Fair enough and thank you for your explanation.
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Fair enough and thank you for your explanation.
Ah, hello again. As the author of "that thread", I'm curious: what exactly do you think is "not particularly clear"? (To be honest, reading that here of all places did give me a chuckle
) By the way, ELWs in a white dwarf main star system are exceedingly rare regardless of what they are orbiting there, so it doesn't really matter what other stars might or might not be in the system. 1,400 ly above inside the core counts as high? If you say so. More importantly, since you said that's a well-written description, I read it, and well... Let's just say that every sentence had at least one error in it. Of course, if I just point this out, that's not exactly constructive criticism, so allow me to give an edited version of similar length that should still stay true enough to the original theme:
"Loving Mother is a carbon star located 1,400 ly above the galactic plane, and what distinguishes it from the many other dying stars in its vicinity is that it hosts a habitable Earth-like world. This system is among the oldest in the galaxy, having formed almost 13 billion years ago. However, for much of Loving Mother's life, none of its planets would have been habitable. Once the giant was nearing the end of its life and began fusing helium into carbon, its light dimmed enough that the sixth planet would become habitable.
This system would offer a nice opportunity for explorers journeying through the galactic core to stop for a time, and rest while marveling at a rare wonder of the galaxy: young life having formed around an ancient star."
Note that I'm not an astronomer, so if I made some errors regarding that there, my bad.
Batch entry of DSSA carriers was done. The following carriers are now POI:
DSSA Argonautica
DSSA TMCV Spartacus
DSSA [IGAU] Cygni-Vanguard
DSSA Ijon Tichy
DSSA Hope Dempsey
DSSA SMILERS OBSERVATORY
DSSA Argonautica
DSSA TMCV Spartacus
DSSA [IGAU] Cygni-Vanguard
DSSA Ijon Tichy
DSSA Hope Dempsey
DSSA SMILERS OBSERVATORY
Well-written here means that it actually has content. The bar is... pretty low. We get a lot of entries that are, "I thought this was pretty cool!!!1111". An entry that explains why the POI should be accepted, uses any astronomical references, talks about the surrounding area, unusual features, ties into ED game lore - all of these things go a really long way to making something worth being accepted. Grammatical passes are welcome but not strictly necessary. I read submissions and edit them to remove the worst of any goofs, but we're not looking for college essay-levels of correctness.
Ah, hello again. As the author of "that thread", I'm curious: what exactly do you think is "not particularly clear"? (To be honest, reading that here of all places did give me a chuckle
I'm not sure how you did your data collection, but I assume it was some scrape of the EDSM or EDDN data. I know at least for EDSM that the data is structured in such a way that it's a fair bit less complicated to find "type of planet in system with primary star X" then it is to find "type of planet in system with primary star X and orbiting the primary star". The relative rarity of those is fairly different, at least for most of the bodies I queried. There are a lot more "liveable" planets (WW/ELW) orbiting a sub-star of a hot primary, than there are of the same orbiting a hot star directly, due to how the game likes to place habitation zones.
In the rarity thread for other body types from a while ago, I tried to make it clear between those two types. Are you saying that your rarity categories are all inclusive to the type of primary star, even if it's orbiting a sub-star? That's certainly valid, but it might mask the higher-value rarity of objects. An ELW in an M-class around a Y/L/T should be significantly more common than an ELW in a pure orbit of an M-class.
In any case... rarity isn't always the deciding factor for a POI. If someone discovers 10 WD ELWs, we're not going to add them all; that's better for a list like yours. We might add one that is particularly interesting, photogenic, or has some other factor. If it was the first WD ELW ever found, it might get added in for a while. The list evolves.
One of the types we have a few repeats of in there are ELWs around primary-only black holes. Because that just should not be possible, the systems literally have no heat sources.
So I am cataloguing systems just outside of the Neutron Highway (Qosoa OO-X d2-162) towards Beagle Point, and I can only document natural phenomena that include gas giants and earth like worlds for Galactic Mapping. What about filling in the stuff in between? Am I wasting my time documenting the mundane?
