YES, thank you.
It really should be halved again. But hey, at least they listened the first time.
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YES, thank you.
It really should be halved again. But hey, at least they listened the first time.
You're wrong about that. Do some research, polar bears in RL zoos are seriously struggling. They have different requirements to be happy than other bears in captivity. I applaud Frontier for this.
There's probably many different views and opinions on how Polar Bears should be kept in captivity, here's an interesting read I found from a UK conservation source:
http://www.bearconservation.org.uk/polar-bears-in-zoos/
One of their main goals is:
http://www.bearconservation.org.uk/polar-bears-in-zoos/
One of their main goals is:
Exactly - 8000sqm per polar bear is what they consider the bare minimum requirement. Frontier didn't get this wrong. What we need to realize is that we don't have the right to keep animals in captivity just for our enjoyment. If we really care about the animals the onus is on us to understand what their real requirements are and provide it. For me, the bare minimum isn't enough.
I respond to these comments in the other thread
❄ Planet Zoo: Update 1.1.0 and Arctic Pack out now! ❄
I really like some of the Building-Parts. I was able to build a Ship wreck in my Polar Bear Enclosure and I also like how difficult it is to breed Polar Bears. At least my Polar Bears bred a lot but the Female never got pregnant. Maybe this will change soon because the Enclosure is almost...
They also state that their goal is:
“An end to all captive polar bear breeding programmes“
So I’d be wary of considering them an authority on polar bear husbandry or conservation.
Ending captive polar bear breeding is the right thing to do. I'm a monthly supporter of the Kevin Richardon Wildlife Sanctuary. He's a lion expert. He shuns captive breeding of lions because there is no good reason to do so. There just isn't enough "wild" left to safely release them to. The polar bear's plight is even worse, it is unlikely that we will be able to save the wild population because of the climate crisis so their extinction is all but guaranteed. Polar bears are now breeding with their southern cousins and have produced a viable hybrid commonly known as the Grolar Bear. The few real polar bears left deserve everything they need or could possibly want, not just the bare minimum.
I’ll try to avoid getting personal and breaking forum rules but I question why you are even interested in a zoo game if this is how you feel.
To address the points above, reproduction and the raising of young is a vital and integral part of the lives of animals both wild and captive and to deny them the possibility to do so without very good reason (it sometimes is necessary) is simply cruel.
Which is precisely why I added their views on the breeding of polar bears. It adds important context to their thoughts on husbandry which I feel lack credibility, even if there are points on which I might agree with them.
I think I've made my points on this matter and don't wish to discuss it further.
When I'm done with my African zoo I intend to create a new Arctic Zoo based on the Polar Bear's needs. I may not even open it to the public. There are many ways to play and enjoy Planet Zoo. I hope that you are having as much fun with it as I am. Be well and have a great day
I was one of the players who wanted the specs of the polar bears reduced. I am happy Frontier reacted and reduced them by half. I really, really get the point on the initial numbres.
Currently I'm working on a new project. A section zoo, that is build like the gutes would make a world tour. Kind of like the concept in hannover, germany. I build a polar bear habitat that was huge. You know what? It's still too small. But that is not fault of Frontier or the Polar bear, nor is the updated numbre unrealistic in terms of animal wellfare. It simply means that a polar bear doesn'tfit into the concept of my zoo, as I need the space for a lot of other animals. I don't want the numbres to be reduced any further. I want a good compromise between "it's just a game" and "I want this realistic" and in my opinion the current solution is this compromise.
The polar bears will find their way into my game in another way. Maybe I'm building a zoo with only arctic animals.Or I'm building a conservation park like Jonti (Geekism) did with Nuna Kanata. I don't know yet. But I will adaped my ideas to the realism that is in the game.
And by the way: Good zoos in real life have concepts these days. If you don't have room for a polar bear, the animals do not fit into the concept of your zoo or you are trying to collect animals like stickers. But unfortunately you can't have all the shiny ones without drawing a line somewhere.
That said, I have enough of this topic now.
Currently I'm working on a new project. A section zoo, that is build like the gutes would make a world tour. Kind of like the concept in hannover, germany. I build a polar bear habitat that was huge. You know what? It's still too small. But that is not fault of Frontier or the Polar bear, nor is the updated numbre unrealistic in terms of animal wellfare. It simply means that a polar bear doesn'tfit into the concept of my zoo, as I need the space for a lot of other animals. I don't want the numbres to be reduced any further. I want a good compromise between "it's just a game" and "I want this realistic" and in my opinion the current solution is this compromise.
The polar bears will find their way into my game in another way. Maybe I'm building a zoo with only arctic animals.Or I'm building a conservation park like Jonti (Geekism) did with Nuna Kanata. I don't know yet. But I will adaped my ideas to the realism that is in the game.
And by the way: Good zoos in real life have concepts these days. If you don't have room for a polar bear, the animals do not fit into the concept of your zoo or you are trying to collect animals like stickers. But unfortunately you can't have all the shiny ones without drawing a line somewhere.
That said, I have enough of this topic now.
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Reading refund comments also makes me cringe. Frontier is always in touch with its community and tries to balance things out. If you are not content with something just voice your opinion. Refunding isn't going to help that. In fact in most cases you'll find out the things you have been complaining about are fixed over time, yet you no longer own the game.
I think so too! I can't understand how people can ask or think about a refund..... The game is being worked so hard on and it will be improved with every update so just stay patient... I also often have none of the bugs some people are complaining about. I never understand how it can be that some games are full of bugs and some doesn't have any of them... it must be so much work and hard to find out why some people have issues and some not...
Just stay patient and stop complaining all day long!
I understand those asking for refunds, maybe if more people did this when they bought buggy games there would be more incentive to properly finish a game before releasing it. I pre-ordered so I have no one to blame but myself but I've learned my lesson - never buy a new game until at least 3 months after its release date.
Maybe you should get a refund...Its Polar Bear. Not Ice bear...
Not quite, Violet. They still need 10-15 times more space than other large bears.So glad they scaled back the space requirements for the polar bears. It makes me want to have them in my game now.
If people want that hyper-realism, they can increase the size of the habitat themselves.
Please be kind to the people on this forum, peeps come from all over the world, and this game is played by peeps with many languages, all kind of ages and knowledge background. Hasardous translation and naming are bound to happen. Grammar don't have to...
So you are against captive breeding polar bears although you acknowledge that their wild population has a very high risk of dissapear in a few decades? I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that almost like supporting their extinction?
I am both sad and surprised that anti-zoo animalism has reached even a forum for the target market of a zoo game focused on conservation. A couple of animals in a slightly improvable zoo are worth more than their entire species?
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