The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Killerskullmk]

We’re just assuming ’Astrophel’ (Phil) is a reference to Astrophel and Stella. It could likely just means ‘star lover’.

Then you have the context, ‘Princess Astrophel’ ergo female and of royal decent.

Astrophel is essentially a male alias constructed by Philip Sidney, he being the ‘star lover’ and Stella (Lady Penelope) being his love.

The confusion over phel / phil is not an issue of interpretation, it’s due to a typographical error when the poem was published, it’s generally accepted to be one word just spelt differently in different volumes. The context remains the same, it’s a male derived name.

The sonnets have been interpreted by many to be a numerical allusion to Homers Odyssey as the number of Penelopes suitors of which there were 108, is the same number of songs; the similarities to Lady Penelope and Homers Penelope, and remember, Odysseus returned home in disguise as a beggar, he essentially was a vagabond.

However, its also a rather saucy text, not applicable for younger readers. And John Milton was more to M Brookes liking, by all accounts Milton didn’t like Sidney much, but the two did have some family entanglement after Sidney’s death, particularly regards Mary Sidney who actually was a big deal at that time, more so than her brother….

In my opinion ‘Princess Astrophel’ is either a reference to the Odyssey or it’s a role reversal, as it’s a male prefix, Astrophel / Astrophil being a play on word for Phillip…

I suspect it’s actually a reference to ‘Mary Sidney’ his little sister, for whom Sidney wrote her a children’s story… Arcadia.

Mary, was also into astronomy as well as a whole host of other shenanigans including the occult, the occult at that time not actually being about the devil, but a homogeneous babble of various religions…

You might think ‘Stella’ is a deep prom full of depth, but by Jove, Arcadia is riddled with it… plus it has pirates and hidden treasure…and multiple references to Delphi…

But we’ve been here before; it’s possible it’s an allusion to something totally different or a red herring or it’s a reference to an in game

Keep digging O7

I've been reading the excerpt from this commentary on the piece you brought up, I'm going to keep stuttering this to try to understand see if there's something we're not seeing.

Just maybe, stella can represent raxxla ? as the goal, the longing of Astrofel (us raxlla hunters)

So the jewel "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" could be raxxla,

The biggest challenge is to find a connection between Omphalos and history, a clue, a hint, between the lines between mythology and interpretation....
If there is anything in these sonnets it will be the real clue that the Codex says "as hints to those with eyes to see"

 

[Rochester]

The Omphalos has links to a least 3 myths linked to Delphi, it also pops up in multiple Greek references as: the birth of the titans, Hercules (who had to put on a dress when married to Omphale by order of the Delphi profit), it can be to hub of a wheel, shield, bowl or coin, the brow of a mound, the apex of an island, take your pick!!!!

 

[Emperor]

We’re just assuming ’Astrophel’ (Phil) is a reference to Astrophel and Stella. It could likely just means ‘star lover’.

Then you have the context, ‘Princess Astrophel’ ergo female and of royal decent.

Astrophel is essentially a male alias constructed by Philip Sidney, he being the ‘star lover’ and Stella (Lady Penelope) being his love.

The confusion over phel / phil is not an issue of interpretation, it’s due to a typographical error when the poem was published, it’s generally accepted to be one word just spelt differently in different volumes. The context remains the same, it’s a male derived name.

The sonnets have been interpreted by many to be a numerical allusion to Homers Odyssey as the number of Penelopes suitors of which there were 108, is the same number of songs; the similarities to Lady Penelope and Homers Penelope, and remember, Odysseus returned home in disguise as a beggar, he essentially was a vagabond.

However, its also a rather saucy text (the context is lost in modern translation, but there’s a lots of naughty stuff in there), not really applicable for a younger audience (granted such context may be lost). And John Milton was more to M Brookes liking, by all accounts Milton didn’t like Sidney much, but the two did have some family entanglement after Sidney’s death, particularly regards Mary Sidney who actually was a big deal at that time, more so than her brother….

In my opinion ‘Princess Astrophel’ is either a reference to the Odyssey or it’s a role reversal, as it’s a male prefix, Astrophel / Astrophil being a play on word for Phillip…

I suspect it’s actually a reference to ‘Mary Sidney’ his little sister, for whom Sidney wrote her a children’s story… Arcadia.

Mary, was also into astronomy as well as a whole host of other shenanigans including the occult, the occult at that time not actually being about the devil, but a homogeneous babble of various religions…

You might think ‘Stella’ is deep, but by Jove, Arcadia is riddled with it… plus it has pirates and hidden treasure…and multiple references to Delphi…

But we’ve been here before; it’s possible it’s an allusion to something totally different or a red herring or it’s a reference to an in game female character?

Keep digging O7

Excellent summary sir!

