CQC was not in the game at launch
I actually didn't know that, so yeah, triple-elite at most, if not just single-elite.
I'd still aim to get triple-elite before starting to look for it, because if the system star only shows on the galaxy map if you have meet that requirement (good odds this would be the case with video game logic) there is no point on going around anywhere and trying to be clever on where it might be.
 
Remember, if Raxxla has been on ED since the start, it wouldn't be a planet to land on

My only quibble here is with the quadruple Elite. CQC was not in the game at launch,

Remember the Dynasty Project Megaship was updated from an Anaconda to a Megaship when they came out...just means Raxxla might have been upgraded as well. Might even be landable now as Horizons in the base game. But not needing legs yet. Wouldnt be lying by saying there from start if it got upgraded along the way.

Elite rank I tend to agree though, if Elite rank is needed one should be enough if 'blaze your own trail' still applies and SD DW missions were one each for Trade, Explo and Combat so could do one or all depending on rank (I think anyway, you couldn't do the other ones if you didnt have Elite rank could you?)

I haven't been with you for a long time, are there any new clues besides what now need to be looked for in the asteroid belts?

Welcome back :) Yes we found it but lost it again, not surprising really as it turned out to be a giant set of car keys...or was that a dream I had? No nothing new just some more advanced theories / tinfoil and now the asteroids thing so we all facepalmed and thought about how many we didnt bother with and one spammer who seems to have moved to the EliteDangerous Twitter page now.
 
Just throwing a little more weight on the 'Raxxla in Sol' idea.

I would like to propose Gaia as a candidate for 'mother of galaxies'.

ED seem to favour Greek in the mythology department. Gaia is the primordial personification of Earth, in Greek mythology. She is also the mother (and wife) of Uranus. Uranus is the personification of the sky. The sky is all of space. All the galaxies, stars and planets outside Earth. Gaia and Uranus are the ancestors of the titans and gods in Greek mythology. Gaia is also the mother of a lot of the strange creatures, giants and monsters. She is at the top of the family three.

Gaia in Greek is Γαία or Γαίία. Just a couple of X's short. ;)

Gaia is believed by some sources to be the original deity behind the Oracle at Delphi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia#Temples

Mother Gaia is of course also the leading faction in Sol.

If Gaia is the mother, the jewel is most likely the Moon.
The Moon is mainly personified by Selene, but is also linked to the triple goddess maiden, mother, crone system. Hecate, Demeter, Persephone, Phobe, Artemis and so on.

Not sure what this could mean. The whisper in witchspace seem to suggest hyperspace as the next step?
Perhaps we are looking for a Pole star for the Moon or and axis perpendicular to the Moons orbital plane?

Guess I'll fly to Sol again and have a look. :unsure:
Ya I was thinking of Gaia as well for the mother... With the Jewel on the Brow (as seen from earth - dawn) being the Morning Star.... Too many references to "dawn" to count... Venus is the obvious choice for Hesperus/Phosphorus if you want to keep it in system. I was thinking Sirius but ya...

edit - I would add that Eos (dawn) is the Mother of the stars.... So while we are looking at the dawn from earth - the jewel (morning star) would be on both the brow (horizon) of the earth as well as that of the Dawn....

edit edit - I like Sirius also because of the sothic cycle as well and its aversion to procession (project equinox?)... not to mention the oddly named planet "waypoint"
 
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I see most people here tend to focus on the lore regarding Raxxla and use that to attempt to find it, but I haven't seen (not that I looked at everything with a fine comb) much on the technical video-game aspect of it, so...

If Raxxla is in ED since day one ready to be found, we can exclude any locked systems or any system beyond the max jump range of non-engineered ships.
Since FDev also stated no more clues, forget about looking for any on planet surfaces, or even Horizons-specific geological surface features from space.
With that in mind perhaps the search for Raxxla would be best conducted with non engineered ships on base non-Horizons (let alone Odyssey) game.
The original game from 1984 also mentions "becoming elite" in reference to finding Raxxla, from a video game perspective I can easily see how being Quadruple-Elite could be used as a pre-requisite for the system where Raxxla is to even show up in the galaxy map as just another star with a generic name.

With all that said, and Raxxla not even being well defined it could either be a planet or a station, since those are the two things the vanilla ED has to offer, and while ambiguous I think it is reasonable to assume Raxxla would be planet, likely with some extreme geology. Star forge has shown to be capable of generating some on random finds, and it could surely do even more if some restrains would be lifted for a specific body.

