The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

It also nicely aligns with Legacy. Rex Cavus (King of the cave/hollow / the hollowed king) seeks an unknown something using Eagles - Darik and Julia's ships - to help him find it.

Nice spot!
But it leads me to wonder how much obfuscation has been built into the lore!
Is it all just loosely used to construct a thin veneer of reality for the game, or is this instance a reflection of the codex mention of the Omphalos raising the ancient Greek Zeus/Eagle/Omphalos myth and suggesting that the critical clue lies within Elite Legacy?
(That's poorly phrased, bad night's sleep and need more coffee!)

Because Ive been pointing out for some time that Legacy has Julia, apparently from childhood, fixated on Raxxla (I know the feeling!) and intending to fly to Alliance space to look for it (but with no indication of why she suspects it is there).

The question is ... Exactly where in Alliance space?

 

[Rochester]

Nice spot!
But it leads me to wonder how much obfuscation has been built into the lore!
Is it all just loosely used to construct a thin veneer of reality for the game, or is this instance a reflection of the codex mention of the Omphalos raising the ancient Greek Zeus/Eagle/Omphalos myth and suggesting that the critical clue lies within Elite Legacy?
(That's poorly phrased, bad night's sleep and need more coffee!)

Because Ive been pointing out for some time that Legacy has Julia, apparently from childhood, fixated on Raxxla (I know the feeling!) and intending to fly to Alliance space to look for it (but with no indication of why she suspects it is there).

The question is ... Exactly where in Alliance space?

Her grandfather also survived the story, and he indicated Julia would likely end up searching for him and the wider family. Did Brookes indicate in the forum that Julia may have left Freeholm?

“That depends on whether Julia is still there” M Brookes.

Post in thread 'Elite: Legacy'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-legacy.50320/post-2677329

In Elite Legacy, Darik Cavus (oak hearted / cave) was primarily focused upon protecting his daughter Julia Cavus (Joves child / cave) from her grandfather, and he was against her engaging in exploration, particularly because she had an interest in looking for Raxxla.

His family had a nefarious and lucrative business, which utilised various shell companies to remain hidden.

Then we have the indication from the Codex that some members actively try to keep their children out of the Dark Wheel.

I long suspected these characters may be part of the Dark Wheel and the book is giving us some indications on how they may hide themselves, or at most a sphere of influence of where they may be?

 

[Han_Zen]

Nice spot!
But it leads me to wonder how much obfuscation has been built into the lore!
Is it all just loosely used to construct a thin veneer of reality for the game, or is this instance a reflection of the codex mention of the Omphalos raising the ancient Greek Zeus/Eagle/Omphalos myth and suggesting that the critical clue lies within Elite Legacy?
(That's poorly phrased, bad night's sleep and need more coffee!)

Because Ive been pointing out for some time that Legacy has Julia, apparently from childhood, fixated on Raxxla (I know the feeling!) and intending to fly to Alliance space to look for it (but with no indication of why she suspects it is there).

The question is ... Exactly where in Alliance space?

Since Vega is also the the location of the Gan Romero story, I see it as a more likely region (or direction) than 'Alliance space'. I suspect that Julia's book tells a child's version of the TDW story and she plans to go to Lave.

 

[Emperor]

Nice spot!
But it leads me to wonder how much obfuscation has been built into the lore!
Is it all just loosely used to construct a thin veneer of reality for the game, or is this instance a reflection of the codex mention of the Omphalos raising the ancient Greek Zeus/Eagle/Omphalos myth and suggesting that the critical clue lies within Elite Legacy?
(That's poorly phrased, bad night's sleep and need more coffee!)

Because Ive been pointing out for some time that Legacy has Julia, apparently from childhood, fixated on Raxxla (I know the feeling!) and intending to fly to Alliance space to look for it (but with no indication of why she suspects it is there).

The question is ... Exactly where in Alliance space?

"As a girl she’d even dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla. Her father disapproved of such tales when she’d been a child. Even so, the desire to head into deep space called to her."

Is deep space the direction she would go for Raxxla or just her yearning for exploration?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

"As a girl she’d even dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla. Her father disapproved of such tales when she’d been a child. Even so, the desire to head into deep space called to her."

