Except many already said, me included, they will definitely give pp another punt if it goes open only. Besides, they have been talking with pp groups, following discussions here and elsewhere, and now they just askfor individual input. Not us second guessing their interpretation of metrics.
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Except many already said, me included, they will definitely give pp another punt if it goes open only. Besides, they have been talking with pp groups, following discussions here and elsewhere, and now they just askfor individual input. Not us second guessing their interpretation of metrics.
Basically though FDev can and does on occasion attmept to justify the whys, though it's a nice touch, they basically don't really have to. It's there ball, and if they want to change something, the bottom line is, they can just change something. They've made numerious changes since it's conception, some are and or were taking well by the throng, and some not. For some, the changes were game breakers, and for some, not. Due to the number of player's on four platforms, and the variety of differences between the platforms and the various players. Any change is or will never be accepted by EVERYONE.
The answer is more like;
Have you at any time felt that the peeps playing powerplay effected your game?
In my extensive experience in Elite Dangerous, power play is 'something over there' it does not effect my game. It registers a grand total of zero consequence to me. That's how important power play is to me. They can remove it, make it psycho only or dress it up in hoola-hoola-skirts, it will still be ignored by me.
If at any point Frontier make it so I have no option but to play in open, or make it so I am treated like a lesser player, I'll tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Goodbye OP. You will not be missed.
Sterling MH
Banned
Nope. Because half of those who WANT this unwanted-by-the-masses change use "But FD have the stats yours don't count" as fuel to KEEP the going. So giving the info would finally end the debate about what people do. You DO know that a lot of the debate is ABOUT those stats and the invalidity of them to prove you wrong, whoever "you" are or whatever "you" content.
So it WOULD have use, unless you think that the information would show your preferred narrative unsupported by hard data...
Sterling MH
Banned
Since the game was desinged for a single universe, only those who are ignorant would say "No". And therefore it is meaningless unless you want to posit that they remove the dynamic player affected galaxy, or make everyone playing "unfairly" have a different galaxy.
In solo when PP takes out a station that goes into lockdown, my game is affected. So therefore you should stop being able to do it in Open?
Lockdown is bgs, and can be countered in solo. Making pp open only has zero impact on it...
Hahaha nice post. You make an arguement for the importance of having hard data that doesn't support a narrative while using made up data that supports your own narrative.
It would serve no purpose because it doesn't matter what mode people are playing in ultimately. The only reason PP has been suggested as an open only mode is because from my understanding it was initially designed as a way for consensual collective pvp. Given that's the aim of that feature, having solo players able to defend or attack systems without any counter (apart from other players doing the same thing in solo - again, completely counter intuitive to the initial design of powerplay) is completely against, and detrimental to, the powerplay system. It makes perfect sense, and it only affects PP players. I'll try it if they move it to open only and make the other changes, I can say that.
Obviously, as with a lot of things, FD should probably have thought of this initially or addressed it sooner, but that's what Beyond is for. Also, you know that lockdown has nothing to do with PP right?
Oh, beat me to it
Sterling MH
Banned
Yet you only notice that when it's a narrative you don't agree with, and you only ever complain about it when the narrative is one you're against. which does dovetail nicely with why you don't want FD to give out the stats they have and keep your implausible deniability defence going against "your mode".
Yes, so it isn't called "lockdown". But I still get affected by PP in solo. Because it is one game. So either go play a different game or suck it up cupcakes, your game will be affected by others in a different mode.
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I wonder what is the percentage of Open players who don't really care about Power Play but instead want more live players to kill. The actions of a few have already turned off many to playing in Open. You think the game is going to be better with Open only Power Play? It is more likely going to be worse.
Those playing in Solo against NPCs will likely quit if they are forced to go against live players making Power Play even less desirable with few actually playing. From the Open aspect that won't change a thing except for new players who don't realize the new Power Play risks and get 'seal clubbed' on their first attempt. Then they will be leaving Power Play and Open as well.
Moving the equipment modules to Tech Brokers will add to this emptiness as they are a reward for Power Play. No need to play it just go buy them.
What does change is being required to have a high level of combat skills and an engineered ship to survive. All of this uproar to satisfy some players who are hungry for live kills. How long is a trading Asp or Diamondback going to survive? More likely combat engineered Corvettes and Cutters will become trading ships. Even then their survival goes down with wings of live players waiting for them.
And where does it end? Are Community Goals Next? Maybe Open Only Wings per all the new cargo delivery missions? How about system Lockdowns? Perhaps trading in rare commodities? Making massive changes to Open takes so much away from Solo and Group until there won't be much of anything left. Some Open players would love that. Forcing Open only play on anyone is wrong. Taking game play features away from Solo is wrong. Coming up with better solutions without going to Open only is right.
