But what happens if you use a whole number? Try 777 without decimal point....
sense of scale in VR and a burried IPD variable
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Am cranking it up some more.
Edit - Probably an upper limit, tried <IPDAmount>0.979000</IPDAmount> didn't see any change.
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I dare you. Can't break anything, right?I was genuinely scared that I would screw up my eyes lol, nothing happened.
Hrmph... I was betting on something amazing.
Thanks for putting your rig and eyes on the line.
My game setting was 0.0001, I altered it to 0.07 and didn't notice anything and if I'm thinking about it, it shouldn't do anything as the hardware itself adjusts the image. I suspect it's a leftover value that's not used.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/307158-IPD-adjustment-in-graphics-settings
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/307158-IPD-adjustment-in-graphics-settings
Ah. Thanks for that.
You could manually adjust the software through a tool before oculus home was released, and in many other games you can adjust the IPD via software. When I had my DK2 I could see a massive diffence when I adjusted my IPD to a crazy value, I'd be sitting in my Anaconda feeling like one of those blue giant aliens from Prometheus
VR sure as heck *is* trippy. You fly DCS too? It has a IPD setting too. The effect is subtle but profound.
See, when you focus at something close to you, you go a little crosseyed. This is very noticeable if someone snaps a pic of you while you try to focus on a spoon held an inch from your nose. Anyway, the proprioception (the self-reporting of your body) of the amount of cross-eyedness is apparently an important factor in judging distance. Hence, knowing your IPD and setting it correctly in the software (be it DCS or Elite) makes for a subtle increase in realism to your VR.
Thats one use of IPD, the other is in making sure your headset is focussing right. If you set it wrong on your headset, headaches will ensue. Ideally software should poll your headset for IPD and use that. Apparently this works badly hence setting it manually has a distinct effect.
I would encourage all to experiment with getting this tweaked just so until it is perfectly right. It increases your VR comfort as well as immersion. Just tweak with care because going wall-eyed; having your eyes look *away* from one another is a surefire recipe for massive headaches. Trust me, I know
See, when you focus at something close to you, you go a little crosseyed. This is very noticeable if someone snaps a pic of you while you try to focus on a spoon held an inch from your nose. Anyway, the proprioception (the self-reporting of your body) of the amount of cross-eyedness is apparently an important factor in judging distance. Hence, knowing your IPD and setting it correctly in the software (be it DCS or Elite) makes for a subtle increase in realism to your VR.
Thats one use of IPD, the other is in making sure your headset is focussing right. If you set it wrong on your headset, headaches will ensue. Ideally software should poll your headset for IPD and use that. Apparently this works badly hence setting it manually has a distinct effect.
I would encourage all to experiment with getting this tweaked just so until it is perfectly right. It increases your VR comfort as well as immersion. Just tweak with care because going wall-eyed; having your eyes look *away* from one another is a surefire recipe for massive headaches. Trust me, I know
Wise word, I was warned about screwing around with IPD when I first got my DK2, still tried some crazy things, ended up with a massive headache one day.VR sure as heck *is* trippy. You fly DCS too? It has a IPD setting too. The effect is subtle but profound.
See, when you focus at something close to you, you go a little crosseyed. This is very noticeable if someone snaps a pic of you while you try to focus on a spoon held an inch from your nose. Anyway, the proprioception (the self-reporting of your body) of the amount of cross-eyedness is apparently an important factor in judging distance. Hence, knowing your IPD and setting it correctly in the software (be it DCS or Elite) makes for a subtle increase in realism to your VR.
Thats one use of IPD, the other is in making sure your headset is focussing right. If you set it wrong on your headset, headaches will ensue. Ideally software should poll your headset for IPD and use that. Apparently this works badly hence setting it manually has a distinct effect.
I would encourage all to experiment with getting this tweaked just so until it is perfectly right. It increases your VR comfort as well as immersion. Just tweak with care because going wall-eyed; having your eyes look *away* from one another is a surefire recipe for massive headaches. Trust me, I know
It is interesting in itself that those of us who have cared to look in the settings file have found different values before we made any changes. I wonder why that is.
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Hey folks it’s off topic but figure the VR crowd might have an answer. My Oculus is opening Elite in desktop mode even if I manually select open in VR. It leaves the headset on ‘loading’ and plays it in desktop.
Weird. Mine is set to 0.00100 However, that's after a reinstall and I haven't played it since reinstalling. Let me see if that changes after loading it up the first time...
...okay, loaded it up a couple times. Changed some settings, went back. Still at 0.00100
Just an FYI on this. I'll change that setting to 0.00640 (I have my IPD set at 64) and see what's what.
Edit: Dang nab it. I wish I could say definitively if there is an improvement or if it's in my imagination, but I can't. I think there is, but that could be a confirmation bias. It seems my FPS situation has improved, but that probably has to do with my reinstalling of the game (which was a suggestion made recently elsewhere).
Stupid humans and their unreliable testimony...
