Realistically there's only one 'version' of the Raxxla story, other than the contents of the Codex. It's the original Dark Wheel novella from 1984, this is the digital version but (aside from typos) it's the same text as appeared in the printed novella with the original Elite game.

There's only a tiny bit of it that relates to Raxxla, basically the last page or two and a few sentences near the start. That's the novella that launched a thousand ships, as they say, and there's obvious similarities between that story and the accounts in the Codex.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that what's written there is lore though, it's not and many, many people have gone down that rabbit hole and are still falling :)

Arguably there are many, many other stories of Raxxla - the ones we've invented and theorised over the years. The Codex makes oblique references to the Raxxla hunters like us, so take your pick with the knowledge that they're all made up by people that don't know anything.

Fundamentally though, ignore literally everything except the EXACT things that appear in-game via Galnet or the Codex, or occasionally elsewhere, like the official novels (which are cannon, but contains nothing useful on Raxxla specifically, though some on The Dark Wheel which is useful in a way) - or you'll already be off to a rocky start. Anything outside of the game is, at best, inspirational material and again, lots of folks have gotten very lost in non-elite materials. I do mean Holdstock's works here too, including Alien World, ignore them.

I'd ignore Astrophel and Stella and Astrophel too, no-one's found any references to anything in them at all, and I think the reference is more of a literary nod than a clue in a specific sense. Brookes didn't expect people to read dusty poems to solve the mystery in a space game set 1000 years in our future.

In short, consider the Codex as Fdevs first (and really only) actual hint and first ever actual in-game confirmation of Raxxla and start there with the assumption that they put that in when they didn't have to (no-one was expecting it at all and the quest was virtually dead), so they wanted us to have that specific set of info. It says what it says because Fdev made it say that deliberately and with intent.

FYI you can easily search all of Galnet's articles via this awesome website. I encourage you to do so because Galnet is pretty much the primary method Fdev had for feeding us info before the Codex. This spreadsheet contains all the known Tourist Beacons, since that's the other source or genuine lore materials in-game. There's a few other things, like ship logs and settlement logs, the Canonn webstie is handy for that since they have archived all that too - I recommend the 'abandoned settlement' logs since they are typically a souce of interesting mysteries.

O7 to this.
 
One way I made sense of the codex for myself, is to look at it as a metaphorical map. The descriptions being literal locations in game. Some segments I suspect reference the official books, primarily Elite Legacy by Brookes, which may or may not hold additional locational clues?

But yes don’t dive too deeply, into classical literature nor the wider lore, I think collectively we’ve exhausted all of that and the path is very likely very straightforward, so you’re fresh perspective is useful.

Personally I think it’s a localisation map and the clues are all in the game. Astrophel might be meaningless, it might be the keystone!

The turn of phrase is interesting because in that segment it talks of a children’s story. In game lore there is only 1 reference to a child’s storybook, and that’s in Elite Legacy, so again it could be literary…

Seek and you may find!
 
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In short, consider the Codex as Fdevs first (and really only) actual hint and first ever actual in-game confirmation of Raxxla and start there with the assumption that they put that in when they didn't have to (no-one was expecting it at all and the quest was virtually dead), so they wanted us to have that specific set of info. It says what it says because Fdev made it say that deliberately and with intent.
Thank you. I was around when this thread started but I been gone for a long time and I wasn't aware of this. Matter of fact last time I played regular there wasn't even a Codex. Hard to play catch-up over 1700 pages this thing has grown to. I found a transcript of the codex entry, and it seems it is indeed the source where the language from the wiki comes from.

I'd ignore Astrophel and Stella and Astrophel too, no-one's found any references to anything in them at all
I plan to find out. Hope you're wrong.
 
And I am saying it could be a giant arrow, that they have never approached something, fairly central to the most central and engineered system in the game.

Every other asteroid field works perfectly. Except Sol's.

I can go to Tau Ceti, and go to their Asteroid sites that are less than 4 ls from the star. Never any issue with any star outside of Sol.

Also, side note, every other Mining site in every other Planet's rings work 100% perfectly. Except the Void Opal site in Neptune's rings. Which doesn't have a drop point.
You could have something there, never tried void opal mining in Sol& haven't heard anything about drop point problems at Neptune. With the recent discussion on Triton it may be FD were giving us clues... Have at it Commander!
 