 

[Han_Zen]

Hello tinfoil hats mates, recently I have been studying again about Raxxla, well among 1476 pages about raxxla very little really solid we have achieved so far...
But I would like your help and understand if any real clues have been found, what has been investigated recently, I want to be able to help you and update me on the subject.

I will share a little bit of my vision with you:
I have always believed that there is something in Mr Sidney's sonnet astrophel e stella, mentioned in the codex:
"Several versions of the Raxxla story mention an alien artifact: The Omphalos rift, described as a gateway or tunnel through which parallel universes can be accessed. These details however were later shown to bear a striking resemblance to the children's story "Princess Astrophel and the spiralling stars", and soon lost credibility. Undaunted, some Raxxla seekers insisted the story's Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see".

I have been studying these sonnets for days, there are references to Greco Roman mythology in the text, but I have yet to find anything or the possible hidden clues "Author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book, as hints for those with eyes to see."

Besides the poetic and mitorlogical interpretation of the text, there is also the difficulty of translating some terms from an Old English 1500 to be unfolded as well, maybe I'm not seeing how The Barben interpreted it...

This page has the sonettes translated in to modern English: https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/English/Sidney1thru27.php

 

[Killerskullmk]

This page has the sonettes translated in to modern English: https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/English/Sidney1thru27.php

Thank you very much for your help! I will look into this text.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

I was wrong. Delphi in the Pleiades was important. It just was that all parts of the Delphic myth are important - not a singular one.

Had this randomly suggested this morning based on my mythology research and it related to Delphi. I am beginning to think we need to play really close attention to Sol (the original Delphi), Bedaho (Saud Kruger and dolphin connection), Ackwada (Augustus Brenquith is linked to both Ackwada and Saud Kruger), and Delphi in Pleiades where there is a Janus Incorporated. This is J-Corp from First Encounters. It also likely links into Jaques.

Zeus’ Eagles to Apollo the Dolphin: Myths of Delphi​

Zeus' eagles, Apollo the Dolphin: Myths of the Delphi

Delphi the "Navel of the Earth" was a place of great religious significance, with its famous oracle at the center of many myths and legends.

www.travel.gr

 

[Rochester]

I can’t totally place it, but I recall that some Roman dignitary moved an Omphalos (as there were more than one), there’s a work of art I think depicting it (or the Oracle) being transported?

Just thinking, Braben loves his Roman history. Many people interpret Greek mythology as ‘Greek history’ but the Romans appropriated all of it…so some of it’s rather jumbled up.

There are at least three areas in game where there is an axis; Sol (0,0,0); system Axis Mundi and Delphi.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

"For those with eyes to see" story from the bible kinda has me thinking of Thargoids

Matthew 13:14-38 So they show that what Isaiah said about them is true: ‘You people will listen and listen, but you will not understand. You will look and look, but you will not really see. Yes, the minds of these pe | Holy Bible: Easy-to-Read Versi

So they show that what Isaiah said about them is true: ‘You people will listen and listen, but you will not understand. You will look and look, but you will not really see. Yes, the minds of these pe

www.bible.com

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

"For those with eyes to see"

This concept is actually pre-xtian in it's origins. The Gnostics, Druze*, Hermeticism, and Sufi Islam (it is the esoteric version of the Islamic faith) all ended up being part of the basis of the Abrahamic faiths. This may prove interesting to some of you:

Hermetism and other religions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

* - If you are curious about Essafa and Mic Turner it very much feeds into this kind of stuff. For anyone interested, DM me and I can explain it. There are only 4 Jones Colony in the game but only one is his home.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

We’re just assuming ’Astrophel’ (Phil) is a reference to Astrophel and Stella. It could likely just mean ‘star lover’.

<snipped>

But we’ve been here before; it’s possible it’s an allusion to something totally different or a red herring or it’s a reference to an in game female character?

Keep digging O7

Female star lover.....thargoid???

But I dont remember hearing about “Arcadia” before...if it’s a childrens’ story then it might be relevant? Must find a copy!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

@Rochester
“some Roman dignitary moved an Omphalos”? Who was that? First I’ve heard...

 

[Rochester]

@Rochester
“some Roman dignitary moved an Omphalos”? Who was that? First I’ve heard...

Yes - ha don’t quote me on that it’s a vague recollection of some artwork or illustration, some type of procession into a city, the omphalos or Oracle was either being moved or visiting…

Back from the mists of time when I worked in the arts, I’m likely wrong. Again I don’t think it was a truism, more an artwork from the romanticism period. Just tin-foiling.

 

[Rochester]

Female star lover.....thargoid???

But I dont remember hearing about “Arcadia” before...if it’s a childrens’ story then it might be relevant? Must find a copy!

The Countess of Pembroke's Arcadia

For context, I’m no expert, but just to rely upon one interpretation restricts our perspective, by no definition do I prescribe my interpretation as the correct course…

Philip wrote it for his little sister as a sort of ‘trifle’ (!) a personal story they developed together at home when she was younger to keep her entertained. It didn’t get published until much later. So a children’s story?

