Project Seraph
The name itself clearly references angels. However, it is much more clear now that it is likely not referring to beings of purity, but more like the fearsome burning dragon / serpent imagery. This correlates with the Galnet entry referring to Thargoids as dragons and further reinforces the Thargoid's position in the lore as fierce guardians of something.

Yup - ive been looking into this as well. I mentioned back a bit how I think the Thargoid Artefacts are some sort of Seraphs. I suspect they are identifying Merope as The Garden. We might have re-enacted a bit of mythology when we stole the Meta-Materials from the Barnacles....

The Land of Hesperides is a blissful grove of fruit trees guarded by the dragon Ladon.

This exactly

Stealing the knowledge from the tree....
 
Yup - ive been looking into this as well. I mentioned back a bit how I think the Thargoid Artefacts are some sort of Seraphs. I suspect they are identifying Merope as The Garden. We might have re-enacted a bit of mythology when we stole the Meta-Materials from the Barnacles....



This exactly

Stealing the knowledge from the tree....
Mmm, tree of knowledge, forbidden fruit, omphalos from which the Pythia (Pythoness, implying early monsters, and recalling that Rhea gave the omphalos stone to Chronos-an earlier god) gained knowledge, garden design (Li Qing Jao station)...sounds like we're fully back in Paradise Lost mythology and looking for the Garden. Could the codex ohrase "for those with eyes to see" actually be a clue to Paradise Lost by MB's favourite author John Milton who was blind? That station garden design ends with a gateway through the wall...

IIRC mankind's Fall (in-game system) was when Adam & Eve were expelled by the angel from gate to Paradise, so are we looking for something located towards the East or West of Gateway? Satan's fall was from the North wall.

In "Milton’s Ontology, Cosmogony, and Physics" Walter Clyde Curry 1957, Curry asserted that in Paradise Lost Heaven's Gate was on the West wall. However a more reasoned explanation seems to be by HF Robins 1961 "Satan’s Journey: Direction in Paradise Lost”, who revised Curry's analysis to place Heaven's Gate on the East Wall, and that “God faces the east, traditionally the holiest of directions”. "Robins highlights one important usage, that “Satan entered [the Garden] by jumping over the western wall—‘On the other side:’” I also suspect the in-game cardinal markers from the Greek Winds have been misplaced as intentional obfuscation.

An early Galnet post drew attention to long distance travels from Smithy’s Claim (Dahan 2c, Dahan Gateway, and Gateway has a planet named Hope which is reminiscent of the meaning of "Shinrarta Dhezra"..."In Life. She saw Hope). Ive already pointed out the singular naming of bodies within Dahan system...which could be an interpretation of the codex's toast.
Also a TB highlights that the Gateway system was originally known as Oltiqu (in earlier games), but was renamed (WHY?) when the Alliance was founded in 3230, and Elite Legacy hints that Raxxla is inAlliance space. MB said pointedly "When you’re travelling in Alliance space make sure you’re not accidentally smuggling something illegal”, which makes me think TOHF are the key to opening the gateway (TOHF are forbidden everywhere, so why draw attention to just Alliance space?)
 
I will start off with - I think the base Story might be related to Welsh Myths - relating to Taliesin Annwn and maybe a little Golden Fleece tossed in...

Before i get into that - i want to point out that I believe there is an overlaying of related stories/myths going on which is part of what has been so confusing. A series of palimpsests... to steal an allusion.

Lets start with Holdstocks Alien World... Where we get this (paraphrased):

The Narathnu Sector.... In this Sector in the Ivirom System on the planet Nuxor. Two (related?) species exist on Nuxor - The tall slender- copper skinned Narathnu - accomplished dancers, musicians and storytellers go great distances in their starships. The second race known as the Narathna are squat, olive-skinned and looked down upon by the higher Narathnu. They are traders who will trade anything. Known to take other species for display - including humans.