Balancing all three play modes is never going to be perfect. There will be trade-offs and advantages. For PvPers Open already has engineering to take combat to an advanced level of game play. That leaves out new players until they can come up to speed. Engineering also makes the game easier for Solo players. It was a win-win for everyone. Open only play swings the pendulum way too far in one direction upsetting the balance for many to satisfy a few.
Resolve the above concerns and then we just might be moving towards a working solution.
Those playing in Solo against NPCs will likely quit if they are forced to go against live players making Power Play even less desirable with few actually playing. From the Open aspect that won't change a thing except for new players who don't realize the new Power Play risks and get 'seal clubbed' on their first attempt. Then they will be leaving Power Play and Open as well.
Moving the equipment modules to Tech Brokers will add to this emptiness as they are a reward for Power Play. No need to play it just go buy them.
What does change is being required to have a high level of combat skills and an engineered ship to survive. All of this uproar to satisfy some players who are hungry for live kills. How long is a trading Asp or Diamondback going to survive? More likely combat engineered Corvettes and Cutters will become trading ships. Even then their survival goes down with wings of live players waiting for them.
And where does it end? Are Community Goals Next? Maybe Open Only Wings per all the new cargo delivery missions? How about system Lockdowns? Perhaps trading in rare commodities? Making massive changes to Open takes so much away from Solo and Group until there won't be much of anything left. Some Open players would love that. Forcing Open only play on anyone is wrong. Taking game play features away from Solo is wrong. Coming up with better solutions without going to Open only is right.
Balancing all three play modes is never going to be perfect. There will be trade-offs and advantages. For PvPers Open already has engineering to take combat to an advanced level of game play. That leaves out new players until they can come up to speed. Engineering also makes the game easier for Solo players. It was a win-win for everyone. Open only play swings the pendulum way too far in one direction upsetting the balance for many to satisfy a few.
Resolve the above concerns and then we just might be moving towards a working solution.
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Sterling MH
Banned
Near 100% of those who post at all for the PvP change. You would be able to count them on the fingers of one foot, near enough, the ones who don't want the change for target corralling.
DeathStroke
Banned
Not playing in open ever again. There's no reason to. FD can stuff PP where the sun don't shine.
I hope people like OP would realize that PP being open only is meant to get players who cannot handle open gameplay out of open as much as it is about getting the people who can handle it into open. We will gain more than we lose. And we ain't losing much.
Modes are not created equal nor should they be equal. But despite that they are. You are missing nothing from solo play except Power Play with other people which was always meant as a multiplayer mechanic. It selfish of you to attempt to deny other players a great experience because of such a poor reason. Selfish.
Modes are not created equal nor should they be equal. But despite that they are. You are missing nothing from solo play except Power Play with other people which was always meant as a multiplayer mechanic. It selfish of you to attempt to deny other players a great experience because of such a poor reason. Selfish.
I hereby declare that I play on PS4, so you've effectively been playing in Solo this entire time from my perspective
Apart from the fact that Frontier openly sold Elite as both a Single Player AND Multi-Player game from the get go...it was never marketed as "limited gameplay in Single-player mode, full gameplay available in PvP mode" was it??? That's EVEN ignoring that Frontier has until recently referred to all Modes as Equal...and that even NOW their website goes to great lengths to stress that Players in ALL modes affect the game equally...
Which is quite literally the opposite of "missing nothing" (IE: Missing Something) and indeed not merely missing...but being LOCKED out of currently EXISTING content as a result of a Frontier Policy Decision (to get more Players in Open)
Allow me to introduce you to the Frontier Developments Powerplay Page
https://www.elitedangerous.com/en/story/powerplay
I'm sure you can read and comprehend for yourself, but highlights include...
Every player's choices and actions can impact the balance of galactic power Every player influences their chosen Power's weekly tactical decisions
Your regular in-game activity will contribute to your Power's dominance
Players can further support their chosen Power with freeform activities and emergent play
If OP is such an important person that thousands of players will follow him into his protest...
Sorry, but LOL
Sorry, but LOL
Muahahah...thought somethings similar...
You don't feel that Frontier risks alienating 50% of its Playerbase if it simply and peremptorily locks them out of currently existing Gameplay?
You don't think that Frontier risks significant reputational damage if it transitions a game that was sold as single-player AND multi-player towards a multi-player ONLY universe AFTER people have purchased it?
You don't think that for a substantial proportion of the Player base currently playing as Single-Players that if the choice is between Playing Elite in PvP or Playing Thrones of Britannia/Crusader Kings 2/IL2 Battle of Kuban/DCS World/Stellaris/XCom 2 etc etc (insert single player game of choice here) in their preferred mode will simply choose to abandon Elite?
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