INRA Base Discoveries

[Patau82]

Uhm im here to defend those who are being slandered for cheating as accused, think you may have to reread posts before posting yourself. And also if you want to be personal talk to me in private message or dont bring up the origin of this computer game's country into disrepute, you just make yourself look like an utter moron.
And while were on the subject of throwing stones, i was part of canonn a while back, back when guardian ruins were being brute forced, and during that time people in Canonn where using the task manager process watcher to see whether or not the super cruise they were in was loading more memory for the elite dangerous process to determine if that area had ruins. I called them out and subsequently was removed from canonn. So for those people shouting hax, cheater and everything else, you may find our own group is just as bad. Personally i know that during these brute force searches no hax no file dipping and no process watching was being used. Hence why for past 12 hours in a moon 3000km in diameter with little to no surface features our task is somewhat fruitless. So yeah hax no.. jealousy from others yes. Oh and the base after the hermitage system took 5 days of constant searching to find. So please source your facts carefully and considerately before calling unfair to others on a forum.

Can you send pm some details, from what i know only 2-3 people have ever been kicked out of the canonn and that was for cheating!

 

[SteFBlood]

Please refer to post #575 from Syleo for start of method explanation... (moderation took a while for his posting and the post arrived amidst others, and may have not been seen.

 

[Thatchinho]

No offence man, but even Obsidian Ant questioned the first find that wasn't even the trailer version(2 minutes 30 seconds in the video below), and there was no suitable explaination for it at the time (still not sure if this is the case?) - once the 2nd was found almost a week later, again there wasn't really a roadmap for it - I don't class skepticism and the potential for file digging and being taken as a complete mug as trolling - people may see it like that, but some of us don't believe everything someone says on the net or don't ask questions.

I'm happy to leave it as it is now from the 2nd base onward because it was explained earlier, but again, the way the first was found still lingers over the entire easter egg hunt - and people shouldn't be taken for fools.

https://youtu.be/QyrqKcgE

https://www.youtube.com/user/ObsidianAnt/videos

No offence taken! My point here is that various of the reasons you cited are unreasonable grounds for suspicion. When something can be explained by it just being what would rationally be expected to happen under the circumstances, then portraying it as grounds for suspicion isn't skepticism it's something else. You also went further then suspicion and stated that you thought people were cheating. I hope you can see how this could lead to people thinking your post was trolling. (For the record, I personally don't think you were trolling. I'm just explaining how it could appear that you were.)

Also, Obsidian Ant being suspicious doesn't mean it's valid.

And while you make a valid point about not believing everything you read, a lot of people have done exactly the opposite when it comes to the accusations. (Can you honestly say that personally you've applied your principle as much to the accusations that were made as you have the discovery?)

Look at a few of the things that some of the people making accusations have said:

"They said they found the Planet via skyboxing matching. That would have been impossible. They're cheating!!!" - they never said they found it via skybox matching. Someone got the wrong end of the stick, people have spread the rumour, and people have accused Alex and co based on something they never even said in the first place.

"Cookie said he found the site via intuition. That's very suspicious, he must have cheated!!!" - again Cookie never said anything about intuition.

(I'm paraphrasing many comments, not quoting specific ones, obviously)

And so on.


How many people have you seen who've actually read through how the first site was found, considered whether it was reasonable, tried to replicate it and assessed things for themselves?

 

[Thatchinho]

Yes. It was probably done by a ventriloquist. (bad joke there, because 'B' and 'D', get it?).

But you're right, it was wrong in the text and the voice actor read it that way.

So, we're all agreed, it was basically:

[video=youtube;UtVjRG7PB_4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVjRG7PB_4[/video]

 

[Alex Ringess]

No offence taken! My point here is that various of the reasons you cited are unreasonable grounds for suspicion. When something can be explained by it just being what would rationally be expected to happen under the circumstances, then portraying it as grounds for suspicion isn't skepticism it's something else. You also went further then suspicion and stated that you thought people were cheating. I hope you can see how this could lead to people thinking your post was trolling. (For the record, I personally don't think you were trolling. I'm just explaining how it could appear that you were.)

Also, Obsidian Ant being suspicious doesn't mean it's valid.

And while you make a valid point about not believing everything you read, a lot of people have done exactly the opposite when it comes to the accusations. (Can you honestly say that personally you've applied your principle as much to the accusations that were made as you have the discovery?)

