Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11

[jmp470]

No.


Not particularly fascinating since it's so blatantly obvious that the two are not comparable. One is a gaming setup and/or peripheral with a wide range of applications — the other is a jpeg with no clear or concrete utility.

You can justify it how you want. But, at least I know that when SWTOR came out in 2011 it cost me $1200 for a windows laptop. I also realize that VR and ED cost me $2500 when I built a computer to run them.

Edit: That was just the computer. Then I bought VR (returned them, as I’m not a fan) and bought a $1200 monitor (49” Samsung curved gaming monitor). Had my Yeti fall and crack the screen, which was not fixable! Then I bought a $900 Dell Alienware 34” curved gaming monitor.

Acting like I need those types of machines for word, or email is a very big stretch. I don’t need to lie to myself!

 

[Tippis]

You can justify it how you want.

It's not a justification. It's a simple fact.

There's a difference between a $500 egg cooker and a $5000 stove. One is a pointless and hideously overpriced gimmick that, if it works in any useful way at all, only does one thing; the other lets you make all kinds of food, and the price is most likely indicative of either quality or features or, most likely, both.

If you buy a $1000+ anything to play a single game, you've done goofed.

 

[hairychris]

You can justify it how you want. But, at least I know that when SWTOR came out in 2011 it cost me $1200 for a windows laptop. I also realize that VR and ED cost me $2500 when I built a computer to run them.

Edit: That was just the computer. Then I bought VR (returned them, as I’m not a fan) and bought a $1200 monitor (49” Samsung curved gaming monitor). Had my Yeti fall and crack the screen, which was not fixable! Then I bought a $900 Dell Alienware 34” curved gaming monitor.

Acting like I need those types of machines for word, or email is a very big stretch. I don’t need to lie to myself!

Yeah, but you can use that gear for other things, and once you paid for it it's yours.

CIG's ships are in 1 game that may or may not be released at some point in the future.

Utterly different scenario.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You can justify it how you want. But, at least I know that when SWTOR came out in 2011 it cost me $1200 for a windows laptop. I also realize that VR and ED cost me $2500 when I built a computer to run them.

Edit: That was just the computer. Then I bought VR (returned them, as I’m not a fan) and bought a $1200 monitor (49” Samsung curved gaming monitor). Had my Yeti fall and crack the screen, which was not fixable! Then I bought a $900 Dell Alienware 34” curved gaming monitor.

Acting like I need those types of machines for word, or email is a very big stretch. I don’t need to lie to myself!

No, it cost you only the subscription or whatever price model it was. It'd be pretty silly to put the hardware cost on the bill for the software.

 

[jmp470]

No, it cost you only the subscription or whatever price model it was. It'd be pretty silly to put the hardware cost on the bill for the software.

Why? The US Tax code allows you to write off hardware if you need to run a software program for work.

I cannot speak for other countries, obviously.

 

[Viajero]

That doesn’t include the rig to run it does it? So to play microsoft flight, say a $75 game, you need to invest $5000?

Yet, a $500 ship is expensive to some... Fascinating.

That statement is so ridiculously flawed and out of whack that sometimes it is very hard to believe you are not under CIG´s payroll either directly or indirectly, mate . Nothing wrong with the latter though, but at least readers would know where the poster is coming from, literally, if that was the case.

With a $5000 rig I would probably play at max graphic settings and no sweat some of the most demanding games around, things like Assassin Creed Odyssey, Far Cry 5, Witcher 3, Forza Horizon 4, Metro Exodus, plus obviously any VR game around I may fancy. In addition to any and all the non gaming related capabilities, video and pic processing etc.

A $500 ship jpeg does not really allow for any of that now, does it. It basically only allows me to wait a few more years with an incomplete, bugged and unstable demo until SC development gets some kind of closure. Now you can of course put your money where you may well please, including SC, but if you make that decision public you will also have to allow some patrons to publicly rise eye brows a bit at it, the higher the amount the higher the eye brow rise

 

[Surefoot]

That doesn’t include the rig to run it does it? So to play microsoft flight, say a $75 game, you need to invest $5000?

Yet, a $500 ship is expensive to some... Fascinating.

Dude. Remind us what kind of rig you need to run SC properly, with smooth framerates even in ArcCorp Area 18. Yeah.
This kind rig can run any VR rig, blindfolded and hands tied. Lets be serious. And gasp it can also run other games like DCS and even Elite Dangerous ! Yay !
And no, it doesnt cost $5000, even when going for 2080Ti and such...

