They are definitely cool monkeys and I didn't forget about them! I just didn't include them because I don't know any zoos off the top of my head that has them. I personally only want to only include animals that are kept in zoos somewhat commonly, even though Frontier doesn't necessarily follow this rhetoric all the time. I know that this criterion is frowned upon, but to me, it's important cause I like to build realistic (American) zoos, with rosters you would actually see in real life.
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huh normally i'm the one needing to search on google to discover a new monkey, antelope or asian bird.
i second this, and the alaotran gentle lemurUnpopular opinion: I would love to see lion-tailed macaques and lar gibbons too
Not unpopular with me! Lion-tailed macaques would be cool! I haven't looked into them myself, but maybe this is a sign that I should. The only reason that I chose the white-cheeked gibbon over the lar gibbon is just a slight edge in personal preference. I would be stoked to have either one!Unpopular opinion: I would love to see lion-tailed macaques and lar gibbons too
I wasn't aiming that at you personally, just an observation in general i was wondering about a couple of other species. I remember seeing them at my either at my local zoo or in london in the nineties but i think they are probably less common in zoos now than they used to be 30 years ago. (don't dwell on the 90s being 30 years ago)
They really didn't figure out brachiation--it's an animation used exclusively for one enrichment set. The struggle with sloths would be their total lack of movement and the fact that they never leave the ground except to defecate. That suggests to me that they'd be implemented as walkthrough exhibit animals with looped animations, but that might upset people.
No Barbary macaque. I feel offended.
Weird we dont have any chamaleon or cobra. But at this point I doubt frontier will return to terrariums
They’re rare in captivity and relatively obscure in general so I assume it’s a lack of awareness plus there being actual dozens of higher priority monkeys
I don’t think either of these are all that unpopular honestlyUnpopular opinion: I would love to see lion-tailed macaques and lar gibbons too
They just dont exist in captivity.
If we only get 2 SA monkeys and all 2 of them dont exist in zoos, when SA monkeys are among the most common, frontier really should question themself on wjat their doing.
+ Wooly monkeys arnt really unique, they are pretty much a lesser white faced saki for the purposes of this game
For South American monkeys, my 2 big ones are howlers (I'd love to hear their chorus behavior) and spider monkeys (who'd have the unique brachiation animation que using enrichment).
For smaller species, like tamarins and marmosets, I'm not even sure how Frontier would do them. They'd be the smallest habitat animals in the game, assuming they're habitat animals. Or would they make them WE animals? I'm not really sure.
If they're WE animals, I think they can possibly get away with it as these small monkeys are always running around the same spots and then just hanging out in a corner (at least in my experience when I've seen them)
If they're habitat animals, it'd be ok, but I wouldn't want to build huge habitats for them...
I'm torn, y'all
For smaller species, like tamarins and marmosets, I'm not even sure how Frontier would do them. They'd be the smallest habitat animals in the game, assuming they're habitat animals. Or would they make them WE animals? I'm not really sure.
If they're WE animals, I think they can possibly get away with it as these small monkeys are always running around the same spots and then just hanging out in a corner (at least in my experience when I've seen them)
If they're habitat animals, it'd be ok, but I wouldn't want to build huge habitats for them...
I'm torn, y'all
Well tamarins are only a tiny bit smaller than prarie dogs and we got those as habitat animals , I can't see much issues with having basically a smaller capuchin monkey which when near 0% size is small enough. Also yes I would love to make indoor habitats for the tamarins , a small jungle room with a single tree for them to climb would look great
Picking up the Monkeys/Primate conversation, I do feel like given the massive amounts of species within, if we include apes, monkeys, lemurs, tamarins, etc, that we have a relatively small amount. Primates are not one of my favorite groups of animals, but they probably overall are the most needed out of all the mammal groups.
Ideally, at least 2 more New World Monkeys. Howler Monkey for sure and either the Spider Or Squirrel Monkey. Or all 3. But at least 2 of them.