Look at a few of the things that some of the people making accusations have said:

"They said they found the Planet via skyboxing matching. That would have been impossible. They're cheating!!!" - they never said they found it via skybox matching. Someone got the wrong end of the stick, people have spread the rumour, and people have accused Alex and co based on something they never even said in the first place.

"Cookie said he found the site via intuition. That's very suspicious, he must have cheated!!!" - again Cookie never said anything about intuition.

(I'm paraphrasing many comments, not quoting specific ones, obviously)

And so on.


How many people have you seen who've actually read through how the first site was found, considered whether it was reasonable, tried to replicate it and assessed things for themselves?

I have to mention that the OP was switched from Dangerous Discussion to Features of Elite -> Alien, renamed and sticked.
Afaik, it wasn't done after a request from us to Frontier or any moderators !

IMHO, it could be understanding as a validation from Frontier that there was no cheat or files digging out there, no ?

So, is it possible to shift all the salty discussions out of this thread, please ?

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

No offence taken! My point here is that various of the reasons you cited are unreasonable grounds for suspicion. When something can be explained by it just being what would rationally be expected to happen under the circumstances, then portraying it as grounds for suspicion isn't skepticism it's something else. You also went further then suspicion and stated that you thought people were cheating. I hope you can see how this could lead to people thinking your post was trolling. (For the record, I personally don't think you were trolling. I'm just explaining how it could appear that you were.)

Also, Obsidian Ant being suspicious doesn't mean it's valid.

And while you make a valid point about not believing everything you read, a lot of people have done exactly the opposite when it comes to the accusations. (Can you honestly say that personally you've applied your principle as much to the accusations that were made as you have the discovery?)

Look at a few of the things that some of the people making accusations have said:

"They said they found the Planet via skyboxing matching. That would have been impossible. They're cheating!!!" - they never said they found it via skybox matching. Someone got the wrong end of the stick, people have spread the rumour, and people have accused Alex and co based on something they never even said in the first place.

"Cookie said he found the site via intuition. That's very suspicious, he must have cheated!!!" - again Cookie never said anything about intuition.

(I'm paraphrasing many comments, not quoting specific ones, obviously)

And so on.


How many people have you seen who've actually read through how the first site was found, considered whether it was reasonable, tried to replicate it and assessed things for themselves?

PM'd you.

 

[aymerix]

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[sorcer3r]

Gratulations for your discovery!

I do not think that we should discuss about cheating or not.

I think it is a huge problem that the search started (again) after frontier showed pictures of an inra base in a teaser.

IMO the search should have begun because of ingame mechanics ( and even it is just a galnet article at first, that could lead to listening posts etc.). In that case a bigger part of the community had the chance to discover inra bases.

Another issue is that you have to play with your surface settings just to be able to see such an object on a planet.

After all it is again a missed opportunity to present an interesting story.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Gratulations for your discovery!

I do not think that we should discuss about cheating or not.

I think it is a huge problem that the search started (again) after frontier showed pictures of an inra base in a teaser.

IMO the search should have begun because of ingame mechanics ( and even it is just a galnet article at first, that could lead to listening posts etc.). In that case a bigger part of the community had the chance to discover inra bases.

Another issue is that you have to play with your surface settings just to be able to see such an object on a planet.

After all it is again a missed opportunity to present an interesting story.

I love this game, but what does it say about the mechanics we have that we have to alter our graphic settings to see these bases? Surely it shouldn't be this difficult.

 

[jasch]

I love this game, but what does it say about the mechanics we have that we have to alter our graphic settings to see these bases? Surely it shouldn't be this difficult.

As far as I know changing the graphics settings is not necessary. It simply is a way to make it easier to find those bases, as they stand out against the blurred background.

 

[Rick Deckard]

As far as I know changing the graphics settings is not necessary. It simply is a way to make it easier to find those bases, as they stand out against the blurred background.

Of course it is not necessary, but all of the bases found so far seem to have used this process. That's because the alternative is like looking for a needle in a haystack. How about introducing a mechanism where if you are at a certain altitude these bases (permanent features), show up as a POI a completely different colour, therefore worthy of investigation?

 

[Louis Calvert]

Of course it is not necessary, but all of the bases found so far seem to have used this process. That's because the alternative is like looking for a needle in a haystack. How about introducing a mechanism where if you are at a certain altitude these bases (permanent features), show up as a POI a completely different colour, therefore worthy of investigation?