The copper-skinned Narathnu are noted mythmakers. One of their stories is the legend of the Great Ship, an account of a mysterious race that lives in the Dark Wheel.... It is now known that during the first phase of Humankind's expansion into the stars, a generation ship populated by more than a million colonists, massed through a warp fault in space and was flung across time and space emerging into the Narathnu Sector. Its thought that the passage through the warp hole had affected their minds (Twisted Men)

Ahmed Samarandara was a great explorer who discovered The Samarandara Pears (location of Raxxla) his great grandson following in the footsteps of Ahmed... died due to the Kiiry- gigantic medusoid creatures which call commanders to their death... turning the space around Ivixor B into a Sargasso Sea of wrecks...

The Narathnu are Bards... (Taliesin) Who tell us of a Great Ship that passes through a Rift and travel to the Otherworld...
The distinction between two types Narathnu seems to be important as well. And we get the Great Explorer who discovers the Pearls... where Raxxla is located.
This is a pain to put together - so im subjecting you to a bunch of ramblings now....

Pulling info from the Gazeteer as well as the Tales from the Frontier, The FFE Journals, and Further Stories, oh and Elite Dangerous

Ackcanphi:
There is a Institute for Science and a renowned Artists Colony... The two streams.... At this artists colony we find Taylor Arkwright (a Bard?) who painted "The Third Leaf" which i imagine is relating to Awen also I suggest looking at this video. Interesting that in ED this system is just three Suns.... But Ark Wright .... we will get to the Ark later...

Bedaho:
The planet Home causes every living creature to shimmer and glister with golden hues.... The result of an organism that will change you permenantly to a golden hue if you stay there for more than 30 days... Augustus Brenquith (a version of Ahmed Samarandara) is a great explorer who left a glittering legacy - discovered Akwada. He is known to have been from Bedaho. Brenquith the name... Bren (having black hair) Quith - another version of Quit. So Brenquith could mean quitting black hair. Wandering slightly (Outer Limts) from Bedaho but alont the same track of the explorer.... Lorn (no last name?) also an explorer like (or possibly is?) Brenquith. He takes slave women on his trips and if they have dark? hair - he makes them dye blond. His Ex-Wife (Alista) lives on Aymiay and has Dark Curls and Brown Eyes like her Brother (Kharon) who now lives with her. Lorn and Alista have a son named Lester. Alista Marlbrons last name is probably Marl - a yarn made by twisting different colors together and Bron another version of Brown.... or could it relate to Bran?

Cemiess:
A curious system, thought to have lost its outer planets many millennia ago due to a close encounter with another star system. The governor of Tau Ceti is featured prominently in the description of this system- his name being Santorini... The island of Thera/Acrotiri where the Mountain blew up and became a Caldera filled with water... Also the name Prox Mire.... This is where I jump to the FFE Journals for a bit - Lucas Byzantium and his ship the High Caldera... He gets sent on a trip to Hell (Imperial Prison on Zovese) for having a whole lot of DreamWare chips. Anwen is know to be accessable through high mountain lakes or caves (A nice paper on the celtic otherworld). Ya i think Cemiess is one location of a portal..... In Holdtocks "Merlins Wood" - A Black Knight would materialize from the forest when water was poured onto a precious emerald at the brim of the fountain. Emerald of course is a planet in Cemiess as well as the system having a Glass City and Secret Pond View.... This could be a representation of the Lake as Portal. - A great video about the Cauldron.

“And in the middle of the valley you will see a great tree, its branches greener than the greenest fir trees. And under that tree is a well, and near the well is a marble slab, and on the slab there is a silver bowl fastened to a silver chain so they cannot be separated. Take the bowl and throw a bowlful of water over the slab. And then you will hear a tumultuous noise, and think that heaven and earth are trembling with the noise. And after the noise there will be a very cold shower – a shower of hailstones – and it will be difficult for you to survive it. And after the shower there will be fine weather. And there will not be one leaf on the tree that the shower will not have carried away. And then a flock of birds will alight on the tree, and you have never heard in your country such singing as theirs. And when you are enjoying the singing the most you will hear a great groaning and moaning coming towards you along the valley. And with that you will see a knight on a pure black horse, dressed in brocaded silk of pure black, with a banner of pure black linen on his spear. And he will attach you as quickly as he can. If you flee, he will catch up with you; if you wait for him on horseback, he will leave you on foot. And if you do not find trouble there, you will not need to look for it as long as you live.” xi Owain