I think more than anything, for anyone wishing to go out there to find Raxxla they should make sure they are Quadruple-Elite first since that's video game 101 on how to hide content, just look at GTAV Bigfoot VS Werewolf, how many people play that game in such a relative small map and how long it took them to find that secret.

As for what awaits there, I'd advise VERY moderate expectations.
Remember, if Raxxla has been on ED since the start, it wouldn't be a planet to land on, and surely not a gateway to another galaxy as it has been speculated so often, because why even bother from a video game development stand point with that when the current galaxy as of today is still less than half of a percentage point explored?
Any other galaxies generated by Star Forge using the same assets would look identical, same stars, same planets, same moons, I don't get why so many people seem to be hitching to "get a new galaxy" in ED when you think about it that way.
Regarding the Elite requirement to find Raxxla and the game mechanics in ED.

There are basically two possibilities for this to be implemented. The first one is of course is of course the Shinrarta Dezhra system. Raxxla could be in the system or only findable, by going there for some reason.

The other option is that it's practically impossible to find Raxxla, without the help of the Dark Wheel. They are known to only accept Elites.

These two options may both use the same mechanic. The Shinrarta Dezhra system permit. TDW could also have their own separate rank requirement, like some engineers.

The game cant block access to something that does not require a permit or an invitation. Invitations were of course added long after gamma. Making them a waeker candidate than the permit.

In lore, only the Dark Wheel has the Elite requirement. There is no mention of it, in regards to Raxxla.
 
Good point - ya they did name their first update ... Horizon..... I suppose Odyssey could cover the rest (sirens, grief, and wanderlust)... Is the toast just a reference to their planned updates and raxxla just an end game? nooooooo



To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
- DBs desire and thoughts / ideas to build the game & Stellar Forge?
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void! - The devs?
The parent's grief, the lover's woe - our friends, parents and partners who have lost us to the game?
and the yearning of our vagabond hearts - Ship interiors?
To Raxxla!

Well it fits, just need that last bit, next 2 years or so? :)

In lore, only the Dark Wheel has the Elite requirement. There is no mention of it, in regards to Raxxla.

Its old old lore from The Dark Wheel novella, 'you need to be elite' said to Jason by his uncle iirc. No mention of it currently so probably long gone as you say but thats where it comes from originally.
 
I see most people here tend to focus on the lore regarding Raxxla and use that to attempt to find it, but I haven't seen (not that I looked at everything with a fine comb) much on the technical video-game aspect of it, so...

If Raxxla is in ED since day one ready to be found, we can exclude any locked systems or any system beyond the max jump range of non-engineered ships.
Since FDev also stated no more clues, forget about looking for any on planet surfaces, or even Horizons-specific geological surface features from space.
With that in mind perhaps the search for Raxxla would be best conducted with non engineered ships on base non-Horizons (let alone Odyssey) game.
The original game from 1984 also mentions "becoming elite" in reference to finding Raxxla, from a video game perspective I can easily see how being Quadruple-Elite could be used as a pre-requisite for the system where Raxxla is to even show up in the galaxy map as just another star with a generic name.

With all that said, and Raxxla not even being well defined it could either be a planet or a station, since those are the two things the vanilla ED has to offer, and while ambiguous I think it is reasonable to assume Raxxla would be planet, likely with some extreme geology. Star forge has shown to be capable of generating some on random finds, and it could surely do even more if some restrains would be lifted for a specific body.

I think more than anything, for anyone wishing to go out there to find Raxxla they should make sure they are Quadruple-Elite first since that's video game 101 on how to hide content, just look at GTAV Bigfoot VS Werewolf, how many people play that game in such a relative small map and how long it took them to find that secret.

As for what awaits there, I'd advise VERY moderate expectations.
Remember, if Raxxla has been on ED since the start, it wouldn't be a planet to land on, and surely not a gateway to another galaxy as it has been speculated so often, because why even bother from a video game development stand point with that when the current galaxy as of today is still less than half of a percentage point explored?
Any other galaxies generated by Star Forge using the same assets would look identical, same stars, same planets, same moons, I don't get why so many people seem to be hitching to "get a new galaxy" in ED when you think about it that way.

My expectation is that Raxxla is a planet / moon / asteroid, and that when one is close enough to it their FSD will be supercharged to some outrageous range (say 1000x).