Edit Edit: I do think SOMETHING is happening, because I'm adjusting my headset far less due to visual problems (the Levono Explorer has a small sweet spot and I'm right on the edge of it's IPD range) and mostly just for comfort. But it could be a placebo, who knows?
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I'm pretty sure this is a left over setting from the years back. I don't think it even did anything on the DK2 let alone the current gen HMDs.
An older posts on the subject:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/307158-IPD-adjustment-in-graphics-settings
An older posts on the subject:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/307158-IPD-adjustment-in-graphics-settings
Yes it should.
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TJ is slacking again...
do a blind test, instruct someone to make you test with different settings several times. if you can't correctly guess considerably more than 50% of the time, it's definitely placebo. if it isn't next to 100%, then the effect is probably negligible.
personally, i see no reason ipd sould have any impact either on performance or on perceived 'scale': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pupillary_distance
but, who knows what that setting could internally be affecting ...
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I sat in a number of different cockpits last night. Again, the differences were subtle, but really made a huge immersion difference to me. My -perception- is as follows:
Things close remained close with very little change. (Exception to the keyboard in the Anaconda which now felt to be within reach.)
Things at a distance were larger, not shrinking with that distance so quickly. (Able to clearly see a Thargoid interceptor at 12km without target brackets. Improved gunnery significantly. Isuk. )
Space Stations: Felt less stretched out. Sense of scale was larger, and less like a hallway in a horror movie.
DBX: No change really.
Adder: Tighter. Seats felt closer together. Less distance to rear wall.
Chieftan: Very similar. Maybe a little more cozy in the cockpit?
SRV: Same inside. Planet felt more expansive.
Vulture: Felt less like sitting in a bubble. A little tighter up front, less distance to the back wall.
FAS/FDS/FGS: Much tighter.
Eagle: Huge difference. Before felt like it was 10-12' to the front edge of the canopy. Now felt like about 5'. Really seemed to be sitting out on the nose now.
Anaconda: Cockpit felt less "hollow". Additional seats felt closer. Nose seemed more like the deck of a ship and less like a banana out in front of the canopy.
Corvette: Additional seats felt less distant. Seemed more like the bridge of a warship and less like a dancehall with chairs.
In all ships, it seemed the details focused more. The switches and wires in the various structural pillars were clear. (Which really makes me think the Anaconda's a discount vehicle off a used car lot....)
My Conclusion: It seems like there's an issue with the handoff for the IPD setting in the HMD to the game, and manually setting it really does make a difference. I'm not saying this isn't a placebo effect, but if it is, it's an illusion I'm quite happy to suffer from.
Things close remained close with very little change. (Exception to the keyboard in the Anaconda which now felt to be within reach.)
Things at a distance were larger, not shrinking with that distance so quickly. (Able to clearly see a Thargoid interceptor at 12km without target brackets. Improved gunnery significantly. Isuk.
)Space Stations: Felt less stretched out. Sense of scale was larger, and less like a hallway in a horror movie.
DBX: No change really.
Adder: Tighter. Seats felt closer together. Less distance to rear wall.
Chieftan: Very similar. Maybe a little more cozy in the cockpit?
SRV: Same inside. Planet felt more expansive.
Vulture: Felt less like sitting in a bubble. A little tighter up front, less distance to the back wall.
FAS/FDS/FGS: Much tighter.
Eagle: Huge difference. Before felt like it was 10-12' to the front edge of the canopy. Now felt like about 5'. Really seemed to be sitting out on the nose now.
Anaconda: Cockpit felt less "hollow". Additional seats felt closer. Nose seemed more like the deck of a ship and less like a banana out in front of the canopy.
Corvette: Additional seats felt less distant. Seemed more like the bridge of a warship and less like a dancehall with chairs.
In all ships, it seemed the details focused more. The switches and wires in the various structural pillars were clear. (Which really makes me think the Anaconda's a discount vehicle off a used car lot....)
My Conclusion: It seems like there's an issue with the handoff for the IPD setting in the HMD to the game, and manually setting it really does make a difference. I'm not saying this isn't a placebo effect, but if it is, it's an illusion I'm quite happy to suffer from.
A BIG thank you for this! Repped! I've updated the value from 0.001 to your settings... I'll see if this helps... I find reading anything with the Vive on really hard. Its obviously not setup correctly, but I don't know how to do it correctly! I wish there was a single <simple> guide that gave step by step instructions on how to set up the Vive with ED correctly ... As it is, there are a myriad of graphic setting in different places to figure out! <I'M LOST>
If anyone knows of such a guide... PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!! [yesnod]
If anyone is willing to offer some guidance - Please Do!!! [yesnod]
Subtle and profound would be mutually exclusive, it's either one or the other. IMHO this is clearly a placebo as I've tested it both ways with several friends and see absolutely zero difference. Measuring as best I can where things are in relation to each other they are exactly the same. We'd need some kind of confirmation from Frontier as to what this does or if it has any impact but I'm pretty damn sure it does nothing.
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