Thank you. I was around when this thread started but I been gone for a long time and I wasn't aware of this. Matter of fact last time I played regular there wasn't even a Codex. Hard to play catch-up over 1700 pages this thing has grown to. I found a transcript of the codex entry, and it seems it is indeed the source where the language from the wiki comes from.


I plan to find out. Hope you're wrong.
I never believed that the codex's Astrophel (a boy's name, so why princess? sounds contrived to me) was a reference to Philip Sidney's prose (didnt stop me spending a lot of time diving binary BH from "Stella's black eyes", just in case!) nor any other classical literature- I cant believe MB would set us off chasing down external leads like that...the clues and solutions should all be available within this game. So I tried looking at that supposed book title as an anagram; many many system names can be derived, narrows down a lot if you believe Elite Legacy's hint to Raxxla being in Alliance space. But havent found it yet though.

Just a thought.
 
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While on the topic of Astrophel I had built up a few more ideas around it with some retreading over old notes.
Aster / astra / astrum - Yes this means star, however, I'm reading that the word in Latin is used in context with known named stars whereas 'Stella' is a more diminutive word referring to nondescript stars.

The codex leaves out 'Stella' so there is a chance it was intended to avoid a direct relationship to Sidney's poem and the use of 'spiralling stars' may be acting as a substitution.

Like Jorki and others pointed out, 'phel' is peculiar in that the writer chose this suffix and not 'phil'.
It was used in Sidney's poem in the masculine sense, however, there is also a word phêl used in Welsh.
Note: Any native Welsh speakers who can clarify would be a great help :D
Phêl is a spoken variant of pêl meaning a ball, sphere/orb, world, or mark of honour/renown.

So in that sense the story's title could represent:
Princess - female figure of 'royalty' (ie. wielding power)
Astro - relating to the starry heavens,
Phêl - relating to a globular, spherical form.

This immediately reminds me of the cosmological Celestial Spheres.
One is the Sphere of Stars, which could be a link to the 'spiralling stars' portion of the book title.
Other candidates are the Spheres of Venus and the Moon due to their feminine mythological roots. Venus is obvious, but I think the Moon (goddess Selene/Luna) might be a better fit as there is the parallel with Seline Cavus in Legacy.
Another parallel is that the goddess Selene is pictured with a crescent moon on top of her forehead - ie. on her brow.

The codex's emphasis on a children's story, by a male author, who was 'concealing facts' is also intriguing. Riddles, kenning and metaphors are a form of concealing facts (truths). What if "children's story" is a play on words to mean it is a story of children - not in the juvenile sense, just literally the sons and daughters of parents. This would make sense in the context of Legacy - Julia the daughter who inherits power, and Darek her father grieving his wife and lover.

There are also the mythological parallels.
The Norse story of Sól and Máni is about the sun (Sól) and moon (Máni) who are siblings and children of Mundilfari (meaning the one moving time / passage of time). In this setting, Astrophel could represent Sól as a literal 'star sphere', and the Spiralling Stars could be symbolic of her father Mundilfari, or their travels across the sky chased by the wolf Fenrir - maybe like the dragon in Julia's book?

Selene is also the daughter of Hyperion and sister to Helios (Apollo).
Keats' poem Hyperion does share influences from Paradise Lost as well as the Aeneid and Divine Comedy. The Hyperion text is abruptly broken off mid-line at the word "celestial" just as apollo receives his power - could this be what the title in the codex is relating to?

Hints for those with eyes to see:
In Hyperion, Apollo gains his godhood by looking into Mnemosyne's eyes and receives her knowledge as the goddess of memory. Apollo is the deity of Delphi. The omphalos and the children's story is described in the same paragraph of the codex - as well as this mysterious author who is claimed to be the source of riddles leading to Raxxla.
"Several versions" could refer to there being multiple versions of a mythological tale - so it could imply looking at mythological stories that focus on children of elder gods.
 
Interesting ideas.

Consider it from the other way around though too.

You're naming a character that you want to be an astronomer or "star lover", someone powerful, celestial, a princess or goddess figure...google those ideas, one of the names you get offered in those "250 names for your baby" type lists is, in fact, Astrophel. Here's one such, out of many.
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This works both in the lore and out: In the lore it's the name of a character in a book so the author of that book chose that name - and it was also chosen by whoever wrote the codex info to be the name of a fictional person in a fictional book.

