The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Louis Calvert]

Had time to read through your 'cold read' of the Codex and it is interesting. I particularly like the Omphalos stone being a gateway and that the Delphi system is a beginning, with the Omphalos stone being positioned beneath the Oracle. The Thargoid Site certainly bears greater inspection.

Nice More eyes = better! If you have anything you'd like more eyes on inspecting let me know, I'm happy to take a field trip

I am trying in my head to get around Tau Ceti being a starting place and Delphi being a starting place. Why do we have to travel to multiple locations? It is almost as if we have to travel a certain route, hitting key waypoints, maybe even performing key activities, before we can make a final jump from Delphi. A route as a password.

I'm not sure Tau Ceti is important in itself. I think it's establishing a timeline, and also 'Cora is "Persephone" in ancient Greek myth...

Always Greek myth innit

Nine worlds connected to the World Tree. Nine waypoints? Maybe Pleione and Atlas are two and The Dark Wheel toast is giving us clues to more. After visiting them, light up the Thargoid Structure. A rift may then open - or perhaps then making a hyperspace jump to a final destination. Activating a Thargoid Structure does give you a message, so perhaps that will contain the information?

@Rochester has done loads of really interesting work on the Yggdrasil angle (and much more). Sorry Rochester I can't find your post to link. We speculated maybe the leads from there led also to Delphi to consolidate the clues togeher, maybe, or maybe the clues led from Delphi into Rochester's area of study... inconclusive. More minds on that the better

EDIT: Here we go, Rochester's "John Milton conundrum" thread.

o7

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Been pondering the generation ships hypothesis and checked mythology and other references for each plus wiki description.

Summary:

Spoiler: Generation Ship precis

TDW toast-> vagabonds->wanderers!

Lycaon
Location- Alaunus
King of Arcadia who tried to feed Zeus human flesh (Lycaon's own son Nyctimus) & was turned into a wolf.

Gen ship passengers were all wiped out by a contagious alien microorganism

Venusian
Location- Kitae
Dr Who reference? Two races Venusians and Thraskin/Cytherians
Dan Dare’s enemy Mekon was venusian
Dalek war against human Venusian colonists

Gen ship was attacked and boarded by a pirate fleet seeking to capture the passengers as slaves.

Hyperion
Location- Lalande 2966
A 1989 science fiction novel
Greek Titan (12 children of Gaia and Uranus. The “god above”, along with his son Helios, was a personification of the sun

Gen ship passengers began to worship a child named Zachariah as a messiah who would lead them to the "promised land", but opened all of the ship's airlocks.

Odysseus
Location- Ross 859
The original “vagabond” of Homerian legend

Gen ship passengers elected a governing council that decided to alter the generation ship's mission. Suffered a deadly disease outbreak.


Thetis
Location- Nefertem
Greek sea nymph, mother of Achilles. Saved Zeus by summoning the giant monster of 100 arms (Briareus aka Aegaeon) when 3 Olympians (Hera, Poseidon, Pallas Athena) plotted to overthrow him.

Whispering sounds, a digital signal picked up by the Gen ship's comms array, which drove passengers homicidally insane


Pleione
Location- Hez Ur
a small genus of predominantly terrestrial but sometimes epiphytic or lithophytic, miniature orchids.
Greek Oceanid nymph & Mother of the 7 Pleiades (Maia, Electra, Taygete, Alcyone, Celaeno, Sterope, Merope). Also often said to be the mother of the nymph Calypso (meaning "to cover", "to conceal", or "to hide” & who detained Odysseus for 7 years on island Ogygia) & father was Titan Atlas.

Gen ship passengers began to give birth to only male children...


Atlas
Location- Charick Drift
Greek Titan condemned to hold up the heavens or sky for eternity. One version of myth has King Atlas refuse hospitality to Perseus who later kills the Medusa, turns Atlas to stone in retribution and then goes on to rescue Princess Andromeda (father King Cepheus Mother Queen Cassiopeia) from the sea serpent Cetus -parent’s grief & lover’s woe?

Gen ship was unable to brake, so course was altered and all the passengers and vital equipment launched in escape pods at the target world as the ship flew by it. The fault was found by chief engineer Tom Edwards, who volunteered to stay behind to operate the pod controls. One pod launched prematurely and exploded. Edwards’ wife Jean was pregnant. Ship continued traveling for an unknown amount of time before finally running out fuel and coming to rest at its present location

Lazarus Expedition
Location- Virudnir
Lazarus of Bethany was a biblical figure raised from the dead by Jesus. Also also the name given to the beggar in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. A mythical man who taunted Jesus on the way to crucifixion and was cursed to wander the Earth until the second coming.

Gen ship became stranded in space after a cooling system suffered a catastrophic failure & irreparably damaged the propulsion system. Ship dismantled & converted into life boats, but population had expanded beyond the life boats’ capacity, so priority given to women and children while volunteers stayed behind. The life boats were successfully launched to multiple habitable worlds within range.