Is deep space the direction she would go for Raxxla or just her yearning for exploration?

"Julia as a girl dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla. ....
As a girl Julia grew up without toys with a single possession, a book about a young man’s quest to save a princess from an alien dragon locked alone each day in the tiny family cell while her parents slaved in the mines. She hoped to keep her Eagle as she’d grown accustomed to its idiosyncrasies...whether it was a suitable ship for travelling all the way to Alliance space was another matter”

Edit
I imagine from Freeholm anything more than han 10ly or would be "deep space"

 

[Clive Stone]

I'm somewhat new to the whole Raxxla thing and it's piqued my interest. Um.... 1770 forum pages is a LOT to chew through. Is there a TL;DR floating around please guys and gals?

 

[Darrack]

I'm somewhat new to the whole Raxxla thing and it's piqued my interest. Um.... 1770 forum pages is a LOT to chew through. Is there a TL;DR floating around please guys and gals?

Yes the TL/DR is basically we haven't found it yet

O7

 

[Emperor]

Yes the TL/DR is basically we haven't found it yet

O7

And we don't know what we're looking for...

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

But we've had lots of fun looking for something; plenty of interesting thoughts, hypotheses, concepts, wanderingss, wonderings and outright craziness...
Skimread through the last 300 pages!

 

[Emperor]

I'm somewhat new to the whole Raxxla thing and it's piqued my interest. Um.... 1770 forum pages is a LOT to chew through. Is there a TL;DR floating around please guys and gals?

On a serious note the very first post is where to start...

The codex is about the only other piece of information that mentions Raxxla in game...

There's the odd mention in official books on Elite dangerous...

Some think other games in the series are relevant, others don't...

And Jorki has a link in his signature on mentions from FD (from David Braben and Michael Brookes)...

The rest is conjecture and ideas from other pieces of literature linked in some way to Elite or Michael Brookes favourite books to Greek (and other) mythologies

And there is also the landscape signal and whether that is Raxxla or linked to it ...

I will have missed many other ideas, thoughts and suggestions but that's stuff off the top of my head....

Oh and not ruling out it might not actually be in the game or you can't get to it currently...

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

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And Jorki has a link in his signature on mentions from FD (from David Braben and Michael Brookes)...

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But unfortunately some of those url links in my FDQuotes thread are so old they may well no longer work
Tempus fugit!

 

[Louis Calvert]

The proposed Hidden System might contain a very dim star type - do we know if all known stars would be visible at that distance? What about a black hole?

I have recently been able to find a system nearby that's got a T Brown Dwarf .8ly away from a nearby star - it is invisible in the skybox. An L class is visible 1.5ly away though.

So if there is any hidden system anywhere we can't even guarantee they'd show in the skybox

 

[Emperor]

I have recently been able to find a system nearby that's got a T Brown Dwarf .8ly away from a nearby star - it is invisible in the skybox. An L class is visible 1.5ly away though.

So if there is any hidden system anywhere we can't even guarantee they'd show in the skybox

Interesting... Which system?

 

[Louis Calvert]

Interesting... Which system?

No idea, it's not important, it's just a random star that happened to be a similar distance away as a hypothetical hidden system would be to Stuemeae JM-W C1-5825, I'm sure there are millions or billions of others.

The question I asked was "would any star type be visible in the skybox at that distance" and no-one answered, so I was just recording my own answer for anyone in future who wondered the same thing. The answer is no, not any star type, it seems from that one example I happened to be passing that a T-type is too dim, but an L-Type is not. I assume too that a black hole would also not be visible at less than 1ly, but that's a guess.

That means there might be a hidden system there (near Stuemeae JM-W C1-5825), or there might not be, and there's simply no way to know under present conditions.

 

[Rochester]

Yes details please. This sounds like a potential candidate which may match the description of a dark system?

I’ve long thought such systems exist in game but are bugged or common place, but the mechanism for exploiting them was simply not implemented. Hence difficult to find.

