Roadmap leaked??

No actually thats what I think but I can appreciate some might be sensitive to the fact that they might own an expensive paperweight come 2020.
See. You're still on a wind up ;)

Don't get too jealous now sweetie xx

EDIT: If it is indeed what you think, perhaps provide some underpinning to your theory that people can actually address. Rather than opting for the drive-by one-liner.
 
I presume you're busy then reading the idiots guide to passive aggressive sniping because you dont like other peoples theories?
Theories? Go on lets hear it... I'm yet to see any theory from you, just a statement with nothing to back it up.

See. You're still on a wind up ;)

Don't get too jealous now sweetie xx

EDIT: If it is indeed what you think, perhaps provide some underpinning to your theory that people can actually address. Rather than opting for the drive-by one-liner.
LOL - he doesn't have one, just a baseless statement with nothing to actually support it, you have to admire the intellect behind such posts. Then commend the further drivel in subsequent posts. Clearly a fan of dogs and pancakes but of VR :confused: Now that's what I call a theory!
 
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@Golgot - I disagree with your culling of CylonSurfer’s list down to those two titles - saying only those have a “heavy FPS component” seems to be “no true Scotsman” territory to me.

On the list, I’ve tried A:I, Subnautica and Adr1ft using only a controller with no issues, the latter two being ‘official’ VR ports of 2d games.

I think an interesting thing to look at will be the upcoming NMS VR - currently you can easily switch between first- and third-person, so will that be retained in the Beyond release? I’ve seen teleport locomotion mooted as well as other methods, along with motion controllers. Will we be able to use standard controllers as well as waving our arms around?
 
@Golgot - I disagree with your culling of CylonSurfer’s list down to those two titles - saying only those have a “heavy FPS component” seems to be “no true Scotsman” territory to me.

On the list, I’ve tried A:I, Subnautica and Adr1ft using only a controller with no issues, the latter two being ‘official’ VR ports of 2d games.

I think an interesting thing to look at will be the upcoming NMS VR - currently you can easily switch between first- and third-person, so will that be retained in the Beyond release? I’ve seen teleport locomotion mooted as well as other methods, along with motion controllers. Will we be able to use standard controllers as well as waving our arms around?
Oh come on now. Do Subnautica or Adr1ft have gunplay as a primary gameplay loop?

'First Person Shooter' is a pretty clearly defined game type. And I think I've stood up why the distinction is important.

The leak suggests shooter gameplay will be a significant component (and FDev's Legs discussion have featured combat applications heavily).

It's not unreasonable to ask: 'How will VR gunplay work?' if there's an apparent weighting towards it.

EDIT: Absolutely agree on NMS as a testcase for ways ED could go about it. Especially with their uptick in multiplayer functionality along the way.
 
Oh come on now. Do Subnautica or Adr1ft have gunplay as a primary gameplay loop?

'First Person Shooter' is a pretty clearly defined game type. And I think I've stood up why the distinction is important.

The leak suggests shooter gameplay will be a significant component (and FDev's Legs discussion have featured combat applications heavily).

It's not unreasonable to ask: 'How will VR gunplay work?'
So you are disregarding those games because they don’t have guns? So quickly moving your first-person point of view is only valid if there’s a gun in your eyesight?

In that case, I once tried DoomVR on the PlayStation, which was a seated experience with controller. There was a gun in each hand and they were locked to your viewpoint, so headlook aiming if you will. Turning around was view flick-turning on a thumbstick. Worked perfectly fine, in my view.
 
@Golgot - I disagree with your culling of CylonSurfer’s list down to those two titles - saying only those have a “heavy FPS component” seems to be “no true Scotsman” territory to me.

On the list, I’ve tried A:I, Subnautica and Adr1ft using only a controller with no issues, the latter two being ‘official’ VR ports of 2d games.

I think an interesting thing to look at will be the upcoming NMS VR - currently you can easily switch between first- and third-person, so will that be retained in the Beyond release? I’ve seen teleport locomotion mooted as well as other methods, along with motion controllers. Will we be able to use standard controllers as well as waving our arms around?
Indeed, Skyrim:VR has a significant combat element, including bow and cross bow play. It also removed third person entirely even when played with a controller... I do however agree with some of what Galgot says, I just don't honestly believe any of it would push FDEV to any other place than they already are when it comes to the VR support in this title. I'd like to be proven wrong by them but with their history I'm not sure we will and it certainly doesn't make legs in VR unviable in any way even if that is undesirable for some.
 