Artemis
Location- Mu Cassiopeia
Greek goddess of the hunt & wilderness

Gen ship's crew and passengers were all murdered by a single serial killer (who likened himself to a wolf culling sheep) over time. The murderer finally damaged the ship's reactor, which likely killed everyone on board.

Achlys
Location- HIP 114458
Greek personified spirit of the death-mist, the clouding of the eyes preceding death; one of the figures depicted on Heracles' shield, perhaps representing sorrow.

Gen ship’s life support system suffered a catastrophic malfunction, killing all crew and passengers. Autopilot assumed control of the Achlys and ensured it kept to its default course. On arrival autopilot could detect no passengers & activated emergency protocols to develop into an AI with 92% human intellectual capacity but had no other option than to take up orbit around the planet that would have been colonised.

Given warnings about human rogue AI this may be obfuscation! Presumably it was the AI telling the tale...

Phobos
Location- Coelachi
Greek god of fear and panic, brother of Deimos (terror).

Gen ship safely reached its (unstated) target world and established 15 settlements, but indigenous flora and fauna were toxic and highly aggressive. The settlements were destroyed and survivors retreated to the ship but were also killed. Phobos reached its present position after its fuel ran out or its systems shut down.

Phanes
Location- Cephei Sector NX-U b2-0
The Greek first-born deity who came from the silver egg of the universe created by Chronos (Time).

Gen ship reached its target world but the planet was found to be uninhabitable. Ship's command decided to search for another planet but that sparked an uprising as the colonists wanted to return to Sol. Command fabricated reports that an unknown cataclysm had wiped out human civilisation, a lie which was eventually exposed & sparked another uprising. The conflict likely resulted in the deaths of all of the ship's crew and passengers.

Demeter
Location- Mizuchi
Greek goddess of agriculture and harvest. Sister of Zeus and mother of Persephone who was abducted by Hades & taken to the Underworld.

Gen ship launched with a population of 3,000. But in year 5 several vital systems abruptly failed. By year 187 the population had regressed into four warring tribes...

Epimetheus
Location- HR 2351
Greek Titan (name means afterthought) twin brother of Prometheus (foresight).

Gen ship was mysteriously evacuated with siren sounding. Sole survivor was a detainee who became insane

Spear of Hope
Location- HIP 21654
Possibly the Spear of Cassius from the film Rebuild of Evangelion?

Gen ship launched without a set destination, instead depended on long-range "Pathfinder probes" to identify prospective colonization targets. Technician Farrow departed alone in a shuttle on a year-long journey to repair a malfunctioning probe. Upon her return the entire ship was deserted. Logs reported an emergency evacuation eight months previously, when a viable planet had been identified which the ship was going to bypass. Farrow decided to try altering the Spear of Hope's course to slingshot around a nearby star in order to return to the planet. It is unknown if Farrow's plan succeeded

Golconda
Location- discovered from a distress signal in Upaniklis.
A historic fortress and ruined city in India. Also means a rich mine

Gen ship found both functional and with a living crew and colonists. Ship safely arrived at its intended destination, but the passengers elected to remain aboard and continue journeying through space indefinitely due to concerns about living outside the vessel. As time went on, the colonists developed a unique culture and religion centered on a reverence for The Golconda as a kind of benevolent caretaker. They also maintained a policy of strict isolationism for their own protection. Passing through Upaniklis in 34Cent with supplies running low and struck by an outbreak of nasopharyngitis Captain Jonathon Forester sent out a distress call. The vessel's population chose to migrate to a new orbital outpost built for them in Upaniklis named Forester's Choice. But In 3308, the Golconda was repaired by the Artificers Dredger Clan and fitted with a hyperdrive. It left Upaniklis with most of the Forester's Choice colonists on June 17, 3308 and started a new journey.

I think we can safely ignore the Golconda, it is too recent to be relevant, but a couple of themes strike me:

Wanderer/vagabond/homeless: Spear of Hope (Technician Farrow is homeless), Lazarus, Phanes (possibly), Phobos, Pleione (link to Odysseus via Calypso), Odysseus

Wolf/cannibalism: Artemis, Lycaon

Grief/woe: Lazarus, Atlas

Whispers: Thetis

So, there are several possible route variations if the puzzle is to fly between the various generation ships equating to the lines of the Alleged Toast!

Useful summary and write-up, thank you!
If not only the third line of The Dark Wheel toast is referring to Generation Ships and the names of those Generation Ships are places to visit, then there are places that might match in-game. Are all of the Generation Ship names also system names? I do not like the idea of all the waypoints I referred to in my last post (nine waypoints associated with The World Tree) being tied to Generation Ships but there are a couple here that stand out in addition to those you list at the end:
Epimetheus: siren of the deepest void.
Thetis: a match for both siren of the deepest void and the whisperer in witchspace but I prefer the whisperer interpretation. The sound is a whisper. You can listen to it on the audio logs - 21st Century humans are immune to its adverse effects!
Odysseus: as you said, a good case for a vagabond, though I don't know if the phrase is a clue to this Generation Ship specifically or to look at Generation Ships generally.

