If a change has been discussed at length and in many threads it might pay those who want that change to review some of those threads and see if they can come up with a new and more convincing argument, unless of course they weren’t all that interested in actually getting the change adopted into the game.
Make Elite an MMO again !!
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Whether you are right or not doesn’t answer the questions.
See, continued discussion on a theme should bring opposing viewpoints closer together, though we all still agree to disagree, and provide some perspective from over the trenches.
While a little of that has happened here, it’s still a very Californian vibe.
So you claim the immersion factor of this proposal is bad while you sustain actual immersion factor of people having a faction war not being able to fight themselver for example is good. Not talking about real immersion killers like combat logging or mission/instance logging to claim rewards/loot. Or the infinite proves in planet scanning.
Also I already said a mechanic to avoid exploits in opening post. Sure we will need more.
Talking about other things, can you please be for once constructive? What will you do in FDev position to make Open play more fair, as its a fact, its a X% more risky than solo...
simple: make fleet carriers destructible and i'm pretty sure your carrier would meet someone
no, of course carriers would have to be dealt with in some way. they are an oddity in the already schizo universe, midway between ships and stations. carriers didn't exist when sandro made his proposal, and it is understood that their mechanic changed dramatically just weeks before their release. it could change again if necessary. now that i think of it, they are sort of a fourth mode
the point i would make (if i were op) is that those are implementation issues, not to worry too much about in a preliminary discussion about the principle.
personally i think op's principles are sound, yet the toy is already broken in that regard ...
I feel I am being constructive, whereas you are simply dismissing criticism without consideration. Due to the instancing mechanics, we could be opposing each other in a BGS conflict in Open and still not see each other in the next CZ over. Or, you know, I could just block you and get on with my game. Or you could block me. We’d still be opposing each other, in Open, but we’d pose no direct risk to each other, except perhaps in our respective talents for manipulating the BGS in our favour; as I understand it BGS conflicts are intended as a form of indirect PvP, based on opposing actions not necessarily in the same instance of space. That some players want to solve all problems with hardpoints deployed doesn’t change the way the networking mechanics are set up.
simple: make fleet carriers destructible and i'm pretty sure your carrier would meet someone
no, of course carriers would have to be dealt with in some way. they are an oddity in the already schizo universe, midway between ships and stations. carriers didn't exist when sandro made his proposal, and it is understood that their mechanic changed dramatically just weeks before their release. it could change again if necessary. now that i think of it, they are sort of a fourth mode
the point i would make (if i were op) is that those are implementation issues, not to worry too much about in a preliminary discussion about the principle.
personally i think op's principles are sound, yet the toy is already broken in that regard ...
Good points, well made, all of which I feel highlights that any such change is far more complicated than it first appears because it may well involve a fundamental rewrite of the core game.
I’m not unsympathetic to the proposals, truly, though I might disagree with them for the most part. But Open-bonus/Open-only proposals that raise such heated debates and arguments indicate that to me the status quo may well be the lesser evil, where all players are equally unhappy
I used to play in solo a lot, so I can already tell you what would happen if this was implemented: Solo players would go to a dead system, log in open, grind x2 rewards, never interact with any players.
My home system in the bubble, I have never seen another player. You might think this would actually be different if more were in open, but if FD are to be believed, the majority of players already are.
My home system in the bubble, I have never seen another player. You might think this would actually be different if more were in open, but if FD are to be believed, the majority of players already are.
the status quo may well be the lesser evil, where all players are equally unhappy
quote of the day!!
I came to that same conclusion several years ago! I just don't think there's a simple/easy fix to this issue; and in some ways, the three-game modes system as it stands does offer the best compromise.But Open-bonus/Open-only proposals that raise such heated debates and arguments indicate that to me the status quo may well be the lesser evil, where all players are equally unhappy
Of course it could be implemented in a way as to give the bonus gradually the longer you've been logged on Open and doing stuff other than chilling docked. That'd prevent the abuse you mentioned.
But that's exactly the point, you can be both logged into to Open uninterrupted while still avoiding most if not all risk, especially post-carriers. Then you might say well we'll base the bonus on players instanced with, and it gets ever more complicated...
The next caveat will be that to get said bonus, not only would you need to be logged into open continuously, but it will need to be a system with XX number of other players logged in also, and maybe only a handful of systems would qualify.
Obvious exploits have been given for the proposal, but either misunderstood (or ignored) as they do not fit into the perceived scheme.
Of course, the X2 bonus should be subject of many changes and further balance. Nothing wrong with that. Also possible exploits that for sure will exist, should be fixed later.
It's been a couple of days is it an mmo again?
We’ll see in next week’s thread.
It depends...
Yup, another indication of how pertinent this topic is. It's either a new thread or necro, pick your poison.
I just hope they fix the issue where players in Solo/PG can have as much influence in the BGS as players in Open.
But it's not an issue, it's literally what FDev intended!
I will, if you're happy that solo gameplay can continue with no change - why not that open continues with no change?
As you say, continue playing as now, with no changes.
We all enjoy the game in the modes we choose to play - why is there always one that feels they deserve more than another! Just continue to play what you enjoy and let others enjoy the mode they enjoy.
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