Having sat looking through endless names lists myself trying to find the right name for a character... maybe this is actually "what Astrophel means". Maybe it's just a name that someone picked?
 
Pronunciation might be key to the title, if relevant. How is this Welsh word spoken aloud? I’m interested because the audio for the Codex seems to pronounce it a specific way, this might help if relevant…lost in translation?
 
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The codex's emphasis on a children's story, by a male author, who was 'concealing facts' is also intriguing. Riddles, kenning and metaphors are a form of concealing facts (truths). What if "children's story" is a play on words to mean it is a story of children - not in the juvenile sense, just literally the sons and daughters of parents. This would make sense in the context of Legacy - Julia the daughter who inherits power, and Darek her father grieving his wife and lover.

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I wonder how much trust we can/should place on MB's novel Elite Legacy in relation to the Quest.?
In that book
"Julia as a girl dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla....as a girl Julia grew up without toys with a single possession, a book about a young man’s quest to save a princess from an alien dragon locked alone each day in the tiny family cell while her parents slaved in the mines. She hoped to keep her Eagle as she’d grown accustomed to its idiosyncrasies...whether it was a suitable ship for travelling all the way to Alliance space was another matter”.

This appears on the face of it to indicate Raxxla is located in Alliance space, which might tie in with MB's words and expression during the Elite: Dangerous Fiction Diary #1 - @7mins30 MB said “When you’re travelling in Alliance space make sure you’re not accidentally smuggling something illegal” with big grin and fixed look for several seconds....but is that clue too obviousand therefore obfuscation?

Carrying on from @selbie 's thought above, if we consider children (plural) then I think we should ignore Julia (she was an only child) but we could consider her father & his siblings: Darik, Lee (viper pilot), Mervan (Fdl), & Selene (viper). Now "dragon" derives from ancient Greek where it meant giant serpent, and there is a definite snake theme in this game with the ship type naming convention. The children's story echoes the phrasing in the codex, so I suspect this might be a clue, but if so I think it will be obtuse. There might be an anagram of some the phrasing involved, or some form of cryptic hint. There is at least one serpent depicted in MB's tattoo, which I think is another clue to Raxxla.
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Wikipedia has some interesting things about Python, a huge serpent, child of Gaia and its abide at Delphi (Omphalos location)...

Could the "children's story" actually be hint to the greekk myth? Gaia is the leading Sol faction...
 
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Pronunciation might be key to the title, if relevant. How is this Welsh word spoken aloud? I’m interested because the audio for the Codex seems to pronounce it a specific way, this might help if relevant…lost in translation?
Going by wiktionary's linguistic guide it would be said just like 'fel'. Hence why I asked if there were native speakers around :p
While digging around for pronunciation I found there are certain scenarios where the p can be softened to a 'ph' sound in Welsh, but it wouldn't be a guaranteed thing. Beats digging around for stegosaurs at least.
The voice actor does say it in a way that emphasises the second syllable - which happens to be like iambic pentameter, thus a-STROFF-el - coincidentally used by Keats who abandoned Hyperion because of too many inversions like Milton but then ended up using Milton's style anyway in Fall :oops:
 
Going by wiktionary's linguistic guide it would be said just like 'fel'. Hence why I asked if there were native speakers around :p
While digging around for pronunciation I found there are certain scenarios where the p can be softened to a 'ph' sound in Welsh, but it wouldn't be a guaranteed thing. Beats digging around for stegosaurs at least.
The voice actor does say it in a way that emphasises the second syllable - which happens to be like iambic pentameter, thus a-STROFF-el - coincidentally used by Keats who abandoned Hyperion because of too many inversions like Milton but then ended up using Milton's style anyway in Fall :oops:
Mmm, googling...
A "strophe" is a group of lines that form a section of a poem..the first part of a Greek Ode poem (the Odyssey???)

"stroph" comes from Greek, where it has the meaning "turn; twist"

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So are we being told the solution is in an anagram, twisting the letters/words??
 
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While on the topic of Astrophel I had built up a few more ideas around it with some retreading over old notes.
Aster / astra / astrum - Yes this means star, however, I'm reading that the word in Latin is used in context with known named stars whereas 'Stella' is a more diminutive word referring to nondescript stars.