A separate point: for the Achlys it is indeed the computer itself that recorded the logs. Interesting that it was programmed to become an AI as a last resort emergency protocol but I do not see a link to Raxxla or the toast here.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Nice More eyes = better! If you have anything you'd like more eyes on inspecting let me know, I'm happy to take a field trip

I'm not sure Tau Ceti is important in itself. I think it's establishing a timeline, and also 'Cora is "Persephone" in ancient Greek myth...

Always Greek myth innit

@Rochester has done loads of really interesting work on the Yggdrasil angle (and much more). Sorry Rochester I can't find your post to link. We speculated maybe the leads from there led also to Delphi to consolidate the clues togeher, maybe, or maybe the clues led from Delphi into Rochester's area of study... inconclusive. More minds on that the better

EDIT: Ah, I found my reply to it, which includes Rochester's link too:

o7

If any of the Nine Worlds of the World Tree look like good connections to the Generation Ship names that are good matches to the Toast, then we have something that confirms that they may be related, especially if it is more than one (which could easily be coincidental with all the mythological names).

From your previous post wherein there is the Michael Brookes quote about 'it being a path that everyone has to take', then (with due regard to an out-of-game source), that also seems like another indication that there is a journey through the Nine Worlds that then heads to Delphi for the final jump. (As Ompahlos Infotech was renamed, I am very wary about it being a clue - but it may reflect that we need to have sold data on the waypoints, or at least have visited them sequentially, as our ship systems know where we have been and visiting places in sequence could unlock something, thus this might be the mechanism behind a route as a password).

I'm starting to get a picture in my head that the Toast and other Codex sources are giving us clues to go to nine systems (not sure if in a particular order), then head to Delphi and activate the Thargoid Structure. Then, 'To Raxxla!'

 

[Louis Calvert]

If any of the Nine Worlds of the World Tree look like good connections to the Generation Ship names that are good matches to the Toast, then we have something that confirms that they may be related, especially if it is more than one (which could easily be coincidental with all the mythological names).

From your previous post wherein there is the Michael Brookes quote about 'it being a path that everyone has to take', then (with due regard to an out-of-game source), that also seems like another indication that there is a journey through the Nine Worlds that then heads to Delphi for the final jump. (As Ompahlos Infotech was renamed, I am very wary about it being a clue - but it may reflect that we need to have sold data on the waypoints, or at least have visited them sequentially, as our ship systems know where we have been and visiting places in sequence could unlock something, thus this might be the mechanism behind a route as a password).

I'm starting to get a picture in my head that the Toast and other Codex sources are giving us clues to go to nine systems (not sure if in a particular order), then head to Delphi and activate the Thargoid Structure. Then, 'To Raxxla!'

You think sort of like a big combination lock? I really like that

Hmmm, and the journal logs do record where we've been.

Do you think there needs to be some action to "lock that chevron" so to speak? I assume some of the possible locations are more than 1 jump apart so do you think ujust visting in the right order is enough?

Really like this idea - it's also something that could have been in the game since day 1 (no special stuff needed to visit systems in a particular order...)

Also that fits with the idea of maybe the original (removed) missions might have taken the player to the necessary locations, so they'd be sort of following the right path (maybe).

Compelling idea there Edelgard

 

[Darrack]

Wanderer/vagabond/homeless: Spear of Hope (Technician Farrow is homeless), Lazarus, Phanes (possibly), Phobos, Pleione (link to Odysseus via Calypso), Odysseus

I looked at this some time back and i circled on my note pad 'Atlas' for one reason, an article in Issue 9 of Sagittarius Eye regarding Tom Edwards:

wandering its creaking corridors and gentlyrotating habitat rings until death finally caught up with his headlong cruise

It was the 'wandering' bit that got me.
Thinking of him roaming the decks in despair and grief.
I also spent some time looking for an ELW around the area and anything settlement wise related to him but to no avail.
Ive often thought that the DW and club here the same in which case would they have known about the departing ships?

O7

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Useful summary and write-up, thank you!
If not only the third line of The Dark Wheel toast is referring to Generation Ships and the names of those Generation Ships are places to visit, then there are places that might match in-game. Are all of the Generation Ship names also system names? I do not like the idea of all the waypoints I referred to in my last post (nine waypoints associated with The World Tree) being tied to Generation Ships but there are a couple here that stand out in addition to those you list at the end:
Epimetheus: siren of the deepest void.
Thetis: a match for both siren of the deepest void and the whisperer in witchspace but I prefer the whisperer interpretation. The sound is a whisper. You can listen to it on the audio logs - 21st Century humans are immune to its adverse effects!
Odysseus: as you said, a good case for a vagabond, though I don't know if the phrase is a clue to this Generation Ship specifically or to look at Generation Ships generally.

