Opinion: 10 LY range for colonization is ridiculously low.

Desirsar

Desirsar
Some people are really attached to the idea of denying other players access to things. Try EVE instead.

The benefit to colonization is a place to expand your PMF, PP power, or just so there's any stations available in that area at all. I guess if your goal is one dimensional to be able to lord over other players, it's not worth the cost, but any cost sounds just fine to everyone else.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Desirsar said:
Some people are really attached to the idea of denying other players access to things. Try EVE instead.

The benefit to colonization is a place to expand your PMF, PP power, or just so there's any stations available in that area at all. I guess if your goal is one dimensional to be able to lord over other players, it's not worth the cost, but any cost sounds just fine to everyone else.
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It's not "your" PMF though. PP, sure, though that's more "shared direction" through membership in that power but nobody "owns" factions in game though, not even pmfs.

Explicitly, being part of a Power means you have access to a limited subset of actions that can support the power you belong to, or damage the other Powers. That is, you can't help reinforce one of, say, Winter's systems, when you work for Patreus.

But factions. Anyone can do anything anyone else could do with that faction, because there is no ownership or membership of a faction.
 

KrixtinaViperX

KrixtinaViperX
The game can be empty enough in the bubble - but I still want to see it. I want to be able to visit all this stuff that's been set up. I want to be able to use it as stepping stones outwards. 10 ly seems great to me. You can easily jump it in a sidewinder.
 

zimms

zimms
Michael Ryan said:
If you have 40 ly, once a week you need 1630 weeks to get this from the Bubble, what means 31 years.
Even if you could start from the Sagittarius it is still around 20 years.
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But is a daisy-chain from Sol to SagA really something we should be striving for? I'm not sure if I actually want to see that.

Frontier have said that they want us to grow the bubble at first. I guess it would be possible for them to "seed" some remote systems for us in the future - preferably with some narrative behind it. We could use that, once we have stomped the last Thargoid. (I don't think we actually ever will though.)
 

Michael Ryan

Michael Ryan
zimms said:
But is a daisy-chain from Sol to SagA really something we should be striving for? I'm not sure if I actually want to see that.

Frontier have said that they want us to grow the bubble at first. I guess it would be possible for them to "seed" some remote systems for us in the future - preferably with some narrative behind it. We could use that, once we have stomped the last Thargoid. (I don't think we actually ever will though.)
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I think too much assumptions here:

1. Other players maybe want to do some minibubble somewhere ofr own reason, and own narration. Ot at least have a base somewhere in the void of the galaxy
2. There is possible than Frontier doesn't want to manually lead the narration in the game, soe it is better to give more possibility to the players.
3. I don't think than after so much work put into Thargoid war they want to erase them from the Galaxy after 40 years existings in Elite games.
 

Michael Ryan

Michael Ryan
I started buidling "bubble for all explorers" in Trojan Belt. I put there two fully-equipped Fleet Carrier as a stations in the Arcadia system. It is 36k Ly from the Bubble, so... even with 500 colonisation range I would need 75 weeks to reach that system with daisy-chain :D
 

Jumpin' Jack Flash

Jumpin' Jack Flash
Hi :)

Koma Pahu said:
If they’d called it Rebuilding the Bubble or something 10ly would seem a more reasonable distance to a lot of people.
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Now that's a thought. :unsure:.....(y)
I, like many others assume the colonisation process is generally going away from the inhabited areas, outside of the present bubble...we'll just have to wait and see how the present gameplay progresses in the coming months, and if that gameplay around Sol and surrounding Systems has any bearing on the future of the colonisation feature.:)

Jack :)
 

Jinx Chrome

Jinx Chrome
Koma Pahu said:
The idea came to me when I saw my alt’s “home system” had a population of zero when I came back to the game and found the Titans had moved in.

I was expecting rebuilding CGs, but this could be a more interesting way of dealing with the aftermath of the Thargoid War.

Our CMDRs live in Interesting times. 😃
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I would like to find ruins of settlements in the bubble, explore them, maybe do some support/rescue missions. Would be nice to get a bit different designs of the destroyed settlements or even new game loops.
For colonization outside the bubble I don't say we shouldn't have it at all but even if 99.9% of players have a kind of cooperative mindset in Elite, the 0.1% are the problem who will squat in Beagle Point, Veil West Nebula, etc. and attract gankers who find it a joy to attack an exploration ship.
 

