Isn't alpine close enough to Taiga?
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I'd also argue we need a proper Grassland map for Europe, Asia and NA.
The current map is distinctly african Savannah, which doesn't fit.
So, I remember how ZT2 had the following biomes:
Alpine
Benthic
Boreal forest
Coastal
Desert
Grassland
Pelagic
Reef
Scrubland
Temperate forest
Tropical forest
Tundra
Wetland
It seems that, like y'all mentioned, the animals don't have their true biomes: one example is the African/Cape penguin, since I guess they tried to make "coastal" by giving it aquatic and desert. The aquatic tag is very inconsistent, as the saltie has it (makes sense as it's found on the coast, wetlands, and even open ocean), the gharial (really only rivers), caiman (rivers and wetlands), king penguins (tundra and aquatic). But them animals that do live in swamps, specifically the proboscis monkey, don't have it
Yeah, i remember how in ZT1 you had the option to choose saltwater or freshwater, both in the habitat or in the aquarium. I'm surprised that PZ doesn't have that option (I mean, we can pretend, but this would also add to the management issue: making sure certain species have enough salinity in their pools/water sources)
Actually I use a lot of cross-biome foliage in my habitats and it only drops 1% in welfare most of the time. It's nothing like how Zoo Tycoon used to be, which is why I think the game's mechanic is just fine, or at least not destructive in terms of creativity.
In fact there was some thread a few months ago where someone was talking about testing how much an effect incompatible foliage has on welfare, and according to that test it maxed out on 2-3%. For example if you place 1000 cacti or coconut trees in a polar bear habitat, your polar bear will have at least 97-98% welfare, if everything else is fine.
Therefore I do support the idea of correcting wrong biome tags even if it involves removing some tags, and in the case of the Arctic wolf it seems very obvious to me.
The foliage issue isn't a big deal, especially if they just add more plants in the future.
The biggest thing that needs to be done is splitting the aquatic tag into wetlands and coastal, which was mentioned elsewhere, which was mentioned by bearcat9948, if I remember correctly
Oh yeah, definitely. Perhaps they are waiting for some sort of fully aquatic-marine pack to differentiate between fresh and saltwater. I was simply commenting on the Arctic wolf taiga issue.
Definitely agree. Same goes for temperate biome for some of the newly added tropical animals like dwarf caiman, capuchin and Malayan tapir, and grassland for the babirusa.
They just use temperate as filler
Please elaborate? Because as far as I can remember, it was proven on another thread that these 3 animals are the only ones falling out of pattern compared to some other 30+ tropical-only animals on the roster, with 15 or so getting corrected by having their temperate biome tags removed at some point.
There are a lot of biomes inbetween what the game calls 'tropical' and 'temperate'. The games uses temprerate to cover these biomes, but as a result it means that tropical animals that get the temperate tag are also fine with subarctic temperate foliage, so in their attemptsto be inclusive of minor biomes they create inaccuracies on a larger scale.
The game classifies tropical and subtropical moist forests and monsoon forests as tropical. Tropical and subtropical dry forests and tree savannahs are classified as grassland. These four animals I've mentioned do not fit in with the classification method of the game itself, which is why they are inconsistent with the rest.
There is a thread on this very issue explaining what each biome represents and how more than a dozen animals had their temperate tags removed except for these 3 that were added to the game later, and thus missed the quality review changes.
I'm linking the thread below:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ate-biome-in-the-latest-two-dlc-packs.574850/
Actually the map itself is called "alpine" in the game. Noticed that when creating a new taiga zoo without a name. The generic name the game sets is "Alpine Zoo". They probably changed the name of the same biome to taiga at a later point in development. It is also called alpine in ZT3, another game made by Frontier. Basically alpine and taiga is used synonymously in the game.
Now that birds are all the talk, I returned to this thread and considered:
Would you guys rather aviary birds be on the same map with the habitats, exhibits, or an entirely different map?
Depending on how they're ultimately implemented (and, of course, assuming we actually even get them) I could see the merits of including them on the same map as habitats, as well as on their own map. Like, if it's possible to do mixed aviary/terrestrial animal enclosures then I see no reason to just separate them. But either way I think having a separate map would be neat to see, too.
I also don't recall if I actually ever posted in here before, but in case I hadn't: this is great, seriously. It's a really cool visualization and I thoroughly appreciate the effort you've put into this.
I also don't recall if I actually ever posted in here before, but in case I hadn't: this is great, seriously. It's a really cool visualization and I thoroughly appreciate the effort you've put into this.
Originally I had them together, but it got too crowded
I'm not really a supporter of adding new ZT2-style biomes; rather, just have more more foliage have multi-biome tags (e.g. if scrub is basically arid grassland, have "scrub" plants be tagged as both). Wetland plants can apply to either aquatic, tropical, or temperate.
I hope so as well, but in all likelihood it will be a NA pack