A separate point: for the Achlys it is indeed the computer itself that recorded the logs. Interesting that it was programmed to become an AI as a last resort emergency protocol but I do not see a link to Raxxla or the toast here.

Mm, don't see how you get Siren for Epimetheus. He married Pandora who, at Zeus’ command Hephaestus molded “from earth the first woman, a "beautiful evil" whose descendants would torment the human race”, so she might be a siren but I cant see him for that role. What’s your reasoning there? (Edit: silly me, the siren sounding! The descriptions do seem to be aligning with the toast...)

Yes, the Achlys computer turning into an AI seems very suspicious to me given all the strictures around AI in the game lore. So is this perhaps a representation of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden? Seems like a hint to something, it’s too detailed not to be IMHO.

Another possibility is that there are references to planets which the gen ships targeted/missed/returned to....the journey might involve finding those?

If the toast is a set of clues to a journey we have to undertake then it is very inexact!

Edit: but what’s the first line equate to? Sol? (Galnet reference I’ve often pointed out in this marathon thread).

And I cant see any link to Spiralling Stars, unless the journey ends at one which is the Omphalos Rift leading to the Raxxla instance.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I looked at this some time back and i circled on my note pad 'Atlas' for one reason, an article in Issue 9 of Sagittarius Eye regarding Tom Edwards:


It was the 'wandering' bit that got me.
Thinking of him roaming the decks in despair and grief.
I also spent some time looking for an ELW around the area and anything settlement wise related to him but to no avail.
Ive often thought that the DW and club here the same in which case would they have known about the departing ships?

O7

I dont think we can rely on anything outside the game, apart form relevant MB and DB statements.

Yes, the reference to “personal journey” got me investigating such an “Odyssey” a while ago and I visited many systems in various sequence combinations....it got boring very quickly! But there are references in-game to 2001 Space Odyssey film, and the naming of the latest game version as Odyssey also made me ponder along those lines.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

I have been reading around Yggdrasil and the Nine Worlds and the fact that this is Norse mythology whilst the stories of the Omphalos stone are Greek mythology make me think that they are two separate puzzles, thought I think both of the same type (a route as password).

The mythology of Yggdrasil, the World Tree at the centre of the World, and the Nine Worlds around it is connected to Donar's Oak in the Delphi system. (Both myths deal with an object at the centre of the world, so Delphi is a good place for both). There are systems in the Bubble associated with all of the Nine Worlds. In addition, I think that once the nine have been visited, it might be necessary to 'lock the chevron' as Louis Calvert puts it by visiting Bifrost (which represents the rainbow bridge connecting the realm of Earth to the realm of the gods, if it is not a waypoint in the puzzle already) before visiting Donar's Oak in Delphi (or at least the system) and visiting the Thargoid Structure and activating it. I think this path is leading to Raxxla but I would note that the idea of a World Tree might come from the North Star being stationary at the centre of the sky surrounded by other worlds - perhaps this will take us to Polaris!

The Omphalos Stone is Greek myth, though it has parallels elsewhere, but if The Dark Wheel toast is linked to Generation Ships then the systems are also going to have names from Greek mythology. This seems a better bet for finding The Dark Wheel station to me. In this case, the toast should lead us to a set of systems that must be visited before docking at The Oracle, and then perhaps also activating the Thargoid Structure.

I'm caught up in irl stuff a bit today (Sundays can be like that) but I'll try to dig out a list of in-game system names for the World Tree's Nine Worlds, if no one else does it first, later today.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

I have been reading around Yggdrasil and the Nine Worlds and the fact that this is Norse mythology whilst the stories of the Omphalos stone are Greek mythology make me think that they are two separate puzzles, thought I think both of the same type (a route as password).

Then you want to check out the 3 systems down beneath the bubble:
McBurney's Point (meaning "2/3 rds" in terms of distance, medical term)
Odin's Wisdom (not the ravens, but still if you think about the ravens, is this the 'mid point'?)
Gilthaven (formely a jeweler shop - sorry, all I could find, no ED/cannon story here)

Ref: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/plotting-software.529784/post-8144971

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Then you want to check out the 3 systems down beneath the bubble:
McBurney's Point (meaning 2/3 rds in distance terms)
Odin's Wisdom (not the ravens, but still if you think about the ravens, is this the 'mid point'?)
Gilthaven (formely a jeweler shop)

Ref: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/plotting-software.529784/post-8144971

Yes, those are interesting names!
They are in the Blanco 1 cluster, about 1 KLY or so from the Bubble. I have been there on several occasions (and have a handful of First Discovered, First Mapped and one or two First Footfall as well) but not seen anything otherwise related, though I cannot rule them out as waypoints of a puzzle.
(There is also a system called Ziggy, though I first think of a certain hybrid computer from Quantum Leap when I see the name)

 

[Thatchinho]

The issue I'm having with the Gen ship idea - and this is purely from my need to make Raxxla "fit in the narrative" rather that exist as a meta-puzzle is: how would the Dark Wheel toast include the Generation ships that hadn't been discovered yet?