Merope:
I think Merope is the also a Portal... possibly the Glass Fortress - Caer Wydyr. This is associated with Glastonbury - once an Island in the river/marshland. Also associated with Glastonbury is the tree... And Avalon. Which is why I am suggesting this might be the Garden of Paradise - considering the actions of the Thargoid Sensors etc..
The Spoils of Annwn itself is related to The Marriage of Branwen which among the similarities of only having seven return but also has the magic Cauldron which revives the dead but they cannot speak... Think about our communication problems with thargoids. In the Spoiles of Annwn at the Castle of Glass it is defended by six thousand and it was difficult to speak to them... I believe this is the reason we cannot speak with the Thargoids.


Oh ya I havent gotten to the Dark Wheel

I think the Great Ship that the Narathnu talk about is the Bubble Ship that was kidnapped - filled with Scientists and Miners... And that event is possibly related to the curious stripping of planets from various systems - such as Cemiess and Asellus Primus.... I wonder about the earthquake on Rhea.... Ya there is also the Wanderer... Remember that Whale that disappeard? Im thinking its not good though and we dont want Azimuth to find it thinking something like The Colour out of Space.

I meant to do a thing on Exbeur - land of our Miner Terrorists... but I will let you look that up in the Journals and the Gazetteer... But there is a Douglas MountHilbert for those interested in mountains.... And Hilbert is a mathematicians name .... Hilbert Space.... Interesting choice for the second galaxy in No Mans Sky....

Ya back to Black Wheel... The symbol is a target over a bird. Will go ahead and assume a black bird since it is the Black Wheel. In welsh myth there is Bran the Blessed ... Guardian of Britan... (of course he was a shiny raven i think). Earlier I realized that Holdstock had described a swirling mass of dark birds as a Dark Wheel. I asked myself what Greek myth involves shooting a bird (the dark wheel symbol shows a target over a bird). I think the answer is the Myth of Hercules and the Stymphalian Birds. The birds were living on an island in the River Stymphalos in Arcadia and as one of Herakles' labours - he was to get rid of them. He used a rattle and his poisoned arrows to kill and drive them off - they flew to an island called Aretias. The Argonauts encountered the Birds on Aertias before going to get the Golden Fleece. Holdstock uses birds as a portal device - He described the Dark Circle in his book Lavondys. In The Hollowing he uses birds twice as Portals - the hollyjack and the Faulcon... This is where I would have people take a look at the Langford Basilisk fractal from the FFE Journals. And then look at the Story that the idea comes from.

"... independently discovered by at least two late amateurs of computer graphics. The "Fractal Star" is generated by a relatively simple iterative procedure which determines whether any point in two-dimensional space (the complex field) does or does not belong to its domain. This algorithm is now classified." The winking parrot.... Sound Familiar?

There was a Maenad in the FFE Journals named Cat Svevo... svevo meaning from the region of Svevia - makes you wonder if it was a reference to this cat. But i digress.... The maenids were hunting down a group that was stealing important artistic landscapes.... they caught them and got them to return things.... but the Maenids started stealing.... Is the Winking Cat - Cat Svevo?

So ya I think the Great Ship is the Bubble ship - King Arthurs ship and the Argo...
It flew off into the past with a Whale .... And ya the Dark Wheel are Guardians of the Portals - The portals possibly to multiple realities like the original Elite? Or im still holding out for the Magellenic Cloud.

There is more but im fading .... :sleep:


Obfuscated in the outer rim....
There was a Column in The Athenaeum under the title Marginalia - signed by Autolycus....

Also written but never published by that author was a childrens book.
 
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Coming back here after a few years and seeing that no progress has been made, and better yet we have new theories with absolute no proof for anything always brings me a mix of hapiness that the hunt is still on and sadness that we may never actually find anything.


Too bad frontier dont want us to unlock some of those special systems
 
Coming back here after a few years and seeing that no progress has been made, and better yet we have new theories with absolute no proof for anything always brings me a mix of hapiness that the hunt is still on and sadness that we may never actually find anything.


