General Remove private Lobby and single Player

As I've said, there's no need for a PvP server as its already in the game. And the argument has slowly slipped into discussing about fencing some activities and features behind open play mode, namely PP which is something that has been asked/confronted/discussed in thousands of posts in this sub (so it's not me and two buddies).
You will get your own server and you can go and order everyone there, here your vote counts as 1 drop of water in a ocean. Get a LOT of people to back your idea and then we can talk about changes. PP stays in all modes. You have some nerve to come here and order what should be done without even having more then few supporters. Maybe you order everyone around your house but you will not order nobody in here. No one wants your ideas here, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS !!!
 
.... and no player requires to play in the same game mode to affect the game features contained in the shared galaxy, in this game, by design....
Powerplay was introduced later, so there's the possibility the original design was flawed to fit something that has been litterally patched on an existing environment. Mistakes are human.
 
You will get your own server and you can go and order everyone there, here your vote counts as 1 drop of water in a ocean. Get a LOT of people to back your idea and then we can talk about changes. PP stays in all modes. You have some nerve to come here and order what should be done without even having more then few supporters. Maybe you order everyone around your house but you will not order nobody in here. No one wants your ideas here, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS !!!
Then dont argue, I dont care.
 
What you call BGS/PP grinding is a fundamental part of the game, whether you like it or not. What you say basically boils down to "you are forced to play the game". And here is the good news: you are not. But simply calling everything you don't like a "game design flaw" won't get you far. It's not like you live in a capitalist system and say "it's the system's fault" just because you can't pay the rent. That's not how reality works, sorry.
In reality I started the discussion trying to find out the angle for improving the experience in powerplay (which as the word say its "battle for power") as the most common sentence on every powerplay discord is "we don't know who's doing that as we did not see anyone in open" (all platforms all tz covered).
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Ok, but wasn't said by some FDEVs they were thinking about open only powerplay? (That's what I was referring to).
The possibility of Open only Powerplay was indeed raised as a proposal back in May 2018 in the first of the two Powerplay Flash Topic threads - Sandro was very clear that it was an investigation and not a fait accompli and also that the list of game features that might possibly be considered for Open only was very short, i.e. Powerplay was the only feature even under consideration with the BGS being specifically excluded from the list. Some time later, in his last stream appearance before he left the ED project he said:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52kOyADxK5E&t=3110s

Sandro Sammarco; Lavecon Recap and Mining Focused Feedback said:
We don't give out numbers because we just don't do that right cuz we're the cool kids however it's it's fair to say that again, just to put a misconception to rest, the people playing in open is not a small group it's the majority. More people play in open than the other modes, yeah by a significant margin. So that shouldn't be taken though as a "so we're gonna do open only power play" that it's absolutely the furthest from our minds.
 
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PowerPlay is working perfectly, because there is only 4-5 people complaining, if there should be a problem with PowerPlay there would be a lot of people complaining and asking for a change. Just like you see now with Crime and Punishment. So, your calls for a change @Rebel Yell are baseless and without any evidence proofing other ways.
 
Got to see the fight over Trepin last cycle. Orgnaized Federal players gathering hundreds of thousands of merits while undermining in Open. Only one sighting of a Torval hauler in Open: that player immediately combat logged when interdicted. The Open underminers would scatter to separate systems when enemy PvPers arrived, thus taking a performance hit. Torval haulers didn't need to worry about that, and could fly shieldless if they wanted. There was one report of a Federal player in open who combat logged, but we never heard the commander's name, so can't investigate. (Not every Federal-aligned player is part of the organized Federal groups/discord channels.)

Edit: Applied correction suggested by Bulbulunufus. Apologies & thanks!
 
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You mean something like seasonal fads that always repeat themselves after a certain time?
You could literlally take the discussion between RM and RN, add in the trolling by others, change the names and insert another game, or some MUD's even, and it would fit almost verbatim. The same discussion has been going on for at least two decades. Same song, different band. Like the Justin Bieber remake of Hotel California.
 
