Mercs of Mikunn results after 3 weeks of effort - Also a request for documentation, in game and out
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You have someone in that faction who is back stabbing that faction. Alternates in USS are always back stab in my experience. I feel this is realistic. Just because you are from somewhere doesn't mean you are always interested in furthering the factions cause over personal gain.
I dont belive, it was devs intention to make it like that. I consider it as an another bug.
It doesnt make any sense from player perspective point of you. Specially if the system is build on faction influence. I understand that oppsite faction gives you alt proposal, but not your own. Come on.
Anyway i just executed NPC who again wanted from me to betray my own faction. LOL.
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Question of the day - How many people is 2 tons of slaves?
It doesnt make any sense from player perspective point of you. Specially if the system is build on faction influence. I understand that oppsite faction gives you alt proposal, but not your own. Come on.
Anyway i just executed NPC who again wanted from me to betray my own faction. LOL.
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Question of the day - How many people is 2 tons of slaves?
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I dont belive, it was devs intention to make it like that. I consider it as an another bug.
It doesnt make any sense from player perspective point of you. Specially if the system is build on faction influence. I understand that oppsite faction gives you alt proposal, but not your own. Come on.
Anyway i just executed NPC who again wanted from me to betray my own faction. LOL.
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Question of the day - How many people is 2 tons of slaves?
Sure it does. If you are the only faction in a system, and you look for the alternate path, the only person who can offer a backstab will of course be that faction because only that faction is present, and of course there are people who will do that.
Same logic applies to the missions that ask for illegal goods. Why would that faction ask for illegal goods when they have claimed they are illegal? Well... It's one guy looking for personal gain.
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Says he who told me when i said in HR that the dukes would need to take a station to raise their influence, and it was walt who told me i was misled, off on the wrong path, misleading others bla bla bla, basically did everything to discredit other points of view and insisted that the fact the crimson dragons had taken a station was because they were the initial faction....... and now must stand corrected on that particular point after micheal stated that yes regardless of if it was a expansion from another system or a native faction, u need to force a civil war to get station change.
So i think that we can bet pretty spot on that population and wealth play a big part in the impact each player can have, and its been proven elsewhere with small groups flipping small systems, but the same small groups have a hard time flipping more populated and wealthy systems. HR was a case in point it took 70 players a few weeks to even begin to flip a 33 million system but took 2 playes a matter of days to cause an expansion.
But time will tell as the devs havent been overly forthcoming on economics and population in any detail so it remains speculation, so while walt is spot on in some ways, his opinion is just that an opinion and until much more expereinece and outcoems are tested against the devs models, micheal pooles DDA documents are a better indicator and they do say that population is a very important factor on system influence. And not just a minor. Sorry to call u on this walt but after the pasting u gave me and the effort u put into discrediting me. And as im finding in pand it is possible to upgrade the wealth of a small system by trading to maximum where possible exports and imports and have markets grow and change each day that u may want to be a little bit more open to other points of view.
Thats all, hope the mikunn experiment is going well. as a test lets see how u go in the bigger systems versus my small scale effort in pand, that with maybe 1/10 the amount of pilots we should be able to tip the balance up here and into nearby systems much quicker as the biggest nearby system at most has 100000
With the same logic, sukra should fall quickly unless the federation faction gets outside help from the feds. And kwatee might be a bit harder i believe it is 10 million or a sizeable. Lets put both ideas to the test, and i bet theres a host of othe factors we havent even thought of yet.
I love this game, the possibilities are endless. Right now its more of an skeleton, would really like to see an road map for when the promised goddies will be included ( see frontiers dev.diares on YT were Sir David Braben talks about passengers, dynamic generated missions, gold rush, colonisation, factions with motives).
For the time being im leaving Mikunn until the background simulation give more of the promised goddies, thanks all for some exciting weeks. Havent had this blast in a pc game since DAOC or Star Wars Galaxies. I will be spending my time in the shady anarchy backwaters of Mikunn earning that credit for an AAA ASP.
We are weapons. There is the Emperor, and there is war. Nothing more.
For the time being im leaving Mikunn until the background simulation give more of the promised goddies, thanks all for some exciting weeks. Havent had this blast in a pc game since DAOC
or Star Wars Galaxies. I will be spending my time in the shady anarchy backwaters of Mikunn earning that credit for an AAA ASP.We are weapons. There is the Emperor, and there is war. Nothing more.
Active State in Mikunn: Boom
Seeking luxuries spawned, they want: Performance Enhancer
Just jump to Mapor, get your cargo-hold full and jump back to MIkunn, fly near one of the T9 in that Seeking luxuries and it will sell itself.
The best Station to get them is in Mapor.
1T of Performance Enhancer brings a profit of 2500 Credits.
Seeking luxuries spawned, they want: Performance Enhancer
Just jump to Mapor, get your cargo-hold full and jump back to MIkunn, fly near one of the T9 in that Seeking luxuries and it will sell itself.
The best Station to get them is in Mapor.
1T of Performance Enhancer brings a profit of 2500 Credits.
