Peops who log off during a dual!!

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Not everyone is playing for PVP you are correct but if you are in open mode you still need to be aware of the risks of getting shot at by another player, this is part of the game and you can't just QQ cause you got shot in open mode and say I am only playing PVE.

No "QQ" here - simply stating that assuming consent is as likely to be as accurate as any assumption. Playing in open is playing in open - that's the open to all multi-player group - the fact that PvP is possible does not mean that it is welcomed by all targets, i.e. not consented to.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I assume nothing, nor is it opinion, open mode caters to open pvp, it does not require additional consent, there are no voluntary pvp flags, entering open play you are agreeing to abide by the rules of the game mode. So I return to an earlier comment you saw fit to comment on, they should not have entered open mode if they do not consent to open pvp, alternatives are provided; there are no if's and's or but's, however, it would seem it needs repeating to some folks until it starts to sink in.

So, only those who desire PvP should play in open? That viewpoint seems to promote playing in private groups for the less combative players - which seems to be contrary to the complaints from some of the more combative players that there are no traders in open.... Seems to be a difficult problem to solve satisfactorily for all play-styles.
 
No "QQ" here - simply stating that assuming consent is as likely to be as accurate as any assumption. Playing in open is playing in open - that's the open to all multi-player group - the fact that PvP is possible does not mean that it is welcomed by all targets, i.e. not consented to.

Does not matter if it is welcomed or not, it is a possibility, therefore electing to play in open mode gives express consent for it to take place.
 
People are entitled to use the 15 seconds Log off.
It is a legitimate game mechanic.

When you play open you agree to all the possible game mechanics.

If like me you don't like it, do as I do and put the player on your block list.
You don't want to be playing with them again anyway.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Does not matter if it is welcomed or not, it is a possibility, therefore electing to play in open mode gives express consent for it to take place.

That's rather an extreme position regarding consent - given that we live in a PvP world and that there are people that are happy to use beat people up for no apparent reason, does anyone with a need to beat someone up have express consent from every other member of society?

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If one decides to play chess, he consents to the rules of chess. If one decides to join open play, he consents to the rules of open play.

Chess (between humans) is PvP by nature - possibly not the best analogy.
 
I assume nothing, nor is it opinion, open mode caters to open pvp, it does not require additional consent, there are no voluntary pvp flags, entering open play you are agreeing to abide by the rules of the game mode. So I return to an earlier comment you saw fit to comment on, they should not have entered open mode if they do not consent to open pvp, alternatives are provided; there are no if's and's or but's, however, it would seem it needs repeating to some folks until it starts to sink in.

Your premise is correct but your conclusion is flawed. The 'rules' (or lack of) in open mode do not cater for PvP. Open mode is the sandbox, no rules, anything goes, mode. You are allowed to do almost anything in Open including killing a much inferior ship, or using any means to avoid being killed.

Open is quite definitely not fair, so seems unsuited for PvP where rules (and fair play) are required. Of course, if fair play is not required then PvP is certainly allowed in Open, just don't complain that someone cheated and broke the rules. There aren't any.
 
That's rather an extreme position regarding consent - given that we live in a PvP world and that there are people that are happy to use beat people up for no apparent reason, does anyone with a need to beat someone up have express consent from every other member of society?

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Chess (between humans) is PvP by nature - possibly not the best analogy.

PVP is a rule of open play - possibly not the best reply.
 
The grammar bit is, yes. :D But my other point isn't. You attacked someone without prior contact and agreement - it's not a "duel" by any stretch.

They're in the open mode, therefore have consented to PvP.
For those gentle folk who don't wish to indulge in the full game, there is Solo Mode or Group Mode.
 
Doesn't sound like piracy to me. I thought the idea of piracy was to collect cargo not destroy the cargo.

If you want to kill players then go to a conflict zone. Then if they log off during combat feel free to have a rant.

They need a slap full stop, happened a few times now!! I like a bit of piracy you know blow peops up steal there cargo.