Got to see the fight over Trepin last cycle. Orgnaized Hudson players gathering hundreds of thousands of merits while undermining in Open. Only one sighting of a Torval hauler in Open: that player immediately combat logged when interdicted. The Open underminers would scatter to separate systems when enemy PvPers arrived, thus taking a performance hit. Torval haulers didn't need to worry about that, and could fly shieldless if they wanted. There was one report of a Hudson player in open who combat logged, but we never heard the commander's name, so can't investigate. (Not every Hudson-aligned player is part of the organized Hudson group/discord.)
Can we say Federal rather than Hudson perhaps? 😉

This was a very close and hard fought expansion, in which the imbalance between modes was glaring. Having no need to defend haulers meant PvPers were free to attack underminers. Those underminers, however, required overwatch by their own PvPers, who could have been undermining instead, had the opposition's PvPers been in closed modes like their comrades. Just a useful little illustration. The outcome was decided by mode choice, ultimately.
 
You could literlally take the discussion between RM and RN, add in the trolling by others, change the names and insert another game, or some MUD's even, and it would fit almost verbatim. The same discussion has been going on for at least two decades. Same song, different band. Like the Justin Bieber remake of Hotel California.
True. It was almost comical in Lord of the Rings Online, where PvP is confined by design to a special area. The PvPers were really inventive about dreaming up ideas for PvE quests which would just happen to make other players enter that area. Then there were the ideas for gating higher-level PvE content behind requirements to take part in PvP.

It's a disease which infects all games wherever possible. ED does seem to have a bad case of it though.
 
PowerPlay is working perfectly, because there is only 4-5 people complaining, if there should be a problem with PowerPlay there would be a lot of people complaining and asking for a change. Just like you see now with Crime and Punishment. So, your calls for a change @Rebel Yell are baseless and without any evidence proofing other ways.
Ok, thanks for your useful baseline comment. 👈


You could literlally take the discussion between RM and RN, add in the trolling by others, change the names and insert another game, or some MUD's even, and it would fit almost verbatim. The same discussion has been going on for at least two decades. Same song, different band. Like the Justin Bieber remake of Hotel California.
That doesn't impede things may change. If you think that discussing about it is useless, ignore it and spare the time you're losing here. :LOL:
 
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Ok, thanks for your useful baseline comment. 👈



That doesn't impede things may change. If you think that discussing about it is useless, ignore it and spare the time you're losing here. :LOL:
If you like this at home (in real life) then woof..may god have mercy on their souls, who ever that is must have a tons of patients with you.
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
We're disccussing about pixels interacting with other pixels (if that's not yet clear to you). IRL is off-topic.
.... and the CMDR pixels are under the control of players who make decisions to act for themselves, even if they then attempt to dissociate the in-game actions of their CMDR from personal choices. Players are, of course, free to act as they please within the game (subject to Frontier's rules) - however they are not in control of how others view their actions.
 
Some players don't accept that we don't all have to play in the same play-ground to affect gameplay.

Suggestions of "private servers", especially when the game in such private servers would be able to be modded (meaning that they could not affect the shared galaxy 'cos cheating) are often a precursor to other suggestions, e.g. "and after the private servers have been implemented 'we' don't need Solo and Private Groups".
I mostly want private servers though just because I want to see things fixed that Fdev won't do themselves.
 
In other words they have no idea what they're doing or why they're doing it.

Before FC and I had to sneak in to the bubble in solo with billions in data to sell before the gankers got me I just stopped at the nearest isolated stations and dropped it all there, the effect on local factions, PP or BGS was pretty much not something I was worried about. Some players sneak in, swap to a combat ship then fly around and sell it where it does their personal faction most use, but as long as there are gankers around who don't care about some lone explorer with a lot to lose who gives a monkey.

I know why I am doing it, I don't care what effect it has, and if there weren't PvP gankers running around to blow me up maybe your faction could have got the benefit. Of course none of that matters now, I just don't bother coming back to the bubble! It's like solo out here even in open!
 
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