Modes Obligatory "Merge solo, open, private groups" thread

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Frontier chose to implement a feature that offers players the option (but no requirement) to engage in consensual PvP - that there are players that consider that any participant should play in Open is obvious - however it is just as obvious that Frontier did not design it that way.

Direct PvP (even consensual direct PvP) remains optional in this game.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Reality overload?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ziggy. Ill say it again. YOU ADMITTED You have nothing to do with this part of the game.

Why do you think your input is valuable. If you dont do anything with it?

I dont know what point you're trying to get at.

The point is: the value of my input is determined 100% by the content of that input.

You are determining the value by the character making the argument, which is a fallacy called Ad Hominem.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Reality overload?

Nah, youre just popping out random statements. Like I dont understand the game. All while dancing around the questions I asked you that you refuse to answer.

its okay. I get it. Troll all youd like.

The point is: the value of my input is determined 100% by the content of that input.

You are determining the value by the character making the argument, which is a fallacy called Ad Hominem.

You have no content to input.

 

[Goose4291]

You owe me a cup of coffee... i cant stop laughing

 

[Robert Maynard]

Nah, youre just popping out random statements. Like I dont understand the game. All while dancing around the questions I asked you that you refuse to answer.

its okay. I get it. Troll all youd like.

Not random statements no. The issue (for some) regarding the fact that all players in all modes affect the single shared galaxy state is, in my opinion, simply a perpetual re-run of the interminable PvP / PvE debate, i.e. some players contend that every player affecting the game should play where they can be attacked and some players don't share that opinion.

Frontier, however, designed their game to let players choose whether they wanted to play among other players while at the same time ensuring that all players both experience and affect the single shared galaxy state.

They are aware that not all players agree with their stance.

It really is that simple.

 

[Han_Zen]

Even if PowerPlay over-rode a PvP flag it does not over-ride mode selection.

It could though. The matchmaking filter is dynamic in the sense that it can change during play(after mode section). It does, when we join a wing.

A PP player in Solo/PG could receive a message like 'You are now entering an enemy system and may be attacked by hostile Commanders. Be careful'. when jumping in to an enemy PP system. The matchmaking filter would then allow other PP players(in all modes) to see you.

In PP systems, you would be in 'PP mode'. In other systems you would be in your pre-selected mode.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You have no content to input.

Not just a river in Egypt then.

 

[Mouse]

Nah, youre just popping out random statements. Like I dont understand the game. All while dancing around the questions I asked you that you refuse to answer.

its okay. I get it. Troll all youd like.



You have no content to input.

Saying Ziggy has no content to input is like saying you are a mod... neither is true. And by the way, if you are going to insult me by calling me a "Forum Dad" at least call me a "Forum Mom".

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Not random statements no. The issue (for some) regarding the fact that all players in all modes affect the single shared galaxy state is, in my opinion, simply a perpetual re-run of the interminable PvP / PvE debate, i.e. some players contend that every player affecting the game should play where they can be attacked and some players don't share that opinion.

Frontier, however, designed their game to let players choose whether they wanted to play among other players while at the same time ensuring that all players both experience and affect the single shared galaxy state.

They are aware that not all players agree with their stance.

It really is that simple.

They are also aware of the imbalance. Just because they didnt do something then. DOES NOT mean they wont do something in the future. And if their reaction to the community back when they discussed it was based off their community. Then they need to be listening to the people who are active in these activities. And not the majority of the people here fighting against it.

Its really just that simple.

 

[Mouse]

Not random statements no. The issue (for some) regarding the fact that all players in all modes affect the single shared galaxy state is, in my opinion, simply a perpetual re-run of the interminable PvP / PvE debate, i.e. some players contend that every player affecting the game should play where they can be attacked and some players don't share that opinion.

Frontier, however, designed their game to let players choose whether they wanted to play among other players while at the same time ensuring that all players both experience and affect the single shared galaxy state.

They are aware that not all players agree with their stance.

It really is that simple.

Well said +1000 units of Cubeo Razorback Bacon

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Saying Ziggy has no content to input is like saying you are a mod... neither is true. And by the way, if you are going to insult me by calling me a "Forum Dad" at least call me a "Forum Mom".

Can I call you Forum Mom as well? Forum Mom sounds like an honourary title.

 

[Robert Maynard]

It could though. The matchmaking filter is dynamic in the sense that it can change during play(after mode section). It does, when we join a wing.

A PP player in Solo/PG could receive a message like 'You are now entering an enemy system and may be attacked by hostile Commanders. Be careful'. when jumping in to an enemy PP system. The matchmaking filter would then allow other PP players(in all modes) to see you.

In PP systems, you would be in 'PP mode'. In other systems you would be in your pre-selected mode.

Anything is possible - what it would require is Frontier to remove player choice regarding game mode when participating in existing bought and paid for content. That seems unlikely.

Plus the fact that console players without premium platform access would be unable to engage in any Open locked content as they cannot play in either of the multi-player game modes.

 

[Mouse]

Can I call you Forum Mom as well? Forum Mom sounds like an honourary title.

As you wish

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Anything is possible - what it would require is Frontier to remove player choice regarding game mode when participating in existing bought and paid for content. That seems unlikely.

Plus the fact that console players without premium platform access would be unable to engage in any Open locked content as they cannot play in either of the multi-player game modes.

BUY PREMIUM PASSES LIKE EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER GAME THEY HAVE TO PLAY.

HOLY CRAP!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As you wish

Thanks mom

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

NO maynard. Im talking about the people involved in Group Vs Group activities, and their involvement. He doesnt get involved.

Man you're really good at trying to derail the subject.

HAVE YOU EVER ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS? Or did you just decide to answer my question with a question?

Was Powerplay Successful as part of a Consensual PVP program as Sandro Mentioned. Or does the Majority of the community think it failed. Mainly because the main selling point. THE PVP PART, IS IMPOSSIBLE when someone is in Solo taking that objective.

Did it fail?



It is broke. People are interfering with others enjoyment through the game modes. They want to be the only commander in the universe! Oh by the way im attacking this player faction. Dont mind me...

You again take things desperatly out of context, something you regularily acuse others of.

Sandro does not just state that PP was designed 'for consensual pvp' and only for that, his response was to a comment on C&P which was suggesting pvp would be impossible. No where has he stated it was designed only for pvp or only for one mode. [up]

 

[Robert Maynard]

They are also aware of the imbalance. Just because they didnt do something then. DOES NOT mean they wont do something in the future. And if their reaction to the community back when they discussed it was based off their community. Then they need to be listening to the people who are active in these activities. And not the majority of the people here fighting against it.

Its really just that simple.

Sandro did muse about a bonus for PowerPlay for participation in Open - that's a fact. Equally, he did not consider that it should be applied to the BGS. That nothing has changed in that regard in the two and a bit years since his musings is also a fact.

Lack of previous action does not preclude action in the future - however it does not guarantee it either.

Are you suggesting that Frontier should not listen to all of their player-base?

.... and if the majority of people on their official forums are fighting against it why would they change it?

 

[Robert Maynard]

BUY PREMIUM PASSES LIKE EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER GAME THEY HAVE TO PLAY.

HOLY CRAP!

All console players (and everyone else who has bought the game) bought a game where there is no requirement to play in a multi-player game mode to affect the economy, politics and conflicts of the connected galaxy.

.... and the current game advertising still states that simple fact.

 

[Mouse]

BUY PREMIUM PASSES LIKE EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER GAME THEY HAVE TO PLAY.

HOLY CRAP!

Caps lock... and why don't you go and buy all the Xbox players the passes since you feel they should be forced to buy them to play Elite Dangerous.