So open is no more viable...

If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined. <Navy mode OFF> Seriously though, play in a group where they can't touch you. Let 'em get all salty that they have no prey... errr.. I mean "content"

Mobius is one option but we know these guys invade that group and the fact that they will get kicked for it is small consolation when your ship gets vaporized. Suggest you do as I do these days and mostly play in a group populated only by folks I or another group member knows in RL and can vouch for as not being a complete Diminutive Richard.
 
I thought you understood this particular mechanic? Open gets abused...no one plays there. <shrug>

Awareness and appropriateness are two different things the last time I checked.
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Only for the PVP players. And the devs really do not care for those folks in this game so...they won't be fixing the issues any time soon! They haven't addressed them in nearly two years now....nothing is going to change on this front!

So let the PK'ers PK...they'll only be one dimensional NPC's...and people can play for their 'challenge' or avoid them in the other 'modes'.

By that logic the devs care about the Pkers more than "PvP" players, which is very ironic, almost comical, so I don't think that's the case.
 
"Legitimate PvP" is the Crackpoint here.
Because here is exactly the Problem :)

See Mate.
If we go Strictly by the Rules. Any PvP is Legitimate. Even Interdicting a Sidewinder with 4 Anacondas is Legitimate PvP.

Let me clarify then, what I mean is PvP that has immediately visible and reasonable context such as piracy and bounty hunting.

But if we go just as Strictly by the Rules. Combat Logging is Legitimate as well. :)
Because guess what. It is currently neither Punished nor Explicitly stated to be against the Rules its something that you can do and which is not prevented in any way by the Game.

BOTH however has been Stated by FD as being Unsportsmanlike and Undesired Behavior which they dont want to see :)

Actually combat logging is an exploit clearly declared by FD but the combat scenario which you describe is not, on the other hand.

Legitimate PvPers usually dont encounter Combat Logging. They Fight in Conflict Zones or by doing Duels. They dont Interdict and Gangbang on a Single Weaker Enemy in Super Cruise which is likely not only a much weaker Ship and Outnumbered but not even Equipped for Player vs Player Combat.
So your Claim there that this would drive the Honorable PvPers is Rubbish.
Because People who look for an Honest and Fair Fight will usually not encounter Combat Logging. Which is Logical because they usually Fight each other.

Unless you believe piracy and bounty hunting aren't legitimate, which I find it comical. Pirates go after ships that are vulnerable cargo hauling ships by the very definition of its profession that trader can compensate by properly arming themselves or having escorts. Bounty hunting targets a specific wanted players, sometimes performed in a wing to ensure the target's destruction. In both cases they can be "unfair."

So the rubbish comes not from me, but you.


Its a nice Double Standart you guys always like to Employ.

Who is this "you guys?"


Calling the Unfair and Unsportsmanlike Griefing and Seal Clubbing your doing "Legitimate PvP" while vlaiming the Unsportmanlike Combat Logging to be against the Rules.

Because they are exactly that, however much I actually disapprove of seal clubbing and random player killing.

In the End what your doing there is abusing a Weakness in the Game Mechanics to Attack Enemies far below your own level.
And the Combat Loggers are doing the exactly same. They are abusing a Weakness in the Game Mechanics to get away from these much more Powerful Enemies far beyond their own level.

Random player killing does not ensure that the target is always weaker than the attacker. But then I don't participate in that whatsoever so I don't see how I'm being "bundled" into this category that you created.

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I suggest that you put a stop to your stereotyping without proper research. I'm certain you don't want me to categorize you as a "carebear" for simply disagreeing with my stance.

So check your etiquette.

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I.ll say this Clearly.
FD will do something about this Problem.
But dont expect them to do it in the way you think it should be done.

Because FD will likely not only Fight the Results of this Problem.
They will also Fight the Roots.

So in the Patchnotes which state that Logging during Combat becomes a Bannable Offense or is simply not possible cause your Ship simply stays in the Game for another 60 Seconds after you Quit.
You should better expect that there will also be standing. That Preying on much Inferior Enemies will become a Bannable Offense. Or that you will gain Insane Legacy Fines and Bounties upon Preying on Enemies much smaller than you.

FD's current approach to the issue if they are trying to resolve it is asinine for the reason I provided, which you haven't refuted whatsoever.

Crime and punishment is at fault for not making clean ship destruction have meaningful consequences.
 
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Operation SpIcY BoIs is in full swing. This community will be brought to its knees. Protip: Stay out of open. It belongs to SDC and the Americans.

Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.
 
Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

Well, the socialists never agreed with the capitalists .-.

Former's idealistically hypocritical.

Latter's pragmatically callous.
 
Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

I can confirm: I play a *lot* in solo, and I've never, ever met an american while doing so!
 
Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

Not sure it's particular to one geographic area really - Yanks do tend to be quite vociferous in their opinions as a general rule of thumb (which is neither good nor bad - just a casual observation). I'm Scottish (if that has any relevance) and prefer pvp to be taking place around me as it makes things more interesting, but I'll only partake in a fight if I see a profit in it for me and if I'm reasonably sure I'll win (win = not losing in my book, so succesfull running away counts as a "win" :D ) - oh, and I've never fought a "fair" fight in my life (real or in a game) and never intend to either - and I'll steal your boots off your corpse as well.
I'm a Dontcarebear :p
 
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Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

I'm a Solo player (and hail from The Colonies :D), and you can call it cowering if you wish, I just don't like multiplayer games. I get all the PvP I need, on the forums ;)
 
Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

I never thought about it that way, my attitude being linked to my nationality, but I would definitely never play in Private/Solo modes.
 
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Well, the socialists never agreed with the capitalists .-.

Former's idealistically hypocritical.

Latter's pragmatically callous.

Fascists and hard-line capitalists seem to get along just fine. Because they both are essentially feudal oligarchies. And some "gentle" capitalists get along with some pragmatic socialists.

Not sure how this impacts solo/open populations but I can see the former enjoying PVP and the latter enjoying PWE. With some cross over.
 
Well, the socialists never agreed with the capitalists.

The opposite of Socialism is Liberalism, not Fascism (although socialists like to insist on the latter as its convenient). In fact, many socialist countries are fascist (like in totalitarian, disallowed multiple political factions).

Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

I love Open and I'm not america, not even the same continent.
 
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Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.
You're being a bit stereotypical and perhaps seeing what you want to see. The Mobius PVE group, which is for US Time Zones currently has 11000+ members.
And if you play in Open, I am not surprised you haven't met people that play in PG/Solo ;)
 
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The opposite of Socialism is Liberalism, not Fascism (although socialists like to insist on the latter as its convenient).



I love Open and I'm not america, not even the same continent.

Really? Here in the states what we call a Liberal is basically the twin of a socialist; all the libs around my neck of the woods think socialism is awesome!

@CMDR Arguendo, you're always going to find a certain demographic who want "easy mode" no matter where you go:) Though, while we're on the topic, I wonder how many Americans who fly in Mobius are in fact Liberals?
 
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Really? Here in the states what we call a Liberal is basically the twin of a socialist; all the libs around my neck of the woods think socialism is awesome!

The left vs right political spectrum varies according to country/society. Liberals in america are somewhat "leftish" because they are less to the right than the republicans.

In europe, both the american liberals and republicans would place further to the right than most european right spectrum parties.

But as a whole, Socialism advocates to collective property and state centered managenent of all things, while Liberalism advocates individual freedoms and private property.

To me, they both have their pros and cons, ultimately both their cons end up outweighting their pros. That's why I am a far-middle extremist :D


edit: I meant republicans, not conservatives.
 
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Really? Here in the states what we call a Liberal is basically the twin of a socialist; all the libs around my neck of the woods think socialism is awesome!

@CMDR Arguendo, you're always going to find a certain demographic who want "easy mode" no matter where you go:) Though, while we're on the topic, I wonder how many Americans who fly in Mobius are in fact Liberals?

At the risk of further de-railing this thread, PG/Open is easy mode, Solo is hardcore mode! No wings, cheating AI, just one CMDR vs. The Machine (Cheating Machine at that!) [up]

I'm now reporting myself for going off topic and directing myself to the O/PG/S megathread. :D
 
At the risk of further de-railing this thread, PG/Open is easy mode, Solo is hardcore mode! No wings, cheating AI, just one CMDR vs. The Machine (Cheating Machine at that!) [up]

I'm now reporting myself for going off topic and directing myself to the O/PG/S megathread. :D

Ziljan started it!
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
I'm American and I always cower, err play, in Solo. :)

Multi crew may bring me out of my hidey hole... we will see. Right now there isn't a lot of meaningful (to me) player interaction besides ship to ship combat.
 
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Operation SpIcY BoIs is in full swing. This community will be brought to its knees. Protip: Stay out of open. It belongs to SDC and the Americans.

Happened to meet two of your wings yesterday and just combat-logged after the 3rd interdiction, each time. Lame performance.

Didn't know, though, that you are worshippers of Pikachu the Yellow, but well, that's what you will be known for from now. Spread the word, folks! [noob]
 
Really? Here in the states what we call a Liberal is basically the twin of a socialist; all the libs around my neck of the woods think socialism is awesome!

@CMDR Arguendo, you're always going to find a certain demographic who want "easy mode" no matter where you go:) Though, while we're on the topic, I wonder how many Americans who fly in Mobius are in fact Liberals?

> I'm American / Solo / Libertarian. Does that help?

PS. I smell a poll coming on! :D
 

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Now I'm wondering if this is a thing because it seems most people who are fine with Open and tolerate PVP seem to be American. Not all, there are some feisty people from all over the planet, but I haven't met many Americans that cower in Group/Solo. Hmmm.

I know this will sound unbelievable, but I've never actually met anyone american or otherwise in solo...not sure bout group though cos I've never been in a group ^^
 
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