Open letter to Frontier

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But doesn't that just say more about your personal issues than anything about the game? Why can't you cope with someone killing you over an AI - the result is the same and in your example, the rock doesn't care either way if you got hurt. You would probably kick the rock though if it fell on it's own whereas the rest of us would just move along. The issue is you have a problem with people getting one over on you whereas the AI you don't care about. That's kind of a weird thing to worry about.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that psychos are irritating whether they're npc or human. Getting jumped 1v4 because you're wanted is your fault. Getting jumped because you exist? That's annoying, and shame on FD for making poor design choices and leaving them as they are for so long.
 
However, that was the point the OP was making. This wasn't done in Open, it was a private group with specific rules. Rules that this group of players deliberately and with malice chose to break. Players who eschew PvP are constantly told to stay out of Open and play in solo or private groups, only to find that even in those private groups they cannot avoid having to deal with these very same, I'd call them numpties, but that would be an insult... to numpties, who don't deserve that.

I'll play the game the way I choose, and I'll thank you to respect that choice as I respect the choice you made. If you wish to join Mobius then abide by it's rules. If you cannot abide by the rules, please notify Mobius and I am sure he will respect your choice, as I would, by placing you on the blocked list.

You're missing the point. I'm not saying I approve. I don't. I fly in open mostly, I have flown in mobius and other private groups when I want to not have to worry too much about being randomly ganked. The point is that FD have no issue with griefing, nor with people invading a private group to cause mischief. They broke the rules of the private group, but not the rules of the game. It's up to mobius to police their members, not FD. This will happen again, I guarantee it and FD will not do anything about it. They quietly approve of this style of gameplay. If the style of gameplay that is approved by FD doesn't sit well with a player, then perhaps that player should play something else. That's all I'm saying.

Tldr, fd approve this style of gameplay. If people don't like it, play another game.
 
Why is combat logging against the rules again?

It isn't. The only 'rules' are those contractually agreed by the customer, as laid out in the EULA - which (obviously) does not state that exiting from a game is contrary to the terms. The claim that so-called 'combat logging' is against any kind of rule is based on the entirely erroneous idea that a posting from someone from Frontier can amend a legally-binding contract.
 
It is a puzzle is it not? Am I not allowed to decide when and how I want to close the game I bought on my pc? Am I not allowed to decide when to sever the connection to the internet whenever I want?


Yep in a multiplayer game while in combat with each other thats not allowed & frankly quite asocial.

hardly a puzzel he?
 
Quite a puzzel, the one antisocial behaviour is cool and supported (griefing) while when you dare to to do something unsocial that could hurt the feeling of the griefer you get shadow banned. Its a bit weird to be honest.

then you have it wrong , i will explain in bad english. When launching the game you can choose 3 modes. 2 of them im not in. get it?

edit: and now you guys tricked me into making this like the other tread.

i was reffering at combat logging in open. and i dunno whats fd stance for getting into a group and killing ppl (ingame)
 
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Open pve mode and we are sorted.
Plenty other games have pve only servers so why not drop one in here and see how busy that mode gets, very very busy i bet.

I support this! But i guess that would require some additional coding, better to slice up ED and sell it in parts instead...
 
Whats that got do with griefing and combat logging?

dunno griefing ( like hacking accounts and make real life death treats) i was not talking about that either.

combat logging i cannot explain more simpel then above for you sorry. find teh tread where fd explains its a expliot
 
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dunno griefing ( like hacking accounts and make real life death treats) i was not talking about that either.

combat logging i cannot explain more simpel then above for you sorry.
I don't really disagree that combat logging is not alright, it isn't. I just wonder why unsportsman behaviour against a PvP is so bad while unsportsman behaviour against someone doing PvE is allright, please keep doing it.

Because thats how the game is designed, I know I know. But why? Why does FD so not want to provide a non PvP Multiplayer option? Its so confusing because ingame they give pretty much no rewards to PvP in any way and all is about PvE when it comes to Missions, the BGS, PP and all that so that is all in favor of PvE players. Its just looks so conflicting is kinda irritating.
 

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Absolutely not, speaking for myself only, as effectively there could be 20-30 NPC ships for me to hide amongst, meaning poor little PvP Timmy is stuck wading through perhaps dozens of interdictions to find someone to "grief" But little Timmy on the other hand will certainly run crying to mummy Frontier demanding that he MUST be able to specifically target CMDR's cos' otherwise it's just not fair.

As for more challenging NPC's bring em' on. But, me-thinks, if Mr Brooks assertion that NPCs will have new tactics to deal with reverse flying and possibly ramming, I think PvP players who largely depend upon these techniques are in for a very sudden and painful wakeup call.

I am however in agreement with the OP's sentiments. it is long since time past that this nonsense be dealt with. Applying a band-aid to Open is not going to fix the problem which, unfortunately, is what is being investigated by Frontier. This needs drastic surgery. As someone else said. "As a PvE player I do not need you in my universe, but you as a PvP player do need me". So to the PvP players I suggest "Physician heal thy self" and stop blaming everyone else for the Open desert that you have made. To Frontier, I respectfully ask, create a formal Open PvE mode based upon Mobius rules, then start tinkering with the rules within the galaxy.

The other glaring elephant in the room is that if you make the AI harder that = longer which means getting up ranks = more grind. Knowing how little thought FD put into things, they need to make sure they re-evaluate the ranking system (for those people that care about it).
 
I don't really disagree that combat logging is not alright, it isn't. I just wonder why unsportsman behaviour against a PvP is so bad while unsportsman behaviour against someone doing PvE is allright, please keep doing it.

Because thats how the game is designed, I know I know. But why? Why does FD so not want to provide a non PvP Multiplayer option? Its so confusing because ingame they give pretty much no rewards to PvP in any way and all is about PvE when it comes to Missions, the BGS, PP and all that so that is all in favor of PvE players. Its just looks so conflicting is kinda irritating.


Good Q , for me persenol i dont need a reward for pvp , mainly because its rather easy to make credits ingame. esp taking on bigger ships and more or better pilots and win (sometimes lol) gives me a good feeling and im happy with that. in open ofcourse.

i will not defend that dcd guys , but i can understand the feeling of working together hard and hours upon hours , just to see it falls down by ppl who you cannot defend against. in open ppl have change to defend themselve.
 
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