A one way jump range measured in tens of thousands of lightyears would satisfy the lore, and would do so using in game mechanics that already exist and have existed since the beginning.

To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void! - Sirens lead sailors into the rocks or into peril.

The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. - A one way massive jump range would separate children from their parents, lovers from their loved ones, and would be the dream of every explorer or vagabond.
 
Regarding the Elite requirement to find Raxxla and the game mechanics in ED.

There are basically two possibilities for this to be implemented. The first one is of course is of course the Shinrarta Dezhra system. Raxxla could be in the system or only findable, by going there for some reason.

The other option is that it's practically impossible to find Raxxla, without the help of the Dark Wheel. They are known to only accept Elites.

These two options may both use the same mechanic. The Shinrarta Dezhra system permit. TDW could also have their own separate rank requirement, like some engineers.

The game cant block access to something that does not require a permit or an invitation. Invitations were of course added long after gamma. Making them a waeker candidate than the permit.

In lore, only the Dark Wheel has the Elite requirement. There is no mention of it, in regards to xla.

My expectation is that Raxxla is a planet / moon / asteroid, and that when one is close enough to it their FSD will be supercharged to some outrageous range (say 1000x).

A one way jump range measured in tens of thousands of lightyears would satisfy the lore, and would do so using in game mechanics that already exist and have existed since the beginning.

To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts.
It says unequivocally it is the 8th moon of unnamed gas giant. The Omphalos Rift probably orbits the 8th moon waiting for someone to discover it. As best I can tell no human has been there. TDW supposedly found Soontill but never found Raxxla. Ryder's sons split up over whether to go after Raxxla or Soontill first. I honestly believe Triton is locked in Sol because it is Neptune Ryder's base of operations. Oberon is probably Oberon Ryder's base. I honestly believe humanity only knows about Raxxla because of the hyperspace probes sent before the generation ships. Keep in mind those were "slow" hyperspace so it took hours to days per jump. Even then those had 1,150 years to get out well past the Bubble. Keep this in mind. We only know of this because an automated probes which are discussed at the tourist beacons in Tau Ceti. This means it is almost certainly out of the Bubble.
 
It says unequivocally it is the 8th moon of unnamed gas giant. The Omphalos Rift probably orbits the 8th moon waiting for someone to discover it. As best I can tell no human has been there. TDW supposedly found Soontill but never found Raxxla. Ryder's sons split up over whether to go after Raxxla or Soontill first. I honestly believe Triton is locked in Sol because it is Neptune Ryder's base of operations. Oberon is probably Oberon Ryder's base. I honestly believe humanity only knows about Raxxla because of the hyperspace probes sent before the generation ships. Keep in mind those were "slow" hyperspace so it took hours to days per jump. Even then those had 1,150 years to get out well past the Bubble. Keep this in mind. We only know of this because an automated probes which are discussed at the tourist beacons in Tau Ceti. This means it is almost certainly out of the Bubble.
"It" being Raxxla or The Dark Wheel's station?
 
"It" being Raxxla or The Dark Wheel's station?
That is in The Dark Wheel Codex..

Self-professed "people's journalist" and Dark Wheel expert Lyta Crane has created an extensive archive of information related to the Dark Wheel, and claims that the group was founded in and operated out of a disused starport orbiting the eighth moon of an unnamed gas giant. The station was a toroid design that was kept on minimal power to avoid detection, hence the name "Dark Wheel". Crane believes that this station is still being used by the Dark Wheel to this day, and that it contains records and artefacts that new members can examine to verify that they have joined the genuine Dark Wheel. However, Crane has her share of critics who have accused her of forging evidence for personal profit, and the Dark Wheel's station, if it exists, has never been located.
 
To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!
The parent's grief, the lover's woe and the yearning of our vagabond hearts
To Raxxla!


Rule#1 - Never dismiss anyone bold enough to post a real working theory that gets coordinates out of cryptic hints on April 1st of all days.

This is the map of a very particular patch of sky and here's why..

-The Dark Wheel (and therefore its alleged toast) originated exceptionally early during the human exploration period.

-Sol sent “slow” hyperspace starting in the 22nd century (2101-2200) per tourist beacons in Tau Ceti.

-The Mars Artifact was discovered in 2280.

-The first written mention of Raxxla occurs in Tau Ceti (self-sufficient by 2159).

