recently our fine organisation implemented a galaxy wide improvement in the way the fine Commanders of the Pilot's Federation explored this great Galaxy. We had hoped this new procedure would be accepted by all Commanders but recent feedback has unfortunately indicated a small minority do not like the new tools nor appreciate the tremendous work and effort our engineers expended to facilitate this improvement. There have even been threats of industrial action if the old system is not brought back.

Unfortunately the old and new systems can not coexist, the technology of the new FSS and the reworded DSS is just not compatible with the antiquated BDS/IDS/ADS and DSS systems. Therefore to forestall any industrial action that has been threatened and to appease those Commanders who genuinely do not like the new system, the engineers UC have come up with a solution. Whilst this solution may sound draconic, due to the aforementioned incompatibility problems this is the only solution available.

The UC will soon be releasing an Engineering blueprint which will allow any member of the Pilot's Federation to roll back their ship to original configuration. The FSS will be removed entirely from the ship, the old ADS will be installed if there is space available. Please note that only the ADS is available, as there were very few ships who utilised the BDS and IDS, and the UC has sufficient stock on hand of the old ADS module to ensure any Commander who applies this modification can be taken care of. Additionally, if the Commander requires it, an old DSS can also be fitted, again space on the ship permitting. Commanders must take note that the new surface mapping function of the current DSS is not compatible with the previous ADS and therefore can not be used in together. Please note that the obsolete ADS and DSS can not be purchased via the outfitting facilities, the only way to obtain these components is via the blueprint modification process

We at UC have worked with the engineering departments of all ship manufacturers on this issue and we have reached an agreement that these fine manufacturers have provided UC with the access codes to all ships basic computer systems. Subsequently, part of the blueprint process will delete the requirement to change into Analysis Mode and that function will be deleted as part of the downgrade process.

The major downside in this is that our own system are now unable to process the information retrieved using the previous systems. To this end certain payments will not be available nor will any recognition be made of discoveries. Whilst UC acknowledges this may upset some Commanders we have been informed by others that they explore not for fame and wealth but for the thrill of exploration. In time we may be able to engineer some mechanism to be able to port the information from the old systems into our new systems but we foresee that it would only be in the area of recognition, i.e. First Discoveries, but as yet our software engineers have not come up with a viable and cost effective solution.

Therefore in the immediate future, each esteemed member of the Pilot's Federation will automatically receive this blueprint, it will be easily identified as 'Exploration Rollback'. This blueprint can be applied at any station with the Remote Engineer facility. Unfortunately for those Commander's who are still valiantly exploring the furthest reaches of our galaxy, they will be unable to take advantage of our fine offer until they can find a suitable station.

We at UC feel very strongly about this issue and have gone to great lengths to ensure that if a Commander does wish to revert back to the old system that the process is cost effective. There are no material requirements not costs involved in applying the blueprint, but once applied the process can not be reversed on the ship. Thus we strongly encourage all Commander's to carefully consider the offer before making the decision.

Again, we at Universal Cartographics are dedicated to ensuring all Commander have the ability to explore the galaxy - thank you.

[Signed]
Ms Cynthia Sideris
Chairperson
Universal Cartographics.
​

 

[OBYOZ]

Deleted

 

[askavir]

Hey look, another internet psychic that knows exactly what the me-jority thinks!

Sleut, you're not the Special One anymore!

 

[Riverside]

****** PRESS RELEASE FROM CYNTHIA SIDERIS, UNIVERSAL CARTOGRAPHICS CHAIR

******​

Recently our fine organisation implemented a galaxy wide improvement in the way the fine Commanders of the Pilot's Federation explored this great Galaxy. We had hoped this new procedure would be accepted by all Commanders but recent feedback has unfortunately indicated a small minority do not like the new tools nor appreciate the tremendous work and effort our engineers expended to facilitate this improvement. There have even been threats of industrial action if the old system is not brought back.