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Oh come on now. Do Subnautica or Adr1ft have gunplay as a primary gameplay loop?

'First Person Shooter' is a pretty clearly defined game type. And I think I've stood up why the distinction is important.

The leak suggests shooter gameplay will be a significant component (and FDev's Legs discussion have featured combat applications heavily).

It's not unreasonable to ask: 'How will VR gunplay work?' if there's an apparent weighting towards it.

EDIT: Absolutely agree on NMS as a testcase for ways ED could go about it. Especially with their uptick in multiplayer functionality along the way.
you seem to take what you like and disregard all the rest.
As I have already said I played the entire Quake 2 in VR with mouse and keyboard and it was great. I think Quake 2 can be labeled as a pure FPS, or not?
I think the best part was that you were not headlooked. You can move the view with you head and move your gun using mouse. It was a great solution. If the game is made the right way it can be easilly played in VR like in 2D.
 
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Indeed, Skyrim:VR has a significant combat element, including bow and cross bow play. It also removed third person entirely even when played with a controller... I do however agree with some of what Galgot says, I just don't honestly believe any of it would push FDEV to any other place than they already are when it comes to the VR support in this title. I'd like to be proven wrong by them but with their history I'm not sure we will and it certainly doesn't make leg in VR unviable in any way.
I didn’t mention SkyrimVR (my second most played VR game) because I’ve only ever used Touch controllers with it, but I can imagine using a controller would be similar to using the simplified archery option.

Personally I’m not that worried about future VR implementation, as long as there are headlook options in the game then I think there will always be that basic level of VR coverage.
 
So you are disregarding those games because they don’t have guns? So quickly moving your first-person point of view is only valid if there’s a gun in your eyesight?

In that case, I once tried DoomVR on the PlayStation, which was a seated experience with controller. There was a gun in each hand and they were locked to your viewpoint, so headlook aiming if you will. Turning around was view flick-turning on a thumbstick. Worked perfectly fine, in my view.
No I'm not disregarding them as points of reference more broadly. I'm just saying that any defecit in their control scheme when it comes to FPS needs to be considered, given that that mode seems likely to feature in a Legs DLC.

IE: Just saying 'Subnautica did it, no problems' re controller input starts to founder as an argument when you ponder how its controller scheme would work for multiplayer FPS applications.

I do get both your and Cylon's arguments that non-motion-controller solutions can be arrived at. I'm just arguing that they're sub-optimal in a way that would be important to FDev (nausea for significant bands of the gaming community / archaic gameplay within the VR ecosystem, which are being mainly eschewed by other developers).

DoomVR used a teleport function. As I pointed out that would be unlikely to be satisfactory in a 'cross platform' multiplayer PvP environment. (IE for '2D' players having your opponent teleporting about would likely be an unsatisfactory parallel. It's not proved hugely popular in the VR ecosystem generally, with the likes of RecRoom moving away from it for their PvP maps etc, and only multiplayer games which majored on teleport as a feature getting much traction out of it, and even they didn't fare particularly well, IE: Gunheart).
 
you seem to take what you like and disregard all the rest.
As I have already said I played the entire Quake 2 in VR with mouse and keyboard and it was great. I think Quake 2 can be labeled as a pure FPS, or not?
I think the best part was that you were not headlooked. You can move the view with you head and move your gun using mouse. It was a great solution. If the game is made the right way it can be easilly played in VR like in 2D.
Sorry I didn't mean to gloss over it. As far as I'm aware the Quake 2 mod had a lot of issues with nausea though too, and as such their control scheme may not be replicated by a pro release.

I'm not very well versed in it though, and may well be wrong there. I know that the mod itself did add motion control support as time went by though.
 
Of people having fun in VR. The people you're transparently trying to goad with your drive-by stuff.
If I wanted VR i'd have it.

Given Frontiers history of cutting corners where they can and coming up with placeholder also where they can its not in my view out of the realms of possiblity to predict that they might not spend the additional time on a vr experience for legs and co.

