Krait vs. Python - Power Distributor

[Stealthie]

It's all pretty balanced, until you throw in the fact that the Krait can boost 50% more often, and indefinitely with only 2 pips to engines, this is a unique trait of all elite ships, and doesn't break my immersion, I don't even own akrait yet, I just think that what the op has identified is clearly an oversight. Anything else you can deliberately misunderstand today?

Lighter armour upgrades for the Python yielding bigger integrity gains isn't me misunderstanding anything.

It's either balanced or it's not.

If you want balance, let's see the Python's armor weighing more than the Krait's, or let's have it providing smaller integrity gains.

Or, alternatively, quit whining about the things you don't approve of while ignoring the things you like.

 

[ozrix84]

Someone please inform Stealthie that what he's been claiming about the integrity numbers isn't true. It's 15%, not 25%. He has me on his ignore list..
Also, if I know anything about numbers, it's that the difference between a 40% and a 15% advantage is pretty big.

Even if we're not talking advantage one ship has over the other, again, this doesn't change the fact that it can boost indefinitely with 2 pips in engines. Maybe an official statement from FD on whether this is working as intended would put this to rest.

 

[Aashenfox]

Lighter armour upgrades for the Python yielding bigger integrity gains isn't me misunderstanding anything.

It's either balanced or it's not.

If you want balance, let's see the Python's armor weighing more than the Krait's, or let's have it providing smaller integrity gains.

Or, alternatively, quit whining about the things you don't approve of while ignoring the things you like.

As usual, you've waded in without knowing a thing about what you speak, misunderstood every post and then gone off on one in a completely arbitrary direction and left me wondering whose posts you've been reading. you didn't even understand my reference to misunderstanding. Perhaps you should read things slower? /shrug

First you accused me of wanting to nerf the python (lol?), then when I corrected you you accused me of wanting to nerf the Krait. Jeez, are you only capable of reading the word 'nerf' in every post you see?

Good to see some things never change around here. lol.

Someone please inform Stealthie that what he's been claiming about the integrity numbers isn't true. It's 15%, not 25%. He has me on his ignore list..
Also, if I know anything about numbers, it's that the difference between a 40% and a 15% advantage is pretty big.

Even if we're not talking advantage one ship has over the other, again, this doesn't change the fact that it can boost indefinitely with 2 pips in engines. Maybe an official statement from FD on whether this is working as intended would put this to rest.

Gladly.

 

[Stealthie]

Someone please inform Stealthie that what he's been claiming about the integrity numbers isn't true. It's 15%, not 25%. He has me on his ignore list..

You're the one who said you were going to block me, you dozy sod.

It's 18%.

As usual, you've waded in without knowing a thing about what you speak, misunderstood every post and then gone off on one in a completely arbitrary direction and left me wondering whose posts you've been reading.

Good to see some things never change around here. lol.

All I see there is bluster, with nothing that actually refutes what I said, or explains why I'm wrong.

 

[avow555]

I'm sure everybody will be indebted to the OP when FDev decide to nerf the Krait by increasing the power drain when boosting. [rolleyes]

You had to say it!

 

[Aashenfox]

You're the one who said you were going to block me, you dozy sod.

It's 18%.



All I see there is bluster, with nothing that actually refutes what I said, or explains why I'm wrong.

You're wrong, because you are speaking to me on the assumption that I wrote something I didn't!! I don't want to nerf the Krait. ok? I don't want ot nerf the python, ok? I think that FD MIGHT have made on oversight on the Krait boost thing mentioned here. Nothing else. Now go attack someone worthy of your fury. lol.

 

[ozrix84]

You're the one who said you were going to block me, you dozy sod.

I was, but I saw your post quoted in here so I made an exception for this thread only.

It's 18%.

Python base integrity = 468
Krait base integrity = 396

396 / 4,68 = 84,6

 

[Stealthie]

I was, but I saw your post quoted in here so I made an exception for this thread only.

So, why say that I blocked you?

Python base integrity = 468
Krait base integrity = 396

396 / 4,68 = 84,6

Yeah, I see the problem.

As a rule, most people consider a bigger number in terms of a smaller one.

15 is 50% more than 10.

468 is 18% more than 396.

 

[ozrix84]

So, why say that I blocked you?

That was to inform other posters, not you. You didn't react to the number correction, so that's what I assumed.

Yeah, I see the problem.

As a rule, most people consider a bigger number in terms of a smaller one.

15 is 50% more than 10.

468 is 18% more than 396.

Either way it isn't 25% like you claimed, any way you spin it. I get that you're salty because your ship might get nerfed (I fly it too), but it's apparently a bug. Or not. FD might clear things up.

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

I was, but I saw your post quoted in here so I made an exception for this thread only.