But hey guess what when you nearly destroy them they log off!!!

Open play is flawed this needs fixing like many others things.

Rant over

Bosh
 
Open is quite definitely not fair, so seems unsuited for PvP where rules (and fair play) are required. Of course, if fair play is not required then PvP is certainly allowed in Open, just don't complain that someone cheated and broke the rules. There aren't any.

I wouldn't agree that it is not fair. Having better ship and more money is advantage, fair advantage, huge advantage, motivating advantage, based on in game progression. It is hard but not impossible to win just with skills, and swarn of basic sidewinders can be lethal. Thinking about your next moves is needed, just avoiding dangerous situations if you dont want to fight, choose longer but safer paths, other ports, systems etc.
 

Jex =TE=

Banned
So they didn't feel like PVP. I have no problems with people who log off, this is not a competitive PVP game and they evidently have different interests than you. The idea that people should "have to" play solo in order to avoid hurting the feelings of thieves and vandals is just weird.

Just go try someone else.

I'll come round and pull the plug out of your TV when your watching a dvd and see how you like that.
 

Rafe Zetter

Banned
I'm guessing your post is a joke. Sadly probably not.

Comments that Open is for PvP only, or implies consensual PvP, are plainly wrong (along the lines of:"You've submitted to my interdiction so now you've agreed to fight me to the death"). PvP means Player vs Player that's it; The only reason it's synonymous with player against player combat is because in most cases that's all that was possible for actual toon interaction apart from chat, the second you launch "open" you are in PvP, it's just not so obvious. Submitting to interdiction is different from trying to run away like your hair is on fire, and "submitting".. go look that word up. If you submit you are by definition agreeing to all that follows, otherwise you do your best to escape.

There will certainly be some (increasingly rare) opportunity for random PvP in Open, but players (both attacker and defender) may 'cheat' so there are risks to our gameplay satisfaction if we look for PvP fair play in Open.

Calls for Open to be a default PvP group mode do not take into account the size, no rules, sandbox design of Open. It is a very unsatisfactory arena for PvP (except for scripted events such as combat zones and capital ships) and unlikely to provide good PvP gameplay. In any case Private Groups provide the rules based PvP option so no need for Open to duplicate that. E: D is not designed to HAVE PvP in a special little box like all the other games. It's just two modes "Open" and "Closed (solo)" - and just to clarify I'm NOT a fan of "Always on PvP combat, regardless of which side you are on" - when the topic was raised on the forums, I was a VERY vehemant and LOUD protestor strictly AGAINST "always on PvP" you check my posts for yourself - I hated it in WoW and no doubt I'll hate it once I actually start to play E: D, at some point in the future when I think the game isn't like a maze where the walls keep randomly moving.

'cheating' is, of course in the eye of the beholder. FD have stated categorically they will deal with cheats, so report any behaviour you feel is cheating (or even unfair) and if FD agrees with you it will be dealt with. I don't know if there is an official post on how this will be discouraged, but personally I think repeat offenders should have "sin bin" timers on login availability with increasing time amounts and if it gets that far, a permaban with liquidation of assets.

Simply put - "Open = player interaction which INCLUDES the possibility of players killing you; intentionally (at least he's honest) or because you're his wingman and you hit him with a stray shot and he's an 8 yr old with control issues" - it's all laid out and VERY CLEARLY stated in thousands of places. If you do not like the possibility of a commander killing you for whatever reason; piracy/ you took his asteroid/ he wants your asteroid/ you bumped him in docking/ he was right behind you and got killed in the station crossfire and it's "all your fault" and a hundred other reasons I can think of.... DO NOT play in OPEN; otherwise, take your lumps and get better at it - or (go away) off.

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Anyone in open has consented to the non consensual attack of a human player, just as by playing the game (in any format) they accept they maybe will be non consensualy attacked by an NPC.

Inherent to the game is non solicited aggression by third parties be they human of AI.
 
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