Are we assuming here that the Dark Wheel discovered the Generations ships at some point in the past and built a complex set of crypic cues around them? If so, then their locations may not actually matter since some of them are still moving - maybe where they were when DW found them isn't where they are now, etc.

Or are we saying here that the Raxxla Codex doesn't need to make sense in-game and we should treat it as a meta-clue that doesn't need to be grounded in the game reality itself? (I don't like that idea lol)

We've also previously discussed whether the Dark Wheel actually know where Raxxla is?

If the Dark Wheel are still searching for Raxxla (as is implied in the Codex) then the Toast doesn't actually lead to Raxxla - it maybe something more like a vague hope or a sort of "this is what we've got" set of info, in which case the fact that it doesn't seem to lead anywhere and seems like it can be applied to many different things sort of make sense. The Toast may actually not have a solution.

... I suppose I'm not convinced that the Gen ships have anything to do with it just because there's some connections in some of the logs - because there's connections elsewhere (like the Formidine Rift expedition, maybe Haley, maybe Jaques, the omphalos-delphi-pleiades connections). There's actually too many things that do match parts of the Toast and parts of the Codex...

I suppose like you were saying earlier, I feel like we need something that really strongly indicates the Gen ships are involved. For example... has anyone suggested how the first line of the Toast relates to gen ships?

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! "

Really don't want to be a downer, just trying to ground this in solid research

As far as I’m aware, most generation ships that are still in flight aren’t lost. Their locations are specifically concealed from the public to protect the Generation Ships and their residents.

So it’s entirely viable that the Dark Wheel would know where Generation Ships are.

 

[Rochester]

Mmm

Then you want to check out the 3 systems down beneath the bubble:
McBurney's Point (meaning "2/3 rds" in terms of distance, medical term)
Odin's Wisdom (not the ravens, but still if you think about the ravens, is this the 'mid point'?)
Gilthaven (formely a jeweler shop - sorry, all I could find, no ED/cannon story here)

Ref: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/plotting-software.529784/post-8144971

McBurneys Point; 2:3rds interesting…

McBurney's point the point over the right side of the abdomen that is one-third of the distance from the anterior superior iliac spine to the umbilicus (navel) (Omphalos). Or the location of McBurney's point, is located two thirds the distance from the umbilicus to the right anterior superior iliac spine.

It should be noted that in Paradise Lost (one of M Brookes favourite stories) John Milton when describing his model universe literally identifies the location of the Hells gate in relation to Heavens gate, being that of three semi-diameters.

‘As far removed from god and light of heaven as far from the centre three times to the utmost pole’.

The potential implications of a system reflecting upon 3rds - particularly within this area I find very intriguing!

Thread 'The John Milton conundrum'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-john-milton-conundrum.607684/

I do wonder how much of what is being unearthed is meaningful or just plain irrelevant; Easter Eggs; Player named or part of various other unrelated or retconned mysteries!

It’s pretty obvious that the early DW/PF missions pointed somewhere, as did the whole the Guardian narrative… before they got binned; how much has been left in situ, intentionally or with disregard; or repurposed with disregard to existing clues?

The Com Dev Arthur was adamant (in a recorded interview) when he started he knew little of previous content, which if not simply first day nerves paints for a rather messy collection of threads which may all be tangled together unintentionally?

I’ve just plotted McBurney's Point against Pandemonium and its way outside any close proximity to it or its potential alignment with a celestial sphere or the very prominent systems of Yggdrasil, which all fit nicely together…

Remember that ED is riddled with bugs, especially in relation to star positions!

Based upon this significant distance, and it’s obscure naming I can’t bring myself to believe it’s linked. Although I could be wrong!

Maybe that location needs to be mapped against that of Delphi. It’s possible (if linked) it could describe a new, but very large area of influence or it might identify a new Celestial North Pole?

But possibly it’s too big an area to project any relevance; again we have Norse myth, mixed with Milton and Greek mythology; some are directly and correctly named others are not; I wonder how much of this is intended or just coincidence!

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Mmm

McBurneys Point; 2:3rds interesting…

McBurney's point the point over the right side of the abdomen that is one-third of the distance from the anterior superior iliac spine to the umbilicus (navel) (Omphalos).