Python base integrity = 468
Krait base integrity = 396

396 / 4,68 = 84,6

lol Maths...it's a dying skill
Using your numbers 396 and 468...
The Python has 18.2% more integrity than the Krait.
and...at the same time, the Krait is 15.4% weaker on integrity than the Python.

Purely depends on what ship you use as the base reference integrity.

 

[ozrix84]

lol Maths...it's a dying skill
Using your numbers 396 and 468...
The Python has 18.2% more integrity than the Krait.
and...at the same time, the Krait is 15.4% weaker on integrity than the Python.

Purely depends on what ship you use as the base reference integrity.

Yes, I figured that out, thank you.

 

[Stealthie]

That was to inform other posters, not you. You didn't react to the number correction, so that's what I assumed.

You mean to "inform other posters" of a lie.

In future, maybe consider that when people don't respond to you it's simply that they're not interested in anything you have to say. [up]

Either way it isn't 25% like you claimed, any way you spin it. I get that you're salty because your ship might get nerfed (I fly it too), but it's apparently a bug. Or not. FD might clear things up.

No, it's 18%.

And maybe the fact that the Python has lighter armor which yields higher integrity is also a "bug" too?
Maybe we need FDev to clarify all this stuff?

Or, maybe we could just accept that different ships provide different benefits?

 

[ozrix84]

You mean to "inform other posters" of a lie.

Whatever you say, drama mama.

And maybe the fact that the Python has lighter armor which yields higher integrity is also a "bug" too?
Maybe we need FDev to clarify all this stuff?

Maybe it is, I don't know. Anyone is free to file a bug report.

Or, maybe we could just accept that different ships provide different benefits?

This seems broken to me. I can't accept it.

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

Or, maybe we could just accept that different ships provide different benefits?

You use the word "accept" like you've been defeated. Ships do provide different benefits. End of story.

 

[ozrix84]

You use the word "accept" like you've been defeated. Ships do provider different benefits. End of story.

The Krait could still outperform the Python if the energy reserves depleted at all.

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

This seems broken to me. I can't accept it.

How does this mechanic affect your gameplay exactly?
The only reason I can see this impacting you is because you cannot chase down and kill someone in PvP who doesn't want to play ball and instead legs it.

 

[ozrix84]

How does this mechanic affect your gameplay exactly?
The only reason I can see this impacting you is because you cannot chase down and kill someone in PvP who doesn't want to play ball and instead legs it.

Yeah, the issue for me lies mostly in PvP.

 

[M00ka]

The Krait could still outperform the Python if the energy reserves depleted at all.

Only if your sole criteria for the ship was it's boost capability. The Krait doesn't outperform the Python in cargo capacity. Each ship has it's merits and it's faults.

 

[Aashenfox]

Thing is though, that armor is brought back in line if you carry a fighter, plus the awkward sizing on the krait.

Here are my two military bulkheads builds for these ships, if you ask me it's obvious what the differences are and what they count for. Both ships have been specced for minimum 35% armor resist and restricted to military bulks. You don't use all the armor potential of the python cos you've always got cargo racks, kinda the same for the krait because of the fighter. The math is a total red herring as there are so many other factors to consider. The krait has awkward compartment sizing, for example.

Python - https://s.orbis.zone/ad2 (this is actually exactly how I roll, pve), sometimes I use three large multicannons.
Krait - don't own it yet, but this is exactly how I would build it... https://s.orbis.zone/ad5 I'm in no rush to do so, as you can see, it offers little over a more useful python.

Note that the krait has one extra hrp plus engineering. But no cargo. They are very well balanced, this boost thing aside.

I say the krait is the assassination boat because you can swap the extra 2d hrp for an ads without too much defensive loss. No room for an ads on a combat python.

 

[Stealthie]

Here are my two military bulkheads builds for these ships, if you ask me it's obvious what the differences are and what they count for. Both ships have been specced for minimum 35% armor resist and restricted to military bulks. You don't use all the armor potential of the python cos you've always got cargo racks, kinda the same for the krait because of the fighter. The math is a total red herring as there are so many other factors to consider. The krait has awkward compartment sizing, for example.

Python - https://s.orbis.zone/ad2 (this is actually exactly how I roll, pve), sometimes I use three large multicannons.
Krait - don't own it yet, but this is exactly how I would build it... https://s.orbis.zone/ad5 I'm in no rush to do so, as you can see, it offers little over a more useful python.

Gotta say, both of those builds look entirely "pointless" to me.

I mean, I get that if you were building either ship purely for combat then it might be the way to go but, then again, if you're building a ship specifically for combat, are you actually going to go with a Krait, or Python, in the first place?

Not really sure these kind of "edge case" builds prove much except that you can skew a ship's performance in extreme ways if you go to extreme lengths.