I'd love see a tamarin or marmoset, but like @DarthQuell mentioned, they're so small. I'm not sure how I feel about them in WEs, maybe would be okay.
Lemurs, I'm personally quite alright with the 3 we have, but I wouldn't be opposed with another. It would need to be visually distinct though.
Apes, I too think we're in a good spot, but I'm not opposed to and we'll probably get a second Gibbon.
Ideally, at least 2 more New World Monkeys. Howler Monkey for sure and either the Spider Or Squirrel Monkey. Or all 3. But at least 2 of them.
I'd love see a tamarin or marmoset, but like @DarthQuell mentioned, they're so small. I'm not sure how I feel about them in WEs, maybe would be okay.
Lemurs, I'm personally quite alright with the 3 we have, but I wouldn't be opposed with another. It would need to be visually distinct though.
Apes, I too think we're in a good spot, but I'm not opposed to and we'll probably get a second Gibbon.
Fortunately golden lion tamarin, which is arguably best option thanks to conservation story and popularity, also:
- biggest species of callitrichidae, reaching sizes of animals like meerkat and squirrel monkey. All lion tamarins are big, have no idea why, maybe isolation in atlantic forest?
- possess thick coat with famous mane so animal model will naturally look bigger in game.
- and most important: it is so freaking bright you wont have problem looking for it in habitat. Small animals might blend with surroundings, but this monke will always stand out
Yeah, personally if we do get a tamarin, the Golden Lion Tamarin is one of two I'd prefer, the other being the Emperor Tamarin. To me, they're both very distinct looking.
The actual problem with tamarins' size is the climbing system, not theur size alone.
Tamarins always jump and climb on tiny branches to a level the climbing system can't handle.
So a habitat tamarin would have the same problem as the koala but worse. They'd be mostly on the ground and sometimes climb very unrealistically on the climbing branches which would be huge compared to them.
Hence I'm on the Tamarins as WEs team, as it'd allow for much more detailed and realistic animations.
Yeah didn't think of it that much , guess I'll stick to mods for those kinds of animals then. I just can't do with the WE for small habitat animals
I have the same opinion on the sloth. I know some people like @Leaf Productions believe it can be habitat animals, and I believe them, but I volunteered in a zoo with sloths for 7 years and literally never saw the sloths on the ground, so having the sloths walking would be very immersion breaking for me.
Preface: all of this is relating to discussion of mammals. Birds are...literally...a whole other animal for discussion and their near-absence makes all zoo section feel incomplete.
The sloth is a bit of an anomaly. It's well known to the general public and would help sell a pack to more casual players, is very different from everything we have in the game, and is also highly requested by the more active community. Yet, it does come with all of these potential hurdles and limitations. I think they'll manage to make it work, while it's not an absolutely necessary inclusion, it's high awareness profile would mean that its absence from the game would definitely be felt. Like...in several of my zoos, I'm pretty happy with my South American and jungle/rainforest sections, but it's the one mammal that's really missing from them. Though of course everyone will have animals they feel that way about, and it wouldn't always be the sloth. Many would consider the South American and jungle/rainforest sections incomplete without more monkeys.
Still, I think overall the sloth is probably the mammal that will do the most to enhance its respective zoo section. Though there's definitely clearly higher requested animals for other continents, South America is the one continent that still feel truly incomplete, and for me it's entirely due to not having the Sloth. Which is strange because you'd think it'd be higher on my want list (it's at #4) but I can't say that we can't make Africa, North America, Asia and Oceania sections with it still missing a critical inclusion. That's just my opinion of course.
To be fair, without any aviary birds, we'd still need the following for a "realistic" south america section:
- Any coati
- Any sloth
- At least 2 tamarins/marmosets
- An agouti
- A spider monkey
- A howler
- A squirrel monkey
- Mara
- A rhea
I hardly see SA getting close to complete in the game.
I feel the same way about the koala. Since we got it as a habitat species, I don’t see a sloth being handled differently. This isn’t an endorsement of either of these species using the koala approach, I’m just saying, it’s not unlikely to happen.