Spring dlc Speculation 2023

jcp011c

jcp011c
SalamAnders said:
I expect exceptions
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To a degree yes, but we may be setting ourselves up for disappointment if that's the expectation for all things "bird exhibit" wise. Which keep in mind, we haven't even gotten or been promised a single bird in the WTEs yet. Though I think it's likely.

Hummingbirds, Lorikeets and Budgies should be easy enough to do multiples of. Macaws are probably the most important addition in terms of groups of birds (more on that in a second), and it's unfortunate they kind of fall in this whole "maybe" grey area. I'd love to get several Macaws personally.

Bald Eagles are without a doubt my most wanted flying animal. Maybe it's nationalism, but there we have it. I'd like to think we could get more than one Eagle....if we even get one (which we may not at all.) And then there's groups like Toucans, which are absolutely iconic birds, Cockatoos, Hornbills, Owls, Woodpeckers, Kingfishers...just to name a few.

Maybe what's a thought on those types of birds, is to get us to the point of having two each of them. It would get us more than one, but because there would be more work to be done per model, expecting five would be unrealistic. Honestly, if we got the Bald and Golden Eagle, I'd be 100% fine for Eagles. The Toco and Keel Billed Toucan, and so forth with other groups.

Sadly, I think regarding Macaws...if they do put them in a pack, we'll probably be wanting more. Macaws are the one type of bird that I'd love to have more than just two....five would be amazing but we'll probably not get that. Still, if they made it work for just one group of birds, to have more than two representatives, Macaws are hands down where they should put that effort, IMO anyways.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Marvinb said:
Why just 20?
Id assume we get 2 scenery and 2 animal packs this year, adding them all up would leave us with 36 if they stick to the 4+1 or 7+1 formular
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I was only counting habitat animals, which gives us 4+7+4+7=22, assuming 4 packs. 23 if we get an anniversary animals.

With exhibits we just have no pattern to make expectations upon.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
yoav_r said:
I was only counting habitat animals, which gives us 4+7+4+7=22, assuming 4 packs. 23 if we get an anniversary animals.

With exhibits we just have no pattern to make expectations upon.
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Gah, 23 habitat animals. It can work but it leaves out so many. No one's going to end up completely happy with the entire official roster, there will be animals that everyone wants that don't make it in. But that was probably obvious from the start of the game. Even if Frontier ran this game 20 years, there would still be animals that someone would want to make it in that didn't. I digress though, with extreme examples.

23 habitat animals....4 habitat birds please Frontier. at least 4 primates mostly in the new world please, maybe 6 total. Iconically recognizable animals like a Rabbit, Sloth, Walrus, Porcupine. 3 more Petting Zoo/Farm land animals. 3 more Island animals (assuming the Kiwi is one that leaves the Fossa, Tree Kangaroo and Tasmanian Devil).

That's 18-20 animals right there, depending on the primates. And we still have the Spectacled Bear, the Patagonian Mara, Hot Take Hog, Wolverine, Sand Cat, Dromedary, Black Rhino, Coatimundi, Wild Boar, and Collared Peccary that are heavily talked about. Never mind the clone/pick your variants like a second Giraffe, second Zebra and so forth.

That's why I keep hoping that there will be 6 more packs. 4 is cutting it so close, things are going to get left out. By that I mean majorly discussed and wanted animals. Of course some things are going to be left out (see first paragraph). Adding in another 11 habitat spots make this so much more comfortable and possible.
 

AndyZoos

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yoav_r said:
The Africa pack says hi
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Yeah, the Africa pack was a weird move. But honestly, if people hadn't pointed it out I would have had absolutely no clue that the architecture was specific to North Africa. And I suspect I'm not alone in that... So I don't think that was quite as jarring as the "islands" theme, really.
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Alkaline Andy said:
Yeah, the Africa pack was a weird move. But honestly, if people hadn't pointed it out I would have had absolutely no clue that the architecture was specific to North Africa. And I suspect I'm not alone in that... So I don't think that was quite as jarring as the "islands" theme, really.
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I might debate that plaster walls might be a tiny bit more widespread than north Africa, more of here's a warm climate building set vaguely themed after north Africa and here's one single animal to complement the scenery pieces

... Which is exactly what the forum is suggesting for a island scenery pack. But thinking about it we are suggesting a Polynesian theme (which we already have the pieces for) to be paired with new Zealand, Tasmania, Papua New Guinea and Madagascar animals
 
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If it should be Islands Scenery I expect just a very general theme for tropical Islands Perhaps also allowing the inclusion of something like Bungalows. I really do not think that the animals have to be really connected to the scenery so close. For me that would be no problem.
 