-Tau Ceti was the first SUCCESSFUL colony outside of Sol. There are numerous terraformed worlds closer to Sol than Tau Ceti.

-Eden in Alpha Centauri was tried first but abandoned due to prohibitive amounts of radiation.

-TDW mythos must have originated either in Sol or Tau Ceti.

Now the good stuff ... first of all key assumptions constellations have thus far provided a poor target or path and in-game mechanics curtail such things as asteroid belts (without them being utterly static).

Also, the Alleged Toast of the Dark Wheel is the ONLY piece of evidence that can really be used to deduce the path. Remember this is should be akin to a treasure map so each step must map to an actual place.
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To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!”

-Jewel can be seen as reference to brightness so possibly brightest star in a constellation.

-The phrasing “brow of the mother of galaxies” is both a reference to where to look for this bright star and clarifies the galaxy in question. The brow meaning a the stream of stars arching across the sky. “Mother of all galaxies” here is literal and is a reference to Alpha Coronae Borealis / Alphecca (the brightest star on the Northern Crown constellation.

Alphekka – EDSM

Alcman’s Cosmogonic Fragment (established Thetis is the “mother of all galaxies”):

Most, Glenn W. “Alcman's 'Cosmogonic' Fragment (Fr. 5 Page, 81 Calame).” The Classical Quarterly, vol. 37, no. 1, 1987, pp. 1–19. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/639340. Accessed 4 Apr. 2021.

Alternatively, this is the one of the brightest stars visible. Sirius and Arcturus make exceptionally good candidates.
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To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!” + The Thargoid Connection

This seems to indicate the reference is the spooky sounds while in Witchspace and the fact that in the early days of hyperspace it was dangerous and some ships jumped never to return. As far as the Alleged Toast, it is more a reference to the excitement of exploration and the dangers of hyperspace travel. In addition, mythologically the Sirens were a yearning that if acted on would almost certainly lead to death. On the flip side of this, the Sirens were condemned to live forever luring men to their deaths until such time a man could resist their song and pass safely. I take this more to mean exploration is inherently dangerous. CMDRs are likened to the only man who heard their song and survived (Odysseus from Homer's Odyssey who plugged his men's ears with wax and bound their heads with cloth while he remained bound to the mast of the ship). Odysseus' safe passage resulted in the death of the Sirens. Additionally, the largest supervoid ever confirmed is in Canes Venatacci. The brightest star here is Cor Caroli.

Alternatively, they may be using hyperspace as a conduit from a dimensional plane entirely separate from real space. The Thargoids may not just be extragalactic in origin, but extra-universal.

Also related -- Raxxla Codex:

In some versions of the Raxxla story, which were later shown to have a striking resemblance to the children's story "Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars" and consequently became discredited, Raxxla is said to hold an alien artefact called the Omphalos Rift, which acts as a gateway to parallel universes. Even after it was discredited, staunch supporters of the Omphalos Rift theory insist that the author of the children's story had knowledge of Raxxla's exact location and deliberately wove clues into his book. Other Raxxla seekers claim that Raxxla is something else entirely, with theories running the gamut from an unremarkable moon to a state of cosmic enlightenment.


In-game footage of the Thargoid Jump Sequence

In-game footage of a hyperspace Interdiction

Standard hyperspace jump with good sound

"Genesis of the Thargoids?" - GalNet - 07 APR 3304

“Other theories are more esoteric but worthy of exploration. We know that their vessels are capable of hovering in hyperspace, suggesting that witch-space is comfortable for them. Could living beings actually originate from hyperspace?”

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Assasignation at Delta Pavonis related to Thargoid report" - Tourist beacon in Delta Pavonis
In 3251, the publication of "The Thargoids: Truth and Fiction" by Dr Joreb Innitu of the Alien Studies Department of the Ghandi Institute based on Wicca's World (Alioth) inflamed tension between the Alliance and other political powers. He was ambushed and assassinated whilst leaving the Beta Hydri system after a scientific conference.

Hint the location of this is REALLY DAMN IMPORTANT. The Dark Wheel discovered Soontill. This was loaded with Thargoid stuff. So this assassination was either The Dark Wheel or the Feds trying to keep quiet anyone that would raise awareness of what they already knew was out there and not cause the populace to panic.