The codex leaves out 'Stella' so there is a chance it was intended to avoid a direct relationship to Sidney's poem and the use of 'spiralling stars' may be acting as a substitution.

Like Jorki and others pointed out, 'phel' is peculiar in that the writer chose this suffix and not 'phil'.
It was used in Sidney's poem in the masculine sense, however, there is also a word phêl used in Welsh.
Note: Any native Welsh speakers who can clarify would be a great help :D
Phêl is a spoken variant of pêl meaning a ball, sphere/orb, world, or mark of honour/renown.

So in that sense the story's title could represent:
Princess - female figure of 'royalty' (ie. wielding power)
Astro - relating to the starry heavens,
Phêl - relating to a globular, spherical form.

This immediately reminds me of the cosmological Celestial Spheres.
One is the Sphere of Stars, which could be a link to the 'spiralling stars' portion of the book title.
Other candidates are the Spheres of Venus and the Moon due to their feminine mythological roots. Venus is obvious, but I think the Moon (goddess Selene/Luna) might be a better fit as there is the parallel with Seline Cavus in Legacy.
Another parallel is that the goddess Selene is pictured with a crescent moon on top of her forehead - ie. on her brow.

The codex's emphasis on a children's story, by a male author, who was 'concealing facts' is also intriguing. Riddles, kenning and metaphors are a form of concealing facts (truths). What if "children's story" is a play on words to mean it is a story of children - not in the juvenile sense, just literally the sons and daughters of parents. This would make sense in the context of Legacy - Julia the daughter who inherits power, and Darek her father grieving his wife and lover.

There are also the mythological parallels.
The Norse story of Sól and Máni is about the sun (Sól) and moon (Máni) who are siblings and children of Mundilfari (meaning the one moving time / passage of time). In this setting, Astrophel could represent Sól as a literal 'star sphere', and the Spiralling Stars could be symbolic of her father Mundilfari, or their travels across the sky chased by the wolf Fenrir - maybe like the dragon in Julia's book?

Selene is also the daughter of Hyperion and sister to Helios (Apollo).
Keats' poem Hyperion does share influences from Paradise Lost as well as the Aeneid and Divine Comedy. The Hyperion text is abruptly broken off mid-line at the word "celestial" just as apollo receives his power - could this be what the title in the codex is relating to?

Hints for those with eyes to see:
In Hyperion, Apollo gains his godhood by looking into Mnemosyne's eyes and receives her knowledge as the goddess of memory. Apollo is the deity of Delphi. The omphalos and the children's story is described in the same paragraph of the codex - as well as this mysterious author who is claimed to be the source of riddles leading to Raxxla.
"Several versions" could refer to there being multiple versions of a mythological tale - so it could imply looking at mythological stories that focus on children of elder gods.
The mutation of pel to phel would mean it's in a sentence meaning her ball.... My Welsh is rusty but think that's correct...
 
Going by wiktionary's linguistic guide it would be said just like 'fel'. Hence why I asked if there were native speakers around :p
While digging around for pronunciation I found there are certain scenarios where the p can be softened to a 'ph' sound in Welsh, but it wouldn't be a guaranteed thing. Beats digging around for stegosaurs at least.
The voice actor does say it in a way that emphasises the second syllable - which happens to be like iambic pentameter, thus a-STROFF-el - coincidentally used by Keats who abandoned Hyperion because of too many inversions like Milton but then ended up using Milton's style anyway in Fall :oops:
Yes the letter ph would sound like an English F
 
which superpower did Michael Brookes support/favour?
Alliance? Federation? Empire?

I'm sure I heard him favour one during a livestream, but I can't remember which...Im still considering the hint in Legacy that Raxxla is in Alliance space.
 
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which superpower did Michael Brookes support/favour?
Alliance? Federation? Empire?

I'm sure I heard him favour one during a livestream, but I can't remember which...Im still considering the hint in Legacy that Raxxla is in Alliance space.
The only way the idea that "Raxxla is in Alliance space" makes sense is if Alliance space expanded to encompass Raxxla very recently.

Raxxla has been know about since "The earliest days of interstellar travel", and the Alliance was formed from a rebellion after 3228.