AndyZoos

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Captain Callum said:
I might debate that plaster walls might be a tiny bit more widespread than north Africa, more of here's a warm climate building set vaguely themed after north Africa and here's one single animal to complement the scenery pieces

... Which is exactly what the forum is suggesting for a island scenery pack. But thinking about it we are suggesting a Polynesian theme (which we already have the pieces for) to be paired with new Zealand, Tasmania, Papua New Guinea and Madagascar animals
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I hear you with the plaster walls. But I was talking about more the design, etc. And even then - I'm just sorta parroting what I've heard other people say.

But this is exactly my point. The "islands" idea is generally animals that primarily live in-land in areas that are fairly dense with trees. Not by the oceans... And from regions where we've already had building sets (to some degree). If people were calling for "islands" with a different roster, I'd feel differently.

yoav_r said:
The vast majority of people wpuldn't be able to tell the difference between carribean and polynesian architecture, especially if they mix in resort-style pieces which I suspect they would
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I mean, sure. But the animals that have been named by and large... Aren't Caribbean either. It's Madagascar, Tasmania, New Zealand, etc. And it's mostly animals that live in-land. It's just such a stark difference compared to the Africa DLC (see above).

It would be like having a "desert" DLC that included two animals from Africa, an animal that lived only in North America, and an animal from Australia... And having the building set be just for Central America.

I'm sure there's other things Frontier could do to make it work. But I don't think it will look the way people are imagining it might (hypothetically, anyway LOL).
 

NachoB

NachoB
Captain Callum said:
This makes me wonder, where exactly did this island roster come from? Who thought of such odd choices that no casual player would resemble with islands
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Which roster?

I think the tree kangaroo is the odd one out if you are talking the classic TS + fossa + kiwi + kangaroo

Tasmanian devil: name is known from popular media and at leas sounds familiar to most people, with Tasmania (an island) being part of the name
Kiwi: i think casual players would at least recognize the bird, is pretty iconic and memeable, and i also think most people would associate it with NZ
Fossa: maybe this one is a bit more obscure for the casual player, but it had some pop culture presence with the Madagascar movies (and once again, associated with Madagascar, an island, because of it)
 
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AndyZoos

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Captain Callum said:
This makes me wonder, where exactly did this island roster come from? Who thought of such odd choices that no casual player would resemble with islands
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I mean, it's mostly a way to get a bunch of animals in-game that people are really wanting. They all do technically live on islands. And if it's an animal pack then it would make perfect sense and I wouldn't even be questioning it.

The roster that's leading people to say they want an "islands" pack just doesn't quite line up with what typical theming might be. To focus on islands... They would want to go for beaches, things along the coast, etc. Which wouldn't quite work for the Tasmanian devil, tree kangaroo, kiwi, etc.

And honestly? I wouldn't hate it if we got an Island pack that was just that. Those highly-requested animals with coastal scenery. I would buy it in a second... But the animals and scenery would be so disparate that I don't really see it happening.
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
NachoB said:
What roster?

I think the tree kangaroo is the odd one out if you are talking the classic TS + fossa + kiwi + kangaroo

Tasmanian devil: name is known from popular media and at leas sounds familiar to most people, with Tasmania (an island) being part of the name
Kiwi: i think casual players would at least recognize the bird, is pretty iconic and memeable, and i also think most people would associate it with NZ
Fossa: maybe this one is a bit more obscure for the casual player, but it had some pop culture presence with the Madagascar movies (and once again, associated with Madagascar, an island, because of it)
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Yes the classic islands pack that apparently is engraved in stone at that point. I understand the devil and the fossa, that's it . The kiwi and tree kangaroo just seems so odd for a generalised islands pack where I think the island pack must have heavy Oceania bias in its origins

Having not a single animal that embodies the tropical beach island vibe is a really bad mistake on marketing a dlc pack. We can be very short sighted at times
 

Chuditch

Chuditch
Captain Callum said:
This makes me wonder, where exactly did this island roster come from? Who thought of such odd choices that no casual player would resemble with islands
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I don’t know if it had a single origin, I think a lot of people came to the same conclusion independently - I know I did (you can see the beginnings of it from this old Islands Animal Pack idea of mine). Me personally, I don’t think of white sandy beaches and coconuts when I hear the word “islands”, I think of the unique animals and ecosystems that they call home, and I imagine for many other animal and zoo fans it’s similar.
 

NachoB

NachoB
Chuditch said:
I don’t know if it had a single origin, I think a lot of people came to the same conclusion independently - I know I did (you can see the beginnings of it from this old Islands Animal Pack idea of mine). Me personally, I don’t think of white sandy beaches and coconuts when I hear the word “islands”, I think of the unique animals and ecosystems that they call home, and I imagine for many other animal and zoo fans it’s similar.
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Yeah me too aswell but being objective most people do think of white beaches and palm trees and clear blue waters when they think of islands, so i somewhat agree that there should be at least ONE Caribbean animal. I would like a pelican over the flamingo, but then again it is the most iconic.
 
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