It should be noted that in Paradise Lost (one of M Brookes favourite stories) John Milton when describing his model universe literally identifies the location of the Hells gate in relation to Heavens gate, being that of three semi-diameters of the great Crystalline Sphere.

‘As far removed from god and light of heaven as far from the centre three times to the utmost pole’.

The potential implications of a system reflecting upon 3rds - particularly within this area I find very intriguing!

Thread 'The John Milton conundrum'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-john-milton-conundrum.607684/

I do wonder how much of what is being unearthed is irrelevant; Easter Eggs; Player named or part of various other or retconned mysteries!

It’s pretty obvious that the early DW/PF missions pointed somewhere, as did the whole the Guardian narrative… how much has been left in situ m, intentionally or with disregard; or repurposed with disregard to existing clues?

Arthur was adamant we he started he knew little of previous content, which if not simply first day nerves paints for a rather messy collection of threads which may all be tangled together unintentionally?

Tend to agree, it's unclear what relevance any of this has to do with what. Easter Eggs, Raxxla or even Kickstarter Backers being granted their wishes.
Anyway, I'll dump the quote (go to the original posts for pretty tables) from the plotting thread that was listing a few of the distances.
The distances themselves can be interesting to keep in mind for later if you try to pick a direction and use your legs.
- it's ranging from 1100Ly to 1700Ly, most often in the ballpark of ~1300Ly.

I suppose I should finish off this small exploration story. If only to help the next Commander who ponders the mysteries of the Blanco 1 Cluster.

I did explore more systems down in and around the SWOIWNS Sector but found nothing of note. But I then wondered if I was over thinking things, and if McBurney's Point was 1/3 or 2/3 the distance between one of the other named systems and an unknown point of interest?

I jumped back into excel, the Galactic Mapping Project site, the Nearest System site and GeoGebra and plotted all the nearest systems, on lines from the other named systems in the Blanco 1 Cluster, through McBurney's Point, and where McBurney's point was both 1/3 of the overall distance and 2/3 the overall distance. This was my data:

View attachment 158142

This was the new data then plotted in GeoGebra:

G1, G2, O1, O2, Z1 and Z2 were where the maths said the ideal system would be. You can then see the actual closest systems to those points.

View attachment 158144

But again, after exploring those systems, and a good few others in this part of the cluster, I found nothing noteworthy.

So now that itch is scratched. I don't know why those systems are so named, but I am happy I have tried to explore McBurney's point being a clue to finding something. Even if I came away empty handed.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Mmm

McBurneys Point; 2:3rds interesting…

McBurney's point the point over the right side of the abdomen that is one-third of the distance from the anterior superior iliac spine to the umbilicus (navel) (Omphalos).

It should be noted that in Paradise Lost (one of M Brookes favourite stories) John Milton when describing his model universe literally identifies the location of the Hells gate in relation to Heavens gate, being that of three semi-diameters of the great Crystalline Sphere.

‘As far removed from god and light of heaven as far from the centre three times to the utmost pole’.

The potential implications of a system reflecting upon 3rds - particularly within this area I find very intriguing!

Thread 'The John Milton conundrum'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-john-milton-conundrum.607684/

I do wonder how much of what is being unearthed is irrelevant; Easter Eggs; Player named or part of various other or retconned mysteries!

It’s pretty obvious that the early DW/PF missions pointed somewhere, as did the whole the Guardian narrative… how much has been left in situ, intentionally or with disregard; or repurposed with disregard to existing clues?

The Com Dev Arthur was adamant (in a recorded interview) when he started he knew little of previous content, which if not simply first day nerves paints for a rather messy collection of threads which may all be tangled together unintentionally?

I’ve just plotted McBurney's Point against Pandemonium and its way outside any close proximity to it or its potential alignment with a celestial sphere or the very prominent systems of Yggdrasil. Based upon this significant distance, and it’s obscure naming I can’t bring myself to believe it’s linked. Although I could be wrong!

Maybe that location needs to be mapped against that of Delphi. It’s possible (if linked) it could describe a very large area of influence? But possibly it’s too big an area?

The 1/3 part might have another meaning in this context:
The World Tree Yggdrasil is said to have three roots and beneath each of those roots is a well. One of the three is (apologies for punctuation) Mimisbrunnr and it is said to contain much wisdom and that Odin sacrificed one of his eyes to the well in exchange for a drink. Odin's Wisdom is one of the named systems in Blanco 1, which connects with this legend.
The connection with McBurney's Point might be saying that this is the first of the three roots that need to be explored.

The other two roots lead to Uroarbrunnr, where the well is tended by the three Norns: Uroar, Veroandi and Skuld (in-game names might be variations, such as Urd, Verdandi or Verthandi but I think Skuld is a system name) and Hvergelmir, which is located in Niflheim (Niflheimr and Niflhel are both system names) and is said to be where water from the antlers of a stag, Eikpyrnir, flow and the region is full of snakes and home to a dragon, Niohoggr.