Too bad frontier dont want us to unlock some of those special systems
Methinks the ED 10-year plan has suffered a minor slippage...now could be 20 or 30 years! 😁
 
Interesting, examining LAWD 27, examined belt cluster 1 & 2, unable to get near belt cluster 3 (too close and exit to normal space)


PS: I hate White Dwarf's
 
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n "Milton’s Ontology, Cosmogony, and Physics" Walter Clyde Curry 1957, Curry asserted that in Paradise Lost Heaven's Gate was on the West wall. However a more reasoned explanation seems to be by HF Robins 1961 "Satan’s Journey: Direction in Paradise Lost”, who revised Curry's analysis to place Heaven's Gate on the East Wall, and that “God faces the east, traditionally the holiest of directions”. "Robins highlights one important usage, that “Satan entered [the Garden] by jumping over the western wall—‘On the other side:’” I also suspect the in-game cardinal markers from the Greek Winds have been misplaced as intentional obfuscation.

Ya Ive read both of these and they are good - but i think they are possibly both wrong. I do agree with Robins in that i think Heaven is rectangular and essentially modeled after the Church or Temple. But that is also where he trips up (deliberately I think to fit his thesis). There is such a thing as Liturgical East and i think Milton is trying to create his map to fit the data that he is given. If we are constructing heaven as a Church - we must have the Entrance at the West end because East is the rising sun and the location of Christ/God. And in every Church/Temple - they are the Home of the God. The God faces outward toward the "door" - god wouldn't face east because he is the reason East is Holy. Also inorder to have Satan on the "Left Had of God" - he has to be in the South... But He wasn't Satan then... He was the Archangel Lucifer until he realized that God was giving the power of Creation to his Son...So it makes sense that he would be in the North/ Right Hand. And in Milton putting Satan in the quarters of the north is probably using Isaiah 14:12 (below). I suspect in Isaiah they are referring to the Egyptian Indestructibles... I think Set was over there too among the circumpolar stars....


"I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High." - Isaiah


Ya ive been meaning to do a proper model of this ... but here is a paint doodle instead :)

l2PGnsd.jpeg



Edit- As to the garden gate... I think the only gate is in the East side of the Garden. Hence when We are expelled from the garden - we are "East of Eden" I cant remember how that fits in with the path from heaven though...
 
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Ya Ive read both of these and they are good - but i think they are possibly both wrong. I do agree with Robins in that i think Heaven is rectangular and essentially modeled after the Church or Temple. But that is also where he trips up (deliberately I think to fit his thesis). There is such a thing as Liturgical East and i think Milton is trying to create his map to fit the data that he is given. If we are constructing heaven as a Church - we must have the Entrance at the West end because East is the rising sun and the location of Christ/God. And in every Church/Temple - they are the Home of the God. The God faces outward toward the "door" - god wouldn't face east because he is the reason East is Holy. Also inorder to have Satan on the "Left Had of God" - he has to be in the South... But He wasn't Satan then... He was the Archangel Lucifer until he realized that God was giving the power of Creation to his Son...So it makes sense that he would be in the North/ Right Hand. And in Milton putting Satan in the quarters of the north is probably using Isaiah 14:12 (below). I suspect in Isaiah they are referring to the Egyptian Indestructibles... I think Set was over there too among the circumpolar stars....


"I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High." - Isaiah


Ya ive been meaning to do a proper model of this ... but here is a paint doodle instead :)

l2PGnsd.jpeg



Edit- As to the garden gate... I think the only gate is in the East side of the Garden. Hence when We are expelled from the garden - we are "East of Eden" I cant remember how that fits in with the path from heaven though...
Necessary context from FFE.

  • The Northern Edge per FFE was in the direction of Ursa Major/Ursa Minor/Draco.
  • The Southern Edge is behind Sol in the general direction of Serpens - Aquila Rift (a.k.a. Milky Way's Great Rift).
  • The Western Edge is over by Varati and New Yembo.
  • The Eastern Edge is Imperial in the direction towards Coalsack Nebula.

This means:
  • Galactic North (towards Sagr A*) is the Southern Edge.
  • Galactic South (towards the rim of the galaxy closest to Sol) is Northern Edge.
  • The side of the Bubble towards Mare Desperationionis (Varati and New Yembo) is Western Edge
  • The side of the Bubble towards The Tenebris (largely Imperial) is the Eastern Edge.
 