I do apologise if my prediction has lead you and others down some sort of sunk cost fallacy nightmare not worth thinking about but it was just a prediction and I might indeed be 100% wrong and im big enough to put my hands up and admit I am but given we are some way off a reveal of what 2020 holds i'll save my aplogies until then if they're needed.
 
...Just saying 'Subnautica did it, no problems' re controller input starts to founder as an argument when you ponder how its controller scheme would work for multiplayer FPS applications.
You’ll have to help me here, my pondering can’t differentiate between control schemes for solo or multiplayer FPS?
Edit: the only controls difference I have in VR games using controllers is that the right thumb stick changes from ‘look up/down/left/right’ to ‘flickturn left/right’ as the look functions become mapped to the HMD.
I do get both your and Cylon's arguments that non-motion-controller solutions can be arrived at. I'm just arguing that they're sub-optimal in a way that would be important to FDev (nausea for significant bands of the gaming community / archaic gameplay within the VR ecosystem, which are being mainly eschewed by other developers).

DoomVR used a teleport function...
True, a lot of gamers suffer from VR nausea when they try it, but I’d posit that a lot of VR gamers don’t. Bit of a Darwinian system, really. I think if the current crop of puke-solutions don’t work for a player, then they’re a bit stuffed with VR, unfortunately.

When I played DoomVFR on the PS it was smooth locomotion, the only teleporting was for tele-frag finishing moves.

Further edit: again, I’m interested in seeing what the varied locomotion options look like in the next NMS update - will the players using teleport be showing the sort of movement usually displayed by wet-haired Japanese girls who crawl out of televisions? Or will they look like they’ve got really crappy internet?
 
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Leo's 'theory' is inane. If FD is going to 'cut corners' they'll go for a crappy vr experience, not disable it.

Anyway, subnautica is great in vr with a gamepad and it has both eva 'swimming' and walking (in your homebase). NMS is adding be to their space legs. FD not spending loads of time on vr might be a reality, but any expectations of them removing it is lol.

And leo is just jelly, nananananaaaana!
 
At the weekends I can usually be found looking after my son.

I presume you're busy then reading the idiots guide to passive aggressive sniping because you dont like other peoples theories?



Sadly for you son, you dont get to pick and choose when a person stops playing a game.
That is true. The "son"... not so much I guess (it's more likely the other way around). :LOL:

Anyway, I'm not the one telling you what to do and what not. It's your own words, already forgotten?
Calling it now. Space flight like now will remain a vr experience but legs and co will not have any vr.
 
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That is true. The "son"... not so much I guess (it's more likely the other way around). :LOL:

Anyway, I'm not the one telling you what to do and what not. It's your own words, already forgotten?
I might have missed a few pages but I dont recall anything about vr or not being contingent on my continuing to play the game.

What I did say was though that if the 2020 expansion is any good i'll play it and if its not I wont bother, VR has nothing to do with it.

off off topic has anyone tried Stellaris? It's so good. No VR though :D
 
If I wanted VR i'd have it.

Given Frontiers history of cutting corners where they can and coming up with placeholder also where they can its not in my view out of the realms of possiblity to predict that they might not spend the additional time on a vr experience for legs and co.

I do apologise if my prediction has lead you and others down some sort of sunk cost fallacy nightmare not worth thinking about but it was just a prediction and I might indeed be 100% wrong and im big enough to put my hands up and admit I am but given we are some way off a reveal of what 2020 holds i'll save my aplogies until then if they're needed.
You do understand that every time FDEV add a feature to Elite it will work in VR outside of perhaps a few UI or shader tweaks due to how VR is intergrated into the engine, if FDEV want to futher improve up on any one element of the VR implementation, such as adding motion control support etc is really what the question is here.

It seems by your posts that you have a negative view on VR, which is fine of course, some things are not for everyone and all that. I do not understand the "paper weight" / "sunken costs" remarks though. I have a number of VR headsets, I do not view any of them as a paperweight or regret any costs associated with them. I'm not starved for content either, I play VR very regularly and really do not touch 2D games any more and have no need to. VRs future seems bright from where I sit, more content being announced all the time and advancements in HMD technology is moving along at a faster pace than I personally expected.
 
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