On the opening post there's a guideline that should help you decide what's worth adding;
- Candidate entries should be something unique or rare. This can be anything from statistical record breakers or visually spectacular locations to places of historical interest or with interesting stories behind them. A good rule of thumb is this: “Would another explorer be willing to travel thousands of LYs to visit this place?”
There would be thousands and thousands of entries if the map project added anything and everything, so I think it boils down to using common sense on what you consider mundane and whether its worth posting it for reivew.
Wow, I'm a bit disappointed how my submission gets ripped apart here by some people. I think everyone should respect the decisions made. I also submitted some systems and they always got rejected. Is it so difficult to just be happy for other Commanders instead of searching for reasons why it shouldn't be accepted and to even judge about misspelling?
What's going on here?!
What's going on here?!
Everyone's got their own reason to explore, and if documenting things make you happy, then by all reason do so. Anything submitted for the GMP will have to meet the standard criteria.
Just to be clear. I am happy for any commanders that get their submissions accepted. Of course this includes yours. I only raised my questtion since I wanted to understand the thought process behind the different decisions.
I use the Canonn plugin to tell me where the nearest GMP is located. From my perspective I would like to see more GMP entries as it is often very sparse and I don't like to make big diversions. But at the same time I don't want standards to drop at least not far. Rarity is less important to me than gorgeous views. Personally I would be happy to see more nebulas. Thinking back over some of my rejected entries I think the right decisions were made. While a moon moon moon (excluding brown dwarves) is rare, visually it underwhelming.
Before I go on, something else was pointed out to me that I would also like to know more about:
This looks like the post might have been mistaken for another. Could you check that one again?
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In that case, I'd recommend using the data from the Catalogue of Galactic Nebulae (also used by EDAstro). It has all the large nebulae that are in the game, plus if you're also interested in planetary nebulae, then it has many more. None are rejected.
Although biased as I was the one who submitted this, I'd second this. Whilst I understand not adding something based on how rare it is alone, I don't think this is really a notability issue as you suggested when rejecting the submission. There doesn't seem to be anything like this as a POI on the Galactic Mapping Project and indeed there are very few systems like this in the galaxy at all, so it seemed like there would be reason to add it as a waypoint as somewhere explorers would want to stop off at. It doesn't seem any less of an interesting or remarkable system than many of the other POIs either. If it needs a more interesting name or description to make it more appealing I could update it? (or be open to suggestions from others)
#5098 was rejected because it only has rarity going for it. Class O only ELWs are currently unknown, but class-O primaries with ELWs on secondary stars are known.
Marx, since you are the holder of the ELW records, would you be willing to give an actual number on how many of these type of systems are known? How many ELWs are there in class O systems where the ELW orbits a sub-star? If the number is sufficiently low we can add it back in. I'm not immune to appeals
Please do submit PNs to the CGN. We decided to halt new ones because the sheer number of them in game is so large it would completely take over the map and eventually cause some real slow down. The POI have to be loaded into memory in the browser.
#5,072 wasn't mentioned from what I can see. Is there an explanation?
Still processing all the DSSA entries. Expect update soon.
Update: Added carriers -
DSSA HSRC Deep Thought
DSSA Destiny Ascension
DSSA The Helix
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Sure, I already have. You can take a look at the ELW list and see the relevant numbers there, but I'll spare you the clicks: it's a grand total of 2 ELWs that are in systems with a class O main star. This one, and Splojio AA-A g149. Which, as it turns out, was posted here before, but you rejected it (in this post) citing that there are three - although EDSM still only has these two.
Or if you were interested in ELWs that are orbiting a Herbig Ae/Be star: 75 before, 91 now. Carbon stars: 217 before, 252 now.
Thanks for the info! It appears my own database search at that time turned up three, but I don't have the info on which system I thought was the third. I've bounced these systems back up to the entire GMP team for review.