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The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts”

The whole damn thing is a giant reference to liminal mythology and Homer’s Illiad and Odyssey. Ever wondered why the new expansion is called Odyssey? This is why. It is the foundation of the entire story. Alternatively, it is a reference to the Homeric Hymn to Demeter and the Eleusinian Mysteries of Athens, Greece. In either case, the in-game reference is Virgo.

The parents grief”

This is direct reference to Thetis’ fear of losing her son Achilles.

The Prophecy About Thetis, Achilles’ Mother

Achilles was the son of Peleus, king of Thessalian Phthia, and Thetis, a sea-goddess. Even though he did grow up to become the greatest of all Greek heroes, for all we know, he might have even supplanted Zeus as the ruler of the entire universe if it hadn’t been for either Themis’ or Prometheus’ timely intervention.

Namely, a year before Achilles’ birth, both Zeus and Poseidon fell in love with his eventual mother and did their best to win her hand in marriage. And only Themis and Prometheus knew it was vital for the Olympian order that neither of the two marries Thetis, for it had been written “that the sea-goddess should bear a princely son, stronger than his father, who would wield another weapon in his hand more powerful than the thunderbolt or the irresistible trident.”

The Prophecy About Achilles

Whether it was Themis or Prometheus who let the cat out of the bag we may never know, but we do know that she or he did it just in time: Zeus was barely a few moments away from sharing a bed with Thetis.

We also know that Achilles’ eventual father, Peleus, was chosen for a reason: he was, supposedly, the most pious man on the planet, worthy enough of a divine wife. More importantly, he was also a mortal, meaning he couldn’t beget an immortal son.


Let Thetis accept a mortal’s bed,” Themis counseled the Olympians ominously, “so that she can see her son die in battle, a son who is like Ares in the strength of his hands and like lightning in the swift prime of his feet.”
Source: The Prophecies of Thetis and her son Achilles

the lovers woe” .. the very reason for the Trojan War

..and the yearning of our vagabond hearts”

Achilles as Vagabond

Hammer, Dean. “Achilles as Vagabond: The Culture of Autonomy in the ‘Iliad.’” The Classical World, vol. 90, no. 5, 1997, pp. 341–366. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/4351961. Accessed 4 Apr. 2021.

Who was Achilles? - The British Museum Blog

Achilles does have shield with Constellations that seem to point to Polaris commissioned by Thetis


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Oh by the way Omphalos means 3 things relevant to the game and none of the them are the Delphi system (aka Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55). Those are:
-Omphalos Rift
-Ompholos Stone of Delphi
-The center of whatever is relevant to find Raxxla (i.e. the dead center between whatever represents Astrophel/Astrophil (meaning "star lover") and Stella.

I am using this as my first attempt only to absolutely confirm or deny any association to that system but my intuition says it isn't it for several reason. Nothing built there that references back to Delphi, Greece and the Omphalos Stone of Delphi was was built in the 22nd century. It all came about after 3300 (over a millennium later). Secondly, the myth that Delphi's Omphalos getting there first appears in a work highly critical of the Oracle of Delphi and more particular the whole geocentric model. I personally now ascribe that based on history in the game alone that Sol is the center reference point (which fits nicely with FDev's comments that they "had to make it a little bit obvious". Hello the coordinate are 0,0,0.


"De Defectu Oraculorum" or "The Obsolescence of Oracles"
(Περὶ τῶν Ἐκλελοιπότων Χρηστηρίων) by Plutarch
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/De_defectu_oraculorum*.html
 
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The tourist beacon in Tau Ceti states the 22nd century (2101 - 2200).

Hmmmm so assuming a littler earlier than 2159 (Tau Ceti Settled self sufficient by 2159)... lets say circa 2150 for the big un-manned probe bonanza. Raxxla first known to be mentioned in 2296. Thats roughly 146 years of interstellar probing. Ya i imagine those probes could get far.
 
Remember, if Raxxla has been on ED since the start, it wouldn't be a planet to land on, and surely not a gateway to another galaxy as it has been speculated so often, because why even bother from a video game development stand point with that when the current galaxy as of today is still less than half of a percentage point explored?
Any other galaxies generated by Star Forge using the same assets would look identical, same stars, same planets, same moons, I don't get why so many people seem to be hitching to "get a new galaxy" in ED when you think about it that way.
Sooo.... you are saying that if it was another galaxy, you wouldn't go there? Wouldn't be excited to see what it had to offer?
....Because if you would go, you are saying that Fdev would have a reason to create it.... ;)
 
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