Request for more than 32 buttons (Virpil throttle)

Misty_Dark

Misty_Dark
Kelster87 said:
The way to avoid it is to avoid using the Win10 HID drivers/stack. I'm not sure why FDev haven't taken this option, but MS really need to fix the defaults. At its core, it's an OS issue, which means that it is the OS dev who needs to fix it - not have 3rd party devs provide a workaround.
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This makes no sense. HID driver is for devices. This is what the hardware manufacturer that uses to show their device to Windows, so purely on the HID part, they can create some crazy devices...

Games uses an API to talk to devices, Elite uses DirectX and DirectInput, and uses the old API that restricts joysticks to a maximum of 32 buttons, there are newer API that allows the use of up to 128 button per device.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
What I think is so contradictory in Frontier's design is that they're keep on adding functions, features, and options in the bindings but not increase or the improve the actual way of mapping these functions. There are probably hundreds of functions to potentially bind, probably more than a keyboard can handle, and only a scrappy few buttons allowed to map. rolleyes That's why they're now starting to go for wheels. Just wait for next version, 20 different function wheels because we can't map enough keys/buttons to them. ugh.
 

Mxpower76

Mxpower76
Not seen this mentioned yet but Voice Attack has a built in Joy2Key that works right out of the box. And you don't need to talk to it for it to work. Set up my CM3 base buttons yesterday. I don't have the gremlin or VJoy software. VA instantly recognized my buttons after i told it what Joy 2 is. Uses the windows controller list. Under my VA Elite profile I set "press button 47 to activate "G" key for .250 seconds" That's my landing gear button for example. Button 66 is my Gal map. I also have it set up for pip management, automatically requesting landing clearance and my basic o7 greeting.
 

KingTurtle

K
Me: Damn I need more buttons cause my Warthog throttle and Joystick don't have enough for Elite Dangerous.
Virpil: I got you. VPC CM3 Throttle.
me: Sweet. Now I have so many buttons to bind. :D
Elite Dangerous: 32 max take it or leave it.

For the love of science how is this still an issue in a space ship game? Even DCS can do more than 32 and that's an aircraft combat sim.
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ATinyFurryRodent

ATinyFurryRodent
Absolutely WANT this so bad. I know I can hack it all with Joystick Gremlin etc. but I shouldn't have to. I just bought my super expensive Virpil gear and paid the exhorbitant import tax too and it's primarily to play Elite. Frankly this I consider to be SUPER HIGH PRIORITY as a NEEDED FIX ASAP.
 

gorankar

gorankar
ATinyFurryRodent said:
Absolutely WANT this so bad. I know I can hack it all with Joystick Gremlin etc. but I shouldn't have to. I just bought my super expensive Virpil gear and paid the exhorbitant import tax too and it's primarily to play Elite. Frankly this I consider to be SUPER HIGH PRIORITY as a NEEDED FIX ASAP.
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A partial work around for the CM3 is to make sure all of your hat switches are in hat switch mode and not key press mode. This will get you all but T7, E1, and E2.

But yes, it is ridiculous that MS mucked up their OS like they did, more ridiculous that ED can't seem to bother with a fix for this when almost every other sim game dev has, and even more stupendously ridiculous that MS is one of those devs.
 

Gleitfrosch

Gleitfrosch
There was a hint in the dev updates that this issue is planned to be solved with Patch 8. What do you think, how big are the chances that we will see it fixed on Wednesday?
 

Misty_Dark

Misty_Dark
Gleitfrosch said:
There was a hint in the dev updates that this issue is planned to be solved with Patch 8. What do you think, how big are the chances that we will see it fixed on Wednesday?
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I'm pessimistic, so -5

But on the upside, you will get pleasantly surprised when things actually is improved on. instead of constantly being sad for all the things not fixed...
 

reanimate

reanimate
Haven't actually played in 2 years.. Started to see some news RE: Odyssey recovering from rough launch, figured I would give it a try. Logged in to see I can't bind my CM3... uninstalled. Any ETA/confirmation that Frontier is going to fix it?
 

zikolach

zikolach
reanimate said:
Haven't actually played in 2 years.. Started to see some news RE: Odyssey recovering from rough launch, figured I would give it a try. Logged in to see I can't bind my CM3... uninstalled. Any ETA/confirmation that Frontier is going to fix it?
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Not sure of other manufacturers, but maybe can help... I got an extension module to my VKB stick and had the same problem and solved it in the device configurator setting up 2 virtual devices - so all the extra buttons (32+) are mapped to second device.
 

reanimate

reanimate
zikolach said:
Not sure of other manufacturers, but maybe can help... I got an extension module to my VKB stick and had the same problem and solved it in the device configurator setting up 2 virtual devices - so all the extra buttons (32+) are mapped to second device.
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Unfortunately Virpil currently only supports rebinding as keyboard functions, which just isn't ideal. I'd have to rebind IL-2, MSFS etc... not worth the time just to bandaid a frontier issue + everyone else has fixed it... kinda frustrating.
 

ubermick

ubermick
reanimate said:
Haven't actually played in 2 years.. Started to see some news RE: Odyssey recovering from rough launch, figured I would give it a try. Logged in to see I can't bind my CM3... uninstalled. Any ETA/confirmation that Frontier is going to fix it?
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They're working on it. We got extremely excited when they announced in one of their Issue Tracker Updates that it was done for update 7 (think it was 7, might have been 8) but it was a red herring.

As it stands, I just use my CM2 with the keybinding functions. Agree its far from ideal, and unlike yourself I'm only using the throttle on Elite at the moment. (I would have to rebind everything for NMS, X4, and SC as well since I only got the throttle a few months ago, but honestly can't be bothered since I don't really play NMS or X4 much, and have frankly given up on SC).

Other option is Vjoy and Joystick Gremlin, and just run them when you're playing ED. Again, far from ideal, but would work and mean you don't have to rebind all your other games.

All workarounds though, and you're bang on when you say there's really no excuse for the 32 button limit to still be in the game. I mean, I get they designed it with the X52 in mind, but still...
 

ZeroBR

Z
reanimate said:
Haven't actually played in 2 years.. Started to see some news RE: Odyssey recovering from rough launch, figured I would give it a try. Logged in to see I can't bind my CM3... uninstalled. Any ETA/confirmation that Frontier is going to fix it?
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The issue is #4 or #5 on the issue tracker and they are postponing it for like, 2 or more years.

Expect nothing from FDEV on that area. They don't care.
 

gorankar

gorankar
reanimate said:
Unfortunately Virpil currently only supports rebinding as keyboard functions, which just isn't ideal. I'd have to rebind IL-2, MSFS etc... not worth the time just to bandaid a frontier issue + everyone else has fixed it... kinda frustrating.
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If you go into the software for the CM3 and change all of the hats from button presses to hats, you can bind all but T7, E1, and E2.
You can use the mode switch to swap between the ED and your other game bindings unless you are already using that for something else. Definitely something that should have been fixed years ago, but, well, minimum viable product and all.
Yeah, it is frustrating though.
 
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