To explore the roots or the the Nine Worlds... .

The Nine Worlds, as far as I have so far found (others have probably done a better job, so if you can remember a summary or search better than me)
Asgard ---> ingame system: Asgar
Vanaheim ---> ingame system: Vana?
Alfheim ---> Alfheim
Midgard ---> Midgard
Jotunheim ---> Jotunheim
Muspellheim ---> Muspelheim
Svartalfaheim ---> Svaratia? (Svara and Svari also system names)
Niflheim ---> Niflheimr (or Niflhel?)
Nioavellir ---> Nialfi?
EDIT: from someone who knows more about Norse mythology than me - and turned it into a Buckyball Racing Club event!:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...presents-yggdrasil-21-29-october-3303.385280/

Also, the tattoo on Michael Brookes' back - is this not something that represents a journey? Can features there be matched up with the mythological locations associated with the World Tree that have system names?

Maybe I have been thinking too much, now! I should take a break and come back to it fresh another day.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The 1/3 part might have another meaning in this context:
The World Tree Yggdrasil is said to have three roots and beneath each of those roots is a well. One of the three is (apologies for punctuation) Mimisbrunnr and it is said to contain much wisdom and that Odin sacrificed one of his eyes to the well in exchange for a drink. Odin's Wisdom is one of the named systems in Blanco 1, which connects with this legend.
The connection with McBurney's Point might be saying that this is the first of the three roots that need to be explored.

The other two roots lead to Uroarbrunnr, where the well is tended by the three Norns: Uroar, Veroandi and Skuld (in-game names might be variations, such as Urd, Verdandi or Verthandi but I think Skuld is a system name) and Hvergelmir, which is located in Niflheim (Niflheimr and Niflhel are both system names) and is said to be where water from the antlers of a stag, Eikpyrnir, flow and the region is full of snakes and home to a dragon, Niohoggr.

To explore the roots or the the Nine Worlds... .

The Nine Worlds, as far as I have so far found (others have probably done a better job, so if you can remember a summary or search better than me)
Asgard ---> ingame system: Asgar
Vanaheim ---> ingame system: Vana?
Alfheim ---> Alfheim
Midgard ---> Midgard
Jotunheim ---> Jotunheim
Muspellheim ---> Muspelheim
Svartalfaheim ---> Svaratia? (Svara and Svari also system names)
Niflheim ---> Niflheimr (or Niflhel?)
Nioavellir ---> Nialfi?
EDIT: from someone who knows more about Norse mythology than me - and turned it into a Buckyball Racing Club event!:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...presents-yggdrasil-21-29-october-3303.385280/

Also, the tattoo on Michael Brookes' back - is this not something that represents a journey? Can features there be matched up with the mythological locations associated with the World Tree that have system names?

Maybe I have been thinking too much, now! I should take a break and come back to it fresh another day.

Search back in this thread for “tattoo”. We had a lot of conversation and brainstorming about it and the journey it might represent. Lead investigator was Scytale

 

[Pyroboros]

Hey just sharing a change in the Permit locked Systems.
the Systems below have been Permit locked in the past. The System Description said something (can't fully remember) due to security concerns this system has been permit locked by the (i think it was) Pilots Federation. not sure anymore.

Today i saw that 3 of them do no longer need a Permit and there is no longer a Description about the Permit (Only that a Permit is Required for this Location)
Just noticed it because i was getting the Peregrina Permit and saw that i had the HIP 22460 Permit that i don't recall obtaining, so i investigated.

• PLAA AIN HA-Z D46 (still needs permit)
• PRIA EURL RW-X B1-1 (permit dropped?)
• PRO EUR IG-Y D132 (permit dropped?)
• SCHEAU BLI NB-O D6-1409 (still needs permit)
• HYPIO BLUAE RL-H C12-2163 (permit dropped?)
• TEPUAE AA-A H488 (still needs permit)

maybe it's relevant for some in here i don't know. Any chance anyone knows when this changed? I have not checked on those systems in the last 12 month.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Hey just sharing a change in the Permit locked Systems.
the Systems below have been Permit locked in the past. The System Description said something (can't fully remember) due to security concerns this system has been permit locked by the (i think it was) Pilots Federation. not sure anymore.

Today i saw that 3 of them do no longer need a Permit and there is no longer a Description about the Permit (Only that a Permit is Required for this Location)
Just noticed it because i was getting the Peregrina Permit and saw that i had the HIP 22460 Permit that i don't recall obtaining, so i investigated.

• PLAA AIN HA-Z D46 (still needs permit)
• PRIA EURL RW-X B1-1 (permit dropped?)
• PRO EUR IG-Y D132 (permit dropped?)
• SCHEAU BLI NB-O D6-1409 (still needs permit)
• HYPIO BLUAE RL-H C12-2163 (permit dropped?)
• TEPUAE AA-A H488 (still needs permit)

maybe it's relevant for some in here i don't know. Any chance anyone knows when this changed? I have not checked on those systems in the last 12 month.