It would be a perfect way to hide Raxxla, however it relys on the assets being intended and therefore an acceptable game mechanism, if they are unknown to us, it indicates that FD are withholding information and the likelihood drops considerably. Because I suspect the Codex is intended to be accessible…

As with comets I suspect Dark systems and rogue planets are one and the same and likely in game but like comets an unfinished asset.

But that just wild conjecture

 

[Louis Calvert]

Yes details please. This sounds like a potential candidate which may match the description of a dark system?

I’ve long thought such systems exist in game but are bugged or common place, but the mechanism for exploiting them not implemented.

Like comets I suspect FD don’t want us to find them because it identifies an archaeological aspect of the game’s design which was edited to allow it to get the launch under scrunch. But that just wild conjecture

"Dark Systems" are just Brown Dwarf or similar systems. AFAIK early on there was a plan to have them hidden and discoverable as "shortcut" systems but that was never implemented, so technically every dim star is a potential dark system. That's why they appear in some of the novels though because the writers were working off very early drafts of the overall design documents.

It's just yet another one of those Elite myths that clouds the real mysteries that get propagated by this community.

Note: I think this is also a misunderstanding of my post! I was only commenting on the visibility of stars in the skybox within set criteria.

 

[Rochester]

"Dark Systems" are just Brown Dwarf or similar systems. AFAIK early on there was a plan to have them hidden and discoverable as "shortcut" systems but that was never implemented, so technically every dim star is a potential dark system. That's why they appear in some of the novels though because the writers were working off very early drafts of the overall design documents.

It's just yet another one of those Elite myths that clouds the real mysteries that get propagated by this community.

Note: I think this is also a misunderstanding of my post! I was only commenting on the visibility of stars in the skybox within set criteria.

I agree, and no I didn’t misunderstand, I was going off topic due to wine…

Never the less - I agree in you’re assessment.

Star visibility in game is probably affected by obfuscation from dust. FD stated their original designs were too bright so they had to manually edit dust levels and luminosity. I do believe there isn’t a logical answer. There are stars in the galaxy which technically shouldn’t be there. And our displays (huds) are set to show certain luminosity which can be edited by FD.

Black holes can be visible in the gal map as some (not all) are shown with a halo…if the bh is not the primary it technically is invisible until you jump there and see various visible clues, and the scanner of course.

I don’t really know the answer only speculate if the star is not visible in the sky map it’s just due to luminosity, distance and dust, if it’s not visible in the galaxy map, it technically could be just part of a primary system that is, and that might fit the description of some dark systems as either very distinct or captured bodies or are they remnants of the known star library duplication?

Nether the less, this is a good find O7.

Going off topic again, I do miss the old mechanism for exploration, and do suspect it was the primary reason we never found Raxxla, the new mechanism effectively makes everything far too easy and probably introduced complacency?

I do miss the old Mki scanner…

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Probably isn't relevant, but in case it gives someone an idea, there appear to be exactly five inhabited permit-locked systems in the bubble for which the permit is available but the system is Powerplay exempt. (So far as I can tell all the ones where the permit is still unavailable are exempt)

Two of them are obvious: Shinrarta Dezhra and CD-43 11917 (CQC) are the two "neutral" universal outfitters.
A third - HIP 54530 - had the permit only made available relatively recently as part of the Jupiter Rochester storyline and maybe they forgot to enable it for Powerplay at that point.

The other two - Hodack and Nastrond - have been permit-locked since the beginning, haven't generally been involved in the plot, and yet are still PP-exempt. Lots of other potentially plot-significant permit systems (Isinor, Mbooni, etc) participate in Powerplay normally.

Any ideas why those two specifically might be exempted?

 

[Rochester]

Ross 788 is home to the station Brookes Abyss, as memory serves it’s named after Michael Brookes.

In Ross 788 the controlling faction is the ‘Defence Party of Nastrond’, this same faction that’s required to obtain the permit for the locked ‘Yggdrasil’ system ‘Nastrond’.

Nastrond is a place in Hel, below the world tree Yggdrasil.

Considering my investigations this Yggdrasil exists in game, and Nastrond is located in the correct position relative to it. I obtained the permit years ago, but as with other permits it never led towards anything, but maybe it does?

 

[Hellstar]

Sort of new, did they actually ever find Raxxala yet or no?