Also what kind of fallacy is that we need to buy a new PC for just one game ???
(edit) so technically, yes a 2011 entry level laptop is enough to contemplate your $500 JPEG ship...

 

[Agony_Aunt]

You can justify it how you want. But, at least I know that when SWTOR came out in 2011 it cost me $1200 for a windows laptop. I also realize that VR and ED cost me $2500 when I built a computer to run them.

Edit: That was just the computer. Then I bought VR (returned them, as I’m not a fan) and bought a $1200 monitor (49” Samsung curved gaming monitor). Had my Yeti fall and crack the screen, which was not fixable! Then I bought a $900 Dell Alienware 34” curved gaming monitor.

Acting like I need those types of machines for word, or email is a very big stretch. I don’t need to lie to myself!

Well, i don't know about you, but i have a gaming computer that meets my gaming needs already, that is of value for me for my gaming as well as my work. I have the computer anyway, and it runs most games decently.

Whereas a SC JPG only has use as a JPG for Star Citizen. Perhaps for printing out and sticking over your monitor so you can pretend CIG have actually implemented it (one for the BMM owners). If you like you can occasionally say "pew pew" at your monitor, while dreaming about all the varied gameplay that CIG have promised you that you one day will have. Just as long as you believe hard enough... also gib moar monies please.

 

[StuartGT]

You can justify it how you want. But, at least I know that when SWTOR came out in 2011 it cost me $1200 for a windows laptop. I also realize that VR and ED cost me $2500 when I built a computer to run them.

Edit: That was just the computer. Then I bought VR (returned them, as I’m not a fan) and bought a $1200 monitor (49” Samsung curved gaming monitor). Had my Yeti fall and crack the screen, which was not fixable! Then I bought a $900 Dell Alienware 34” curved gaming monitor.

Acting like I need those types of machines for word, or email is a very big stretch. I don’t need to lie to myself!

You bought a laptop just for one game? And a VR headset and PC just for one other game?

Pro-tip: you can install and play more than one game on a computer during its usable life.

I think i've played 30-40 games in just this year.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I think i've played 30-40 games in just this year.

Yes, but none of them were the best damn space sim never developed!

 

[Zaphod Hawke]

Dude. Remind us what kind of rig you need to run SC properly, with smooth framerates even in ArcCorp Area 18. Yeah.
This kind rig can run any VR rig, blindfolded and hands tied. Lets be serious. And gasp it can also run other games like DCS and even Elite Dangerous ! Yay !
And no, it doesnt cost $5000, even when going for 2080Ti and such...

Also what kind of fallacy is that we need to buy a new PC for just one game ???
(edit) so technically, yes a 2011 entry level laptop is enough to contemplate your $500 JPEG ship...

Clearly you haven't built a "top of the line" gaming PC in a while. Sure, I can build a perfectly adequate PC for around $1500. But if I build one out to include all of the nice things I want, $5000 is usually a good guess as to how much it's going to cost. In fact, it's fairly easy to go right past that $5k amount if money isn't a concern.

Well, i don't know about you, but i have a gaming computer that meets my gaming needs already, that is of value for me for my gaming as well as my work. I have the computer anyway, and it runs most games decently.

Whereas a SC JPG only has use as a JPG for Star Citizen. Perhaps for printing out and sticking over your monitor so you can pretend CIG have actually implemented it (one for the BMM owners). If you like you can occasionally say "pew pew" at your monitor, while dreaming about all the varied gameplay that CIG have promised you that you one day will have. Just as long as you believe hard enough... also gib moar monies please.

But... will it run Star Citizen?

You bought a laptop just for one game? And a VR headset and PC just for one other game?

Pro-tip: you can install and play more than one game on a computer during its usable life.

I think i've played 30-40 games in just this year.

So what if I told you I bought a VR headset for a single game, and that game was Elite Dangerous? (I didn't... but all of us here have at least rubbed elbows with dozens of people who did. Dozens!)

I did, however build a $2k+ PC just for Elite Dangerous, and now use it primarily for Star Citizen and DCS world. But it probably has 30 or more other games installed which I play less frequently.

 

[Surefoot]

Clearly you haven't built a "top of the line" gaming PC in a while. Sure, I can build a perfectly adequate PC for around $1500. But if I build one out to include all of the nice things I want, $5000 is usually a good guess as to how much it's going to cost. In fact, it's fairly easy to go right past that $5k amount if money isn't a concern.