Nothing in the history of the Alliance seems to suggest that its formation was related to anything other than a rebellion against exploitation and the desire to be 'not part of the Empire or Federation'. Therefore what you seem to suggest here is that the Alliance accidentally expanded to encompass Raxxla? Or you're theorising that Raxxla is moveable and was put in Alliance space? Or the Alliance leadership deliberately expanded territory to include Raxxla once they discovered it somehow?

While the Alliance's early history around some prominent individuals (from the FFE era) have certainly had a major impact on the Galaxy - I wouldn't put it past the Turner Family to have some ideas about Raxxla - I find it questionable to conclude that Raxxla is in Alliance space because the main character in that novel (who is basically a Luke Skywalker-style youth that's grown up entirely within one asteroid mine) wants to go look for Raxxla, and she's in Alliance space. We might also conclude that Raxxla is in the Federation since Art Tornqvist mentions it in a similar context in the Codex?

Still, you might have more luck considering the juxtaposition between the extant of human-explored space in Art Tornqvist's time versus the Alliance territory in Julia's time, because, logically, if Raxxla is in Alliance space, and Tornqvist knows about the myth of Raxxla almost a thousand years before, then there must be a venn diagram of systems that could have been discovered in the 2200's to start the Raxxla myth that are part of Alliance space in the 3300's.

I'd be much more inclined to buy into this idea* if there were other factors to support the Raxxla-Alliance location, but so far there doesn't seem to be any?

If we're looking at the official novels, it's arguably more likely that And Here The Wheel contains hints to Raxxla, since that actually focuses on an offshoot of The Dark Wheel, and mentions the Ryder family by name and fills in some background on them in Elite Dangerous - this also fundamentally canonises at least the Ryder name and their prominent position in the hunt for Raxxla and position within The Dark Wheel organisation, and the fact that the Dark Wheel never found Raxxla. This post from John Harper contains some context details.

Q: ... the Dark Wheel didn't find Raxxla.

A: ...AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS WAS TRUE AS PER INFORMATION PROVIDED BY FD...

We can learn a lot from the fact that the Dark Wheel spent a thousand years looking for Raxxla and didn't find it. We can also consider that probably most of human-colonised space has been searched by the Dark Wheel during this time. The Great Raxxla Potato Hunt group here on the forums has scanned a vast portion of the bubble in just a few years... make that slower due to older hyperdrives (and consider the bubble was smaller), and it's reasonable to think that the Dark Wheel has already scoured human space before we got on the scene!

As I've talked about before, the major thing we have now is the ability to easily explore the entire galaxy. That simply wasn't possible prior to the late 3290s. Anyone playing FE2 or FFE knows that exploring human space and the Frontier was relatively easy in the end-game, the killer was ship maintenance outside the Frontier systems. This, in my opinion, lends weight to the idea that Raxxla, or whatever is discoverable in that way, lies outside the bubble - or outside the realm of 'common human explorations'. We know that with extreme funding it was possible for ships to reach a few kilolights outside the bubble prior to FSD, but every story that includes that reinforces the extreme danger and hardship of such travels, and that many never returned.

*in theory
 
The assumption made by @Jorki Rasalas (correct me if I have it wrong) is based upon a statement made by Brookes about flying through that area with unidentified prohibited goods. And is combined also with the assumption that in Brookes Elite Legacy, certain acts occur in that general area.

The assumption is from my perspective, not that Raxxla has had an effect upon exploration (?) but rather the author may have hidden locational environmental clues in his statements and work(s) to advocate that zone might be a good place to look?

We also seemingly have it by official source, that other novels were told to avoid the subject of Raxxla.
 
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I'm making no assumptions, but I'm wondering how much credence we can place on that apparent hint in Elite Legacy (& possibly also the hint from the Dev Diary vid also stressing Alliance & carrying illegal goods, possibly implying TOHF) that Raxxla is in Alliance space. I suspect it may be obfuscation...
 
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I'm making no assumptions, but I'm wondering how much credence we can place on that apparent hint in Elite Legacy (& possibly also the hint from the Dev Diary vid also stressing Alliance & carrying illegal goods, possibly implying TOHF) that Raxxla is in Alliance space. I suspect it may be obfuscation...

Mmm not sure, I think it is possibly related but only temporally.

In so much that its possibly had relevance in