Unfortunately the old and new systems can not coexist, the technology of the new FSS and the reworded DSS is just not compatible with the antiquated BDS/IDS/ADS and DSS systems. Therefore to forestall any industrial action that has been threatened and to appease those Commanders who genuinely do not like the new system, the engineers UC have come up with a solution. Whilst this solution may sound draconic, due to the aforementioned incompatibility problems this is the only solution available.

The UC will soon be releasing an Engineering blueprint which will allow any member of the Pilot's Federation to roll back their ship to original configuration. The FSS will be removed entirely from the ship, the old ADS will be installed if there is space available. Please note that only the ADS is available, as there were very few ships who utilised the BDS and IDS, and the UC has sufficient stock on hand of the old ADS module to ensure any Commander who applies this modification can be taken care of. Additionally, if the Commander requires it, an old DSS can also be fitted, again space on the ship permitting. Commanders must take note that the new surface mapping function of the current DSS is not compatible with the previous ADS and therefore can not be used in together. Please note that the obsolete ADS and DSS can not be purchased via the outfitting facilities, the only way to obtain these components is via the blueprint modification process

We at UC have worked with the engineering departments of all ship manufacturers on this issue and we have reached an agreement that these fine manufacturers have provided UC with the access codes to all ships basic computer systems. Subsequently, part of the blueprint process will delete the requirement to change into Analysis Mode and that function will be deleted as part of the downgrade process.

The major downside in this is that our own system are now unable to process the information retrieved using the previous systems. To this end certain payments will not be available nor will any recognition be made of discoveries. Whilst UC acknowledges this may upset some Commanders we have been informed by others that they explore not for fame and wealth but for the thrill of exploration. In time we may be able to engineer some mechanism to be able to port the information from the old systems into our new systems but we foresee that it would only be in the area of recognition, i.e. First Discoveries, but as yet our software engineers have not come up with a viable and cost effective solution.

Therefore in the immediate future, each esteemed member of the Pilot's Federation will automatically receive this blueprint, it will be easily identified as 'Exploration Rollback'. This blueprint can be applied at any station with the Remote Engineer facility. Unfortunately for those Commander's who are still valiantly exploring the furthest reaches of our galaxy, they will be unable to take advantage of our fine offer until they can find a suitable station.

We at UC feel very strongly about this issue and have gone to great lengths to ensure that if a Commander does wish to revert back to the old system that the process is cost effective. There are no material requirements not costs involved in applying the blueprint, but once applied the process can not be reversed on the ship. Thus we strongly encourage all Commander's to carefully consider the offer before making the decision.

Again, we at Universal Cartographics are dedicated to ensuring all Commander have the ability to explore the galaxy - thank you.

[Signed]
Ms Cynthia Sideris
Chairperson
Universal Cartographics.
​

Nah.

 

[StuartGT]

I heard they tolerate no dissent over there.

Ask Stuart GT.

Or, maybe not.

Well, we don't tolerate accounts that whine endlessly. People can be persistent negative-nancies somewhere else

/r/EliteDangerous is for CMDRs who enjoy playing the game, chat about their fun, and give constructive feedback

Dissent is easy to find, for example: "Warning about a planned attack against DW2" (posted 2 days ago, 810+ votescore, 780 comments) - an extensive discussion about FDev Support respawns, combat logging (and FDev's lack of punishment), Open/Group/Solo (and imbalance), etc

 

[OBYOZ]

Deleted

 

[Zieman]

Nah.

Is that 'yea nah' or 'nah yea'?

 

[StuartGT]

Decency is actually encouraged. Accusing people of sympathising with ww2-era Germany is not though. People who repeat the same opinion over and over because they think their opinion shoukd be heard above all others also tend to be downvoted.

Its a pretty cool place.

Thanks for your understanding, CMDR o7

 

[Factabulous]

Is that 'yea nah' or 'nah yea'?