My Caselabs watercooled rig wants a word with you And i tried hard to get expensive components but it's not $5000... closer to $3000 give or take. Thing is, I iterate over previous builds, that's also the PC magic, i can just change the GPU now and be good for 2 more years. And it plays my whole steam library of 500+ games, not just SC (including quite a few good VR titles..) - yes even Crysis - still i get stutters in SC ...

 

[Zaphod Hawke]

My Caselabs watercooled rig wants a word with you And i tried hard to get expensive components but it's not $5000... closer to $3000 give or take. Thing is, I iterate over previous builds, that's also the PC magic, i can just change the GPU now and be good for 2 more years. And it plays my whole steam library of 500+ games, not just SC (including quite a few good VR titles..) - yes even Crysis - still i get stutters in SC ...

I did say "top of the line"... not "good enough".

A quick foray to my favorite site yields a fairly nice build at just under $6500. That's with a single video card, and no monitor.

(Edit: this was an Intel build, btw. I could go crazy with an AMD build right now.)

 

[cheesenbiscuits]

Yet, a $500 ship is expensive to some... Fascinating.

That's precisly what they want you to think.

 

[AJW]

I just pity the people that bought a new gaming rig just to run SC. Back in 2014.

 

[Ed02349]

Hi, I'd like to ask how is the lawsuit going? I haven't seen anything about it for a while, is it over?
Also do you think SC and SQ42 will be finished/released before CR dies?
At the rate I've seen it going I don't think they'll ever release.

 

[jmp470]

My Caselabs watercooled rig wants a word with you And i tried hard to get expensive components but it's not $5000... closer to $3000 give or take. Thing is, I iterate over previous builds, that's also the PC magic, i can just change the GPU now and be good for 2 more years. And it plays my whole steam library of 500+ games, not just SC (including quite a few good VR titles..) - yes even Crysis - still i get stutters in SC ...

Does that include your monitors for $3K?

 

[Azirphaeli]

That doesn’t include the rig to run it does it? So to play microsoft flight, say a $75 game, you need to invest $5000?

Yet, a $500 ship is expensive to some... Fascinating.

Completely false analogy.

I have rig that costs less than $2,000 if I add up all the bits around the prices I paid for them. Add VR (at the price I paid, $800 and not the going price now, only around $400) and it's less than $2.8k to play literally anything I want. VR games, Elite, even SC if I felt in need of some punishment. In addition I can browse the web, edit photos, watch videos, research interesting things, watch movies with friends, chat, and do all sorts of fun activities with my investment in a decent PC.

Now, a jpg of a ship that isn't in a game that hasn't launched.. $500 (+ the cost of the rig that you seem to suddenly not care about so using my same setup less than $2,500) and I can look at it. Think about it. Hope that one day I can do something with it.

That's a much more apt comparison.

Also:

With a $5000 rig I would probably play at max graphic settings and no sweat some of the most demanding games around, things like Assassin Creed Odyssey, Far Cry 5, Witcher 3, Forza Horizon 4, Metro Exodus, plus obviously any VR game around I may fancy.

Not needed, my outdated rig runs everything maxed no problem and costs way less than $5k.

 

[VR Golgot]

Hi, I'd like to ask how is the lawsuit going?

Currently going to jury trial, barring any settlement. Scheduled for about June 2020 I think.

The big points of contention seem to be whether the license allowed CIG to market/sell SQ42 as a stand-alone game, and whether they’re still in effect using CryEngine code (and so still bound by the license, despite the move to Lumberyard).

Also do you think SC and SQ42 will be finished/released before CR dies?
At the rate I've seen it going I don't think they'll ever release.

Neither seems ready for release in 2020, going by the PU & the SQ42 roadmap. But hey, a chapter here, a soft launch there, who knows

 

[Tippis]

It's kind of funny how this started out as “You can justify it how you want. [but] I don’t need to lie to myself!” and now that side of the argument is coming up with some pretty fanciful — seemingly quite wilfully self-deceptive — attempts at justifying what sounds like outrageously bad purchase decisions.

I guess in the interest of disclosure epeen-waving, I should mention that I have a setup that cost me somewhere in the $5,500 region — more than half of that is the HOTAS setup… and the less said about how much I spent on DCS, the better