You've got straw men packed into that post like sardines in a can.
You've got straw men packed into that post like sardines in a can.
It seems to be all over the place. At first the thread title was shame shame on FD. Blame. Then it's about WK's supposedly having "lower standards" on buying supposedly shoddy shipkits when it's not even proven that supposed wk's (supposedly on this forum) are even enough of a data point percentage to influence ship kit sales. Then now it's supposedly the thread is about --> "is about white knights hindering the game's progress." +"Anyone who disagrees on the fact(??)... ".
Nonsensical, and all other opinions supposedly don't matter. Well from where I see it, this thread is more about same regular sinuisoidal-cylic shaming and blaming naysaying and the poorly disguised pretension claiming to "support" the game, the devs or otherwise.
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All this argument back and forth, yet nothing will change until we speak with one voice as the 3'rd party developers did to force FD to change.
TBH, I think the general consensus is that the quality of ship-kits ranges from dreadful to okayish while, for their part, FDev are probably comfortable with earning £4m a year from cosmetics.
Beyond that, it's just forum PvP.
Exactly. Nothing will change until we speak with one voice. And right now we sound like a cacophony of chickens, ducks, geese, and turkeys.
Don't take this the wrong way but I'm not sure that's possible.
I mean, some of the ship-kits and paint-jobs are pretty nice so it'd be unreasonable to petition people not to buy them.
I'm not sure how many genuine new players are getting into ED but it seems like, if nothing else, a lot of existing players are buying alt-accounts and then they're likely to, and entitled to, buy any ship-kits and paint jobs they like.
That being the case, it seems like there's a resonable turnover of cosmetics being sold, to the tune of £4m per year, so there's little to compel FDev to do anything differently.
About the best we can hope for is that they look at the sales of things like the T6, Keelback and DBX kits, compared to the kits for things like the AspX, Krait and Vulture, and realise there's a reason why the former are poor sellers, and that it'd be worth their while to make the effort to up their game.
All of which assumes, of course, that certain things are as poorly received by the player-base as I suspect they are.
FD will improve on the ship kits if we buy more...
FD will improve on the ship kits if we buy more...
...later, in court...
"...and it was at that point, Your Honor, that the fight started..."
And one could argue that this is what the Dangerous Discussion forum is for.
Nothing like a good pre-emptive strike.
I've read your post. Why dont you learn how to create them yourself, submit them to a dev for uploading and see what the percentage of people is that like them or don't like them. You can go on the theme store for android phone and there are thousands of paid for themes. A lot of them are really good and really bad. Some are ok. Some are terrible. Some are exceptional. If you are not happy with a skin then move onto the next. Claim a refund. But don't tell me not to buy something because you think the work is not up to a standard you seem to be too low. For a couple of quid are you really that bothered? I spend most of my time looking through the cockpit and not staring at a paint job wishing it was a better one
Speak with one voice? LOL, never going to happen. Give two forum members a peice of rope and they will instinctivly pull in opposite directions.
The reason the 3rd party devs came together was because there was a common issue for them all which had a major impact on their tools.
I don't think some minor issues with ship kits is likely to garner the same sort of response.
Pretty much.
If Frontier took the same route as Digital Extremes with Warframe, and allowed player submissions, not only would the quality and quantity drastically improve, but Frontier would make a hell of a lot more money for much less of the work.
Nope, people would just get very upset about FDEV leeching off the work of players.
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Man I wish. People have been saying that for literally years. Qohen Leth alone could retire next week on the work he's done just for his own amusement even if they paid him eleven cents per skin.
It works in Warframe, with players and DE making a nice profit. In fact, many of the players do it as a full time job now.
So, as with Warframe, that minority who doesn't like basic business deals, or expect something for nothing .. would get drowned out and forgotten.
So, as with Warframe, that minority who doesn't like basic business deals, or expect something for nothing .. would get drowned out and forgotten.
If the players make a profit I take it they must be getting a slice of the skin-dosh, or worse selling them among themselves. As soon as you add money into things people can go to odd lengths to chase it.
Sounds seedy to me, I'm glad FDEV don't do it.
DE has two types of cosmetics. Their own, and Tennogen (player made).
Tennogen cosmetics are bought using real money.
On PC, we go through Steam.
The process is simple:
It only sounds seedy because you don't know how it works, or what kind of positive impact it had on the Warframe community,
Tennogen cosmetics are bought using real money.
On PC, we go through Steam.
The process is simple:
- I select a cosmetic (shown in the game, in real-time, with whatever colour customisations I've applied so I can see if I want it or not),
- I select Buy, and the Steam transaction window opens up,
- I load my Steam wallet, or use whatever I have in there already,
- I authorise the transaction,
- I get my cosmetic and the cost of the cosmetic is split between the creator and the developer (I don't know the ratio).
It only sounds seedy because you don't know how it works, or what kind of positive impact it had on the Warframe community,
DE has two types of cosmetics. Their own, and Tennogen (player made).
Tennogen cosmetics are bought using real money.
On PC, we go through Steam.
The process is simple:
This is something Digital Extreme actively encourages and supports.
- I select a cosmetic (shown in the game, in real-time, with whatever colour customisations I've applied so I can see if I want it or not),
- I select Buy, and the Steam transaction window opens up,
- I load my Steam wallet, or use whatever I have in there already,
- I authorise the transaction,
- I get my cosmetic and the cost of the cosmetic is split between the creator and the developer (I don't know the ratio).
It only sounds seedy because you don't know how it works, or what kind of positive impact it had on the Warframe community,
Definitely really seedy then. It also adds a potential financial incentive to running down FDEV's own skins and could alter FDEV's planned subscription alternative.
There's also the national flag skin ban to be maintained.