I’ve rambled on several sheets of tin-foil about this before, looking for potential links…again this is just ‘one’ interpretation…this is too wide, so again it might just be the reference to Astrophel is much simpler than we imagine, a system or star port in a particular alignment with other systems - who knows.

It’s equally plausible it means nothing at all and its just poet appropriation.

 

[Rochester]

Spiralling stars?

This just dawned on me, what if the spiralling stars are not actually ‘spiralling’ but just a series of unremarkable systems, but with a shared naming relationship. For example: named after Hills; Rivers; Deities or chocolate biscuits etc.

It would be the naming sequence laid out in Galmap which could form a spiral path (not 2D but in 3 dimensions, going from one point to another / like a tunnel) the ‘Princess’ or Astrophel, could be at the end / start, or maybe thats the naming sequence used eg Star Lovers?

One would only observe said path if one had ‘eyes to see’; able to understand the common relationship between them all.

My rummaging in the Underworld and Yggdrasil has raised my suspicions that FD has placed certain spacial layouts intentionally, naming systems after certain themes, and there maybe paths between them!

Example what if ‘Cora comes home’ does just mean - follow the path of Demeter to Persephone = go down to the Underworld (this path matches the line of sight for systems discovered upto to 2296). Then, the mentioning of ‘lost kingdoms’ in the Codex, literally just relates to the area of lost kingdoms found in that underworld area?

Spiralling Stars, might be another series of systems moving away from this area, but the naming sequence is in a spiral…

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10101133

As unlikely of course as any other theory…

 

[SergMx]

Spiralling stars?

This just dawned on me, what if the spiralling stars are in fact a series of systems with a shared relationship. E.g. they are all named after Hills; Rivers; Deities or chocolate biscuits etc.

The naming sequence laid out in Galmap, could form a spiral (not necessarily down), the ‘Princess’ (if not an in joke of ‘save the princess’) or Astrophel, could be at the end / start (a name attributed to a Star Lover)….

My rummaging in the Underworld and Yggdrasil does raise my suspicions that maybe such layouts have been placed intentionally.

As unlikely of course as any other theory…

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As far as I know spiral stars are just spiral galaxies as they look in the starry sky.

 

[Rochester]

As far as I know spiral stars are just spiral galaxies as they look in the starry sky.

Possibly, but I meant a series of general systems - e.g. points in Galmap. But a spiral path is drawn by the use of similar naming.

Just an idea. *edited original post to attempt to explain it better.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Well, had a quick look at Arcadia. The ancient English puts me off & I can’t see anything obviously relevant, so I still think that “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” (if it is indeed a clue and not just more FD fluff/obfuscation) is “for those with eyes to see” an anagram (since we are not given a copy of the aforementioned book text to peruse; we only have that “title”). That is, I suspect the location of Raxxla is given in one of the many variations of letters from that phrase. I’ve posted on this a year or so ago, but I got up to over a hundred valid ED system names from that phrase, at which point I gave up...there is a point at which an interesting puzzle becomes too infuriating and no fun...I think I’m well past that point. Haven’t played for around a month...

 

[Rochester]

Well, had a quick look at Arcadia. The ancient English puts me off & I can’t see anything obviously relevant, so I still think that “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” (if it is indeed a clue and not just more FD fluff/obfuscation) is “for those with eyes to see” an anagram (since we are not given a copy of the aforementioned book text to peruse; we only have that “title”). That is, I suspect the location of Raxxla is given in one of the many variations of letters from that phrase. I’ve posted on this a year or so ago, but I got up to over a hundred valid ED system names from that phrase, at which point I gave up...there is a point at which an interesting puzzle becomes too infuriating and no fun...I think I’m well past that point. Haven’t played for around a month...

I think an anagram is far more likely than some arbitrary reference with 15th century poetry. Or it just very simply ‘star lover’…

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

'for those with eyes to see'
Currently at the Retina Nebula, a small planetary nebula centred on a Wolf-Rayet star about 3 KLY from the Bubble. Nothing here but an AXI Fleet Carrier.

I'll hang around the surrounding systems for a short while before I head back. This region is a bit off the beaten track and I found an unusual number of undiscovered systems/planets on the way out, given how close to the Bubble this is.

I've been unwell lately and am easing back into it. I have no desire to see the inside of a hospital again! I still have plenty of catching up to do and have forgotten a lot.

 

[Dox Paradox]

What if the star spiral is the set of star ships available?
It is in a sense a "spiraling" ascension to the stars, and what trigger a decisive contact from "we don't know who" is acquiring all ships models like a true star lover.
Many players own many ships, but most ships are regarded as overlaps or even with no real use case.
I'm not even drunk.