John Xenir

John Xenir
I guess I am among those who understood "colonization" as a process of settling outside of already-settled system, or the bubble.
In the end - and I have not checked - how many uncolonized system are there in the bubble? If you switch to power play view in the map, there don't seem to be odd black bubbles of no alignment towards any major faction, so it was my understanding that every system within inhabited bubble has a population with alignment towards this or that power. But as I said, I haven't checked.

At this point in my post I wanted to say that maybe we should hear from FDev about their vision of what colonization is about, whether it's a tool that anyone can take to shape the galaxy however they see fit (including creating settlement far outside the bubble and just about anywhere unclaimed), or whether it's more PP-oriented activity to occur within the bubble. But once again, I get the impression they themselves have no actual finalized vision of it, because otherwise why not clearly sharing 10Ly as a test setting that they'll expand in the future to allow for what we want, even conditionally? I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

Jinx Chrome said:
For colonization outside the bubble I don't say we shouldn't have it at all but even if 99.9% of players have a kind of cooperative mindset in Elite, the 0.1% are the problem who will squat in Beagle Point, Veil West Nebula, etc. and attract gankers who find it a joy to attack an exploration ship.
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And what do you base your presumption on, as well as why do you perceive it a "problem"? Does it really require - after 10 years of existence - to keep reminding people this game can be played however one wants?
 

KKomrade Sylas

KKomrade Sylas
Mersozz said:
The question I have is who has access to that new colonization contact…. Just the system architect, or anyone in the system?
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Everyone, it's just a contact.

The way it works is that every system has a colonization contact, you select it, and then you will be brought over to the galaxy map where a 'range bubble' will appear and you will be able to select an uncolonized system and place a claim to it, making you the system architecht. Asking if only the system architect has access to the colonization contact is I'm afraid a bit of a nonsensical question
 

KrixtinaViperX

KrixtinaViperX
John Xenir said:
I guess I am among those who understood "colonization" as a process of settling outside of already-settled system, or the bubble.
In the end - and I have not checked - how many uncolonized system are there in the bubble? If you switch to power play view in the map, there don't seem to be odd black bubbles of no alignment towards any major faction, so it was my understanding that every system within inhabited bubble has a population with alignment towards this or that power. But as I said, I haven't checked.
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If you haven't checked, what is the point of your post? You can look up systems in Inara. There are plenty. If you look around the edges of the bubble, there are literally hundreds of thousands. Maybe check next time you post an opinion? It's not very hard.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Koma Pahu said:
The idea came to me when I saw my alt’s “home system” had a population of zero when I came back to the game and found the Titans had moved in.

I was expecting rebuilding CGs, but this could be a more interesting way of dealing with the aftermath of the Thargoid War.

Our CMDRs live in Interesting times. 😃
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Functionally, that's what the repair phase is for. Unfortunately, unlike the pre-titan invasions which just had a static resupply requirement (which could remain for months simply through inattention)... repair phase for the Titan war just sees stations repaired after a week in the recovery phase.

Bit of a downgrade imo, but FD went all-in with the weekly tick mechanic on this occasion.
 

Easy

Easy
Apologies if this has been addressed. We are talking about planetary surface installations, not orbital stations correct?

Any idea if they will be the city style or the Odyssey settlement style or something entirely new?
 

KKomrade Sylas

KKomrade Sylas
Easy said:
Apologies if this has been addressed. We are talking about planetary surface installations, not orbital stations correct?

Any idea if they will be the city style or the Odyssey settlement style or something entirely new?
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Not sure who you are replying to, and it's not that easy to just read every comment back so just assuming you're asking about the Colonization feature in general:

You will be able to build both orbital stations and planetary stuff.

Frontier have pretty much confirmed they will be like all the already existing assets in the game. As far as surface installations go, there are 3 types already in the game: Horizons Settlements (Undockable, just mission targets with a datalink really), Horizon Planetary Ports (They look like small cities, have been in the game for a while, usually large pad dockables) and Odyssey Settlements.

As for anything "New", the only confirmed thing I guess would be that there's going to be an "in construction" state to them where the planetary port/installation will have unfinished assets and just a ton of shipping containers on the ground.

There might be multiple stages of completion but that's it.

No you won't be able to build cities. They haven't confirmed you won't, but they also haven't confirmed you won't be able to ride a dinosaur like a horse either. I wouldn't get hyped out of something I made up in my head when they haven't confirmed nor hinted at that
 
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