Necessary context from FFE.

  • The Northern Edge per FFE was in the direction of Ursa Major/Ursa Minor/Draco.
  • The Southern Edge is behind Sol in the general direction of Serpens - Aquila Rift (a.k.a. Milky Way's Great Rift).
  • The Western Edge is over by Varati and New Yembo.
  • The Eastern Edge is Imperial in the direction towards Coalsack Nebula.

This means:
  • Galactic North (towards Sagr A*) is the Southern Edge.
  • Galactic South (towards the rim of the galaxy closest to Sol) is Northern Edge.
  • The side of the Bubble towards Mare Desperationionis (Varati and New Yembo) is Western Edge
  • The side of the Bubble towards The Tenebris (largely Imperial) is the Eastern Edge.
Im not sure it would apply directly like that. If we are using milton - the known universe is circular - i think heaven sits outside.

“Then staid the fervid Wheeles, and in his hand
He took the golden Compasses, prepar’d
In Gods Eternal store, to circumscribe
This Universe, and all created things:
One foot he center’d, and the other turn’d
Round through the vast profunditie obscure,
And said, thus farr extend, thus farr thy bounds,
This be thy just Circumference, O World.“
wonder if Raxxla was in Frontier (Elite 2) ....

The more i look at what they wrote in The Stories … the more i wonder
Check out the Langford Basilisk in FFE Journals.
 
I suspect localisation in Milton is kept intentionally vague, as although he utilises various methods of gauging dimensions, primarily for orientation, these vary dramatically and he mixes them to a degree; I suspect to intentionally confuse our perspectives of size, trying and achieving to convey god-like cosmological distances to a 17th century audience!

In the text Eden is described by the character Chaos as not far off when Satan first fell.

The location of Satans fall I don’t believe is actually specified, but he and his army on the dawn of the battle congregate and attack from the North. They are then at the end of the battle ‘pushed back’ so logically the fissure they fall through is notable towards the North.

Eden (our universe inside a sphere) hangs from the wall of the Empyrean, not far off it, so relatively close in distance, indicating it is not separated from gods grace and with reach. Heavens gate is confirmed as being at the East gate (open to interpretation) but its staircase, logically it doesn’t extend straight down but winds downwards and would therefore be at an angle before landing upon the glove of Paradise (or universe).

So based upon both, it’s possible that Eden hangs upon the North East (or North West based upon interpretation).

The Empyrean is described to have the shape of a squircle, yet it’s infinitely huge, yet visible enough with high defined sloping walls (hills) for Satan to comprehend its shape when he sees it from Chaos!
 
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Hearing of Azimuth leaving Xi WangDa system got me word sleuthing again. Probably nothing, but there is a curious theme appearing.

Wang is a king, monarch, or 'to reign over'
Da is great, to attain, reach, eminent.
Xi means West... another Azimuth west pointer....

So the name could be King of the West? West Great Monarch?
This gives me Sun Wukong vibes - aka Monkey, Journey to the West. The journey of a monk alongside three fallen gods who seek atonement for their sins.
Sun Wukong was born from a magic stone atop the Mountain of Flowers and Fruit (Mount Huaguo)
Early in the story he is proclaimed Monkey King by bravely passing a test to enter the Water Curtain Cave after crossing a large iron bridge.
A defiant king of a cave.... where have I heard that before 😜
 
It wasn’t. The code has been checked. FE2 didn’t have much custom content at all. It was very generic.

FFE had much more hand written content. No Raxxla there either, though.🙁

Ya just reading about about the Fractal - Langford Basilisk,,, And lenslok being used on the Firebird.... A lens you had to align between two lines.... I just had a sneaking suspicion that maybe in the Firebird and Commodore systems that used the lenslok - maybe there was a lenslock easter egg.... Which i suspect ties in to the hidden images we are seeing in some of the sound files... a door of perception?
 
FE2 didn’t have much custom content at all. It was very generic.
I'm sorry, I didn't quite follow you.
You mean the special names of planets and systems? (like the Sun)
Or the fact that if you zoom out on the galaxy map, you can see other galaxies?
 
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