HYPIO BLUAE RL-H C12-2163

I recall this system being closed due to a bug on system entry after Horizons dropped where you ended up in the center of the star itself

 

[cmdr milesred]

that's a neat sub for Svartalfaheim

as the others were found I would suggest that Svartalfaheim simply has not been discovered yet, or has yet to be renamed

home of the dark elves - possibly in another language

for Niflheim , Niflheimr works fine.

 

[Rochester]

A secondary John Milton universe around Delphi

I’m no expert on Norse myth but the naming of these various locations don’t all originate in the same source material, namely to my limited knowledge there might be three prose, each describing certain stories etc involving certain entities, origins etc.

I won’t attempt to pretend I fully understand it, it being mythology of mixed origins, oral tradition; much of the contemporary understanding is just that ‘modern’ eg Western; there also may be some ‘arcane’ interpretation out there also so I can only go off what is in game…it could be that whoever programmed them in utilised a certain source material over another; or two or some mixture each or some poorly interpreted modernised version…

From my searches Svartálfar also known by Myrkálfar is the name given to an entity - not to my knowledge currently named in game; Svartálfaheimr is a location (Heimr meaning home) likewise this is not currently in game. To my knowledge..

My mapping of the Yggdrasil systems to date may indicate they are either named utilising their full correct Norse spellings, or a sub known anglicised version but not a shortened version.

Although a small number what might be shortened names do exist I can’t attest to their meaning nor correlation. Not without knowing how ED naming catalog works; I would presume those named correctly are hand placed, but those shortened are auto generated?

The only thing I can comprehend is that those systems with a Yggdrasil name are all tightly positioned within the bubble; the vast majority within a sphere of influence that matches the sphere of influence drawn by the Tau Ceti date 2296 (furthest discovered system at that date) and the location of Pandemonium; all in all a very weird coincidence!

Odins journey was to obtain knowledge, of the runes, those which held cosmological meaning to describe, well everything…the naming of things, fate, weather etc; these same runes - in game - also fit tightly within the Yggdrasil bubble (albeit one)…

What could the system Odins Wisdom or McBurney's point (both relatively close to each other) mean, other than draw some imaginary line 2/3rds from Sol or another unknown point?

I haven’t the foggiest.

Both are very far from this Yggdrasil bubble!? I can only presume it’s not linked to Delphi (the omphalos) simply because it was renamed relatively recently (in the context of ED game development history) so the potential context would historically, be meaningless - prior to the Codex, so the centre must be elsewhere.

If we draw a line between McBurney's point and Delphi they don’t line up with Odins Wisdom and Sol likewise doesn’t go through McBurney's point nor Odins Wisdom; the alignments to me don’t correlate…

*Image above shows the Yggdrasil systems (top) along with an imaginary celestial equator and pole drawn by Pandemonium; alongside a line between Delphi and McBurney's point; Odins Wisdom is also shown (bigger due to distance perspective).

In the above diagram, one system is relatively close (but not so directly, it being some lyrs off) is the system Fehu; this is a Rune, meaning Wealth. Shown in the image below from a different perspective, Fehu being in the centre of the image!

*edited:

So if we ignore Odins Wisdom for now, as it may / may not be relevant…McBurney's point represents 2/3rds from the navel, then that could identify Delphi is the axis. This is such a coincidence!

If true then we need to apply John Miltons measurements to assess the celestial north point, namely 3 radius from Delphi, this can be calculated from the placement of McBurney's point, or you just accept it as the Celestial South and just follow that pole along its trajectory!

If true it might fit an assumption that this might be a re-interpretation of the Pandemonium celestial pole, that maybe following the nerfed PF/DW missions, maybe, FD moved Raxxla, or it’s part of their narrative (meaning part of the ‘clues’ were missing until the Codex?

This ‘JM Mobile’ might still be relevant but now it centres around Delphi not Sol - it effectively is the same, a centre, a southern pole and a reference to Yggdrasil (Donars Oak).

Delphi is either a coded metaphor, directing us to the JM Mobile around Sol, or it’s a secondary JM Mobile, but now around Delphi… this might make more sense because of it’s close proximity to the Pleiades; which has a strong link to the works of HP Lovecraft!

I’m currently attempting to still map Milton’s Celestial north, in a stock Cobra (because it’s fun). Once that’s resolved I’m off to Delphi to apply the same logic!

 

[Louis Calvert]

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That's a very cool image. How are you creating these images and alignments? are the stars shown (and your other posts) correct to the galmap locations?

If you had, say, 6 systems, could you draw lines between them and see where they cross over and relate that to the Galmap. like this:

Edited to remove stupid waffle