Not on my system.
No you said that influence freeze was because we hadn't captured a station, and that to unlock the freeze we needed to run missions in for Mikunn in those stations only. I said that couldn't be true because a similar thing wasn't happening in Lugh, and that I thought it was a bug.
It turned out to be a bug =p
You continually called things out as fact and I had to keep reminding you that we did not know ____ for sure. For example you say "HR was a case in point", not really because we spent so much of that time bugged (and it still is) we don't know how long it should have actually taken. So my position is that we still don't know, and that won't change until the bugs are gone and we start with a fresh system. Also you call HR wealthy and I'm not sure that's true either.
I never said wealth didn't play a factor. I don't know what wealth does to be honest so I haven't speculated so I don't know why you are "calling me out on it".
I hold my position that Michael Brooke's said that population doesn't play a factor in the difficulty in capturing a system, and I am pretty confident in that because he just said it... Whether or not I think it should doesn't play a factor.
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Thanks for confirming. Unfortunately we had civil war critical pending and it's gone (we got boom active though), but I'm not sure if it's gone because it "didn't stick" or because some problem with queue processing.
Really hoping they fix the system this next week.
I don't know the back story on this discussion but I think, on the population issue, he said it was a factor but didn't affect things as directly as people assumed.
Yup. I probably should have pasted his quote. I know that it has an indirect affect - the first quote is me talking about how trade good demand and surplus see an increase with pop.
Originally when I got Mikunn to expand so easily with two people I thought it was directly because of population, and I'm afraid the Mikunn thread (and me) is the cause of people assuming this. So now with me saying it "doesn't have an effect" I'm perhaps saying it a bit too strongly.
I expect population to be rather negligible in regards to other aspects - my guess now is that the further from the starter worlds you are the easier it is to effect a system. I would like to test this guess at some point, but it might be impossible with all the activity going on in those systems. Perhaps the activity in that region is why I saw so much success while working alone compared to Lugh...
Then again maybe they are all equal in difficulty.... I'm just trying to find a reason why it seemed so much easier over here, and I still don't know, but my guess is now on distance from the starter worlds.
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Just wanted to let you all know we've featured the latest Mikunn news in the latest unofficial Galnet report on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9RB4jQSrQ
Keep up the good work here; hopefully we'll be many steps closer to understanding how this game works by the time you're done!
Keep up the good work here; hopefully we'll be many steps closer to understanding how this game works by the time you're done!
No influence change in Exphiay system, where we are doing experiment with Crimson Dragons expansion. (I did almost 50 missions since yesturday)
It looks like devs didn't manually do it today.
Only BOOM status triggered here, also in Dragons home system Canopus. (+ some critical pending status of other things, but its nothing new)
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Also I've noticed (despite what M. Brooks told us), that if you take courier missions (like black data deliveries etc) from Dragon's Home system Canopus, which are directed to Dragon's in Exphiay IT DOES effect them in the system where they expanded to. Also it affects your reputation with them in both systems. I think some of missions from home system also raise their influence in expanded system. Maybe only by very little (as second effect), but I belive they do.
Other prove is by ONLY doing courier missions (delivering data) i build Friendly with opposite pirate faction in Exphiay. I'm doing this kind of missions from outside to destabilize system faster.
It looks like devs didn't manually do it today.
Only BOOM status triggered here, also in Dragons home system Canopus. (+ some critical pending status of other things, but its nothing new)
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Also I've noticed (despite what M. Brooks told us), that if you take courier missions (like black data deliveries etc) from Dragon's Home system Canopus, which are directed to Dragon's in Exphiay IT DOES effect them in the system where they expanded to. Also it affects your reputation with them in both systems. I think some of missions from home system also raise their influence in expanded system. Maybe only by very little (as second effect), but I belive they do.
Other prove is by ONLY doing courier missions (delivering data) i build Friendly with opposite pirate faction in Exphiay. I'm doing this kind of missions from outside to destabilize system faster.
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Yeah, they are probably running a script daily to process all the changes in the queue that are not processed automatically, but being Sunday they are not monitoring today. I hope that this doesn't cause a failure of triggering a civil war and having to start over again or whatever.
This is a release game in theory...
It is propably very easy to do, and could be done from one of the programmers home. Pity - Sunday - broken sim system - noone cares about so many players.
I don't belive it take much effort to do it - even manually, but devs must be addmited 100% to their child/product - like for exemple makers of Witcher are.
If it takes a lot of works to push the data - my apologies in advance, because sunday should be day of.
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SUCH . makes me mad. Everything is a secret. Nothing works right but they won't tell you how it works? It is all a vicious circle. I really don't think they even know. How in the hell can you put out a game that has such a complicated background system and not tell players how it works or what they need to do to accomplish tasks. It is really just unheard-of. And all this without even a real mission story line or Anything to do. No wonder they don't have mission stories for the take overs or systems pulling out of federation. They are so secret even FD cant keep up. FD you guys really need to get some better content and some mini goals into this game.
No influence change in my system either, but a Civil War did start at 17:00 game time.
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