I'm hoping/expecting that this type of thing (or something cooler) will be introduced next year in the exploration upgrades

Just a shame we've got to scour planets the old way until then.

 

[Rick Deckard]

I'm hoping/expecting that this type of thing (or something cooler) will be introduced next year in the exploration upgrades

Just a shame we've got to scour planets the old way until then.

Yes, I'm sure it will improve. You're right - it's a shame because I'll never be able to find one of these on my own. I struggle even when I know the coordinates

 

[Leon Kompowsky]

IMO the search should have begun because of ingame mechanics ( and even it is just a galnet article at first, that could lead to listening posts etc.). In that case a bigger part of the community had the chance to discover inra bases.

I assumed that's how this whole thing started, but it appears not.

I'm still not clear on how the first or even second planet became objects of a search.

After the logs were found on the second base pointing to planets it makes sense that these players who are the most well coordinated are the ones finding things all the time, but before that makes no sense to me.

 

[Ozric]

Do people think we'll find what essentially is just backfilling lore, or do we think we'll find something that explains the current situation, conspiracy and recent Thargoid history and behaviour?

I think the main idea behind the bases is to back fill the lore, and maybe even give us a true idea of what is canon in Elite Dangerous. I was, probably foolishly, thinking one of the bases may give us a solid link to the Sirius corporation We shall see...

I have to mention that the OP was switched from Dangerous Discussion to Features of Elite -> Alien, renamed and sticked.
Afaik, it wasn't done after a request from us to Frontier or any moderators !

The thread was moved to the Aliens forum a few days ago. I stickied it and renamed it (to make it a bit clearer) today, once it became clear there is a trail emerging.

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

I think the main idea behind the bases is to back fill the lore, and maybe even give us a true idea of what is canon in Elite Dangerous. I was, probably foolishly, thinking one of the bases may give us a solid link to the Sirius corporation We shall see...

I for one would love to see where Site Zero was for the thargoid mycoid dispersion, it may give us some clue to the current thargoids whereabouts. We have only so far encountered dormant bases and nothing which shows active sites with flowerships emerging from.

 

[CMDRHatch]

At what height do bases on he surface of a planet become visible?

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

At what height do bases on he surface of a planet become visible?

you can see them pretty good, even from 4-6km's high - it's just a case of not falling asleep as you stare at the white ground

 

[SteFBlood]

We have some pictures of HIP 15329 base at 6km and 20km high. 6km is a good representation of a base, 20 km high is a dark pixel in the ground. These pictures were taken on light side of planet, reduce to 500m and 2km for night side... (no graphic setting modified for this values)

Spoiler

 

[Louis Calvert]

I for one would love to see where Site Zero was for the thargoid mycoid dispersion, it may give us some clue to the current thargoids whereabouts. We have only so far encountered dormant bases and nothing which shows active sites with flowerships emerging from.

"site zero", was likely the Pleiades.

In FFE lore Mic Turner discovered that the Pleiades was the Thargoid Forward Base, and if you look at this map https://map.canonn.technology/all/ filter for Thargoid Bases, you'll see most "inactive" ones (the most damaged ones) are the areas facing the bubble. That seems to be a good indication that those ones were infected and damaged in a wave originating at the closest point to the bubble, and my guess would be that INRA just infected as many bases as they could along that front and the infection spread back from there.

the INRA logs show they were making a lot of the Mycoid, but hyperdrive tech back then was slow, so they likely just hit as many bases as they could easily reach. Comparable to the USA detonating the atomic bombs on Japan, they didn't need to destroy it all, the Japanese leaders knew they couldn't defend against atomics and had no real choice but to surrender.

I assume that the Thargoids retreated so as not to get infected once they realised what was happening.

I don't think the Flower ships are Thargoids specifically, I think they're basically space-based scavenger drones (and maybe test beds to see if we've made more mycoid, since I assume they're returning because they've developed a resistance to it). They're checking over the area, collecting resources, scanning everything and taking all that info back... somewhere!

As to their current whereabouts; Again, in FFE the Thargoid home planet was located a long way off and the general direction seemed to be what we now call the Col70 sector, and ofc the signal from the probes points to a system in the Col70 sector, so best guess currently is that the reason that sector is locked is that it's the Thargoid home systems. We know the Mycoid attacked their ships, so it's possible the bulk of the Thargoid population quarantined themselves to prevent the mycoid spreading.