The Joystick/Controller discussion thread
Depends if you like the "Force Sensing" feature of the X-65F.
Personally it looks way wrong.
Then again I went with the Warthog which has lots of nice movement and nice clicky switches.
Plenty of buttons,knobs and scrollers to yaw.
Yes, lovely stick. Not one of those twisty thingies. With rudder pedals just like them real pilot chappies use
Trustmaster Warthog Stick and CH Pro trottle
I use with success
a Trustmaster Warthog (only the Stick) togehter with one CH Products Pro throttle.
No problems with config in Elite and it´s nice usefull.
Can reach all switches with my left hand without to take my hand from the CH throttle.
I don´t like the Warthog HOTAS. Because, is to much fixed like a "A-10" fighter.
And I don´t need the switches like the Warthog HOTAS in Elite or other space sims.
My Trustmaster Warthog Stick is absolute awesome. Nice feeling to have the cold metal in your hand.
Both, the TM and the CH are nice quality.
Price was cheaper as a full package from Trustmaster or CH Products.
MICHKA
I use with success
a Trustmaster Warthog (only the Stick) togehter with one CH Products Pro throttle.
No problems with config in Elite and it´s nice usefull.
Can reach all switches with my left hand without to take my hand from the CH throttle.
I don´t like the Warthog HOTAS. Because, is to much fixed like a "A-10" fighter.
And I don´t need the switches like the Warthog HOTAS in Elite or other space sims.
My Trustmaster Warthog Stick is absolute awesome. Nice feeling to have the cold metal in your hand.
Both, the TM and the CH are nice quality.
Price was cheaper as a full package from Trustmaster or CH Products.
MICHKA
Please give us full and proper Force Feedback joystick support.
And not forgetting xbox one trigger FFB and rumble as well.
There are forces and effects that can be represented absolutely everywhere on a space craft via haptic feedback. Landing gear operation, landing and take off forces and vibration, atmospheric flight - both entry and exit, atmospheric exit thrust forces, impacts in asteroid fields and with other space objects including other ships or docking manoeuvres, ballistic weapons fire vibration, combat damage vibrations from ballistic weapons fire and missile hits to shield impacts. Then three could be the vibration forces from using afterburners or sudden reverse thrust. And even some opposite force when nearing high g-forces, or high ships hull stress limits - a slow force building up, and then maybe a stick shaker reminder.
I would expect to see a couple of settings or more in the advanced controller options eventually to adjust the amount of force feedback. This would seem a logical step to take. And other options, but I'd leave that to the dev's to decide upon. Certainly some advanced force feedback options would be great to have so one can fine tune the experience.
Plus anyone using a force feedback stick in Elite will need the auto centring addressed, most have the optical sensor to detect when the grip is held. So some section in the games settings/advanced joystick controls will need to have force feedback centring options. And many more I hope to further adjust force feedback options, such as strengths and maybe limiting where FFB is used. Then also having the option to manually edit the games *.ffe files (haptic feedback effect files).
Force feedback stick and HOTAS ID's
Device Name: Logitech Flight System G940 HOTAS
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor ID: 0x046D
Product ID: 0xC287
Device Name : Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Force feedback HOTAS
VendorID 0x044F
ProductID 0xB550
Device Name : Microsoft Force Feedback 2 Stick
VID: 0x045E
PID: 0x001B
Device Name : WingMan Force 3D
Vendor ID: 0x046D
Product ID: 0xC283
Device Name : Wingman Force 3D USB
vendor ID: 0x046D
Prodtuct ID: 0xC283
Device Name : Cyborg Evo Force
Vendor Id : 0x06A3
Product Id : 0xFFB5
I'm happy and willing to help with any force feedback development and testing.
And not forgetting xbox one trigger FFB and rumble as well.
There are forces and effects that can be represented absolutely everywhere on a space craft via haptic feedback. Landing gear operation, landing and take off forces and vibration, atmospheric flight - both entry and exit, atmospheric exit thrust forces, impacts in asteroid fields and with other space objects including other ships or docking manoeuvres, ballistic weapons fire vibration, combat damage vibrations from ballistic weapons fire and missile hits to shield impacts. Then three could be the vibration forces from using afterburners or sudden reverse thrust. And even some opposite force when nearing high g-forces, or high ships hull stress limits - a slow force building up, and then maybe a stick shaker reminder.
I would expect to see a couple of settings or more in the advanced controller options eventually to adjust the amount of force feedback. This would seem a logical step to take. And other options, but I'd leave that to the dev's to decide upon. Certainly some advanced force feedback options would be great to have so one can fine tune the experience.
Plus anyone using a force feedback stick in Elite will need the auto centring addressed, most have the optical sensor to detect when the grip is held. So some section in the games settings/advanced joystick controls will need to have force feedback centring options. And many more I hope to further adjust force feedback options, such as strengths and maybe limiting where FFB is used. Then also having the option to manually edit the games *.ffe files (haptic feedback effect files).
Force feedback stick and HOTAS ID's
Device Name: Logitech Flight System G940 HOTAS
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor ID: 0x046D
Product ID: 0xC287
Device Name : Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Force feedback HOTAS
VendorID 0x044F
ProductID 0xB550
Device Name : Microsoft Force Feedback 2 Stick
VID: 0x045E
PID: 0x001B
Device Name : WingMan Force 3D
Vendor ID: 0x046D
Product ID: 0xC283
Device Name : Wingman Force 3D USB
vendor ID: 0x046D
Prodtuct ID: 0xC283
Device Name : Cyborg Evo Force
Vendor Id : 0x06A3
Product Id : 0xFFB5
I'm happy and willing to help with any force feedback development and testing.
Tips for better physical control of Joystick
I was just wondering if any experienced flyers out there had any tips for newbie joystick users?
I played the original Elite on my trusty BBC B and later Master 128 and got quite proficient at keyboard control without yawing. IE. The roll to top and pitch up technique.
However I've taken the plunge and bought myself a Thrustmaster Hotas X stick. I'm very new to this way though and I'm finding it difficult to control precisely.
So basically I'm looking for good tips to help me practice please! What sort of position should I be in for best control for example. At the moment the table the laptop is on is quite high and so I'm effectively reaching up slightly to grasp the stick. HOw much effect does the dial on the bottom make and should I have it tighter or looser?
Is the roll and pitch technique still the best? I was thinking with the twist of the joystick I'd be able to grasp yawing but I find that because of my control I'm pulling the stick at the same time and sort of spiralling.
I'm finding combat trickier than I once did. Particularly evasive maneuvers. While I'm find catching and targeting a ship hard too, they seem to be able to hit me at any angle in whatever maneuver I'm trying to do!
Any help for a newbie joystick user would be appreciated!
I was just wondering if any experienced flyers out there had any tips for newbie joystick users?
I played the original Elite on my trusty BBC B and later Master 128 and got quite proficient at keyboard control without yawing. IE. The roll to top and pitch up technique.
However I've taken the plunge and bought myself a Thrustmaster Hotas X stick. I'm very new to this way though and I'm finding it difficult to control precisely.
So basically I'm looking for good tips to help me practice please! What sort of position should I be in for best control for example. At the moment the table the laptop is on is quite high and so I'm effectively reaching up slightly to grasp the stick. HOw much effect does the dial on the bottom make and should I have it tighter or looser?
Is the roll and pitch technique still the best? I was thinking with the twist of the joystick I'd be able to grasp yawing but I find that because of my control I'm pulling the stick at the same time and sort of spiralling.
I'm finding combat trickier than I once did. Particularly evasive maneuvers. While I'm find catching and targeting a ship hard too, they seem to be able to hit me at any angle in whatever maneuver I'm trying to do!
Any help for a newbie joystick user would be appreciated!
You have asked the questions that can only be answered by yourself. You should place everything in such a way that would be comfortable to you.
If it is possible to change the resistance of the joystick set it the way you are comfortable with.
E.g. I can use my HOTAS all day without any problems or being tired. And I am using the stiffest spring.
ED is all about pitch and roll so no matter what you are using this does not change anything.
If it is possible to change the resistance of the joystick set it the way you are comfortable with.
E.g. I can use my HOTAS all day without any problems or being tired. And I am using the stiffest spring.
ED is all about pitch and roll so no matter what you are using this does not change anything.
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Hi Dalek501.
Personally, I have my HOTAS at about lap height - it just seems less of strain to me. Some people mount theirs to the side of their chairs. Maybe you can raise your seat height?
Roll and pitch is indeed the way forward. Yaw has been deliberately reduced for gameplay reasons, but it's still there and useful/necessary for flight and aiming corrections.
The tension on the stick is personal preference - mine is non-adjustable.
Learn to use the power distribution system: more pips to engines gives you a better speed, better turning and the ability to boost more often. More in systems strengthens your shields and the rate of recharge.
You will have a better turning circle if you keep your velocity in the 'blue zone' of your speed indicator.
Lateral/vertical thrust: also very important in combat. Try to get used to turning and thrusting at the same time.
The first single-player scenario is good for flight practice.
Finally, just stick with it - you'll get better and better, and it'll all seem second nature in no time.
Personally, I have my HOTAS at about lap height - it just seems less of strain to me. Some people mount theirs to the side of their chairs. Maybe you can raise your seat height?
Roll and pitch is indeed the way forward. Yaw has been deliberately reduced for gameplay reasons, but it's still there and useful/necessary for flight and aiming corrections.
The tension on the stick is personal preference - mine is non-adjustable.
Learn to use the power distribution system: more pips to engines gives you a better speed, better turning and the ability to boost more often. More in systems strengthens your shields and the rate of recharge.
You will have a better turning circle if you keep your velocity in the 'blue zone' of your speed indicator.
Lateral/vertical thrust: also very important in combat. Try to get used to turning and thrusting at the same time.
The first single-player scenario is good for flight practice.
Finally, just stick with it - you'll get better and better, and it'll all seem second nature in no time.
Taken the plunge and ordered my Warthog Amazon UK have them for sub £260 at the moment.
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I really would like full and proper force feedback support in both games (ED & SC). But for now with ED, all I can think of is the continued pressure to implement it when all the real advanced joystick settings and profiles get put into the game with a force feedback section for forces and options - where to apply and maybe some separated strengths options, and of course the important options for the FFB motors centring/deadzones.
Question: Which forum section would be the best to make the request for full and proper force feedback support ?
Question: Which forum section would be the best to make the request for full and proper force feedback support ?
I spent 3 days getting my controls figured out. I don't have enough money for fancy Hotas or additional joysticks so I just used a couple cheap joysticks I already have:
Left hand: Logitech Attack 3
Right Hand: Logitech Extreme 3D
With 23 buttons plus a hat d-pad I've got all necessary functions covered, plus I don't have to take my hands off the joysticks during combat or heavy maneuvers.
Left hand: Logitech Attack 3
Right Hand: Logitech Extreme 3D
With 23 buttons plus a hat d-pad I've got all necessary functions covered, plus I don't have to take my hands off the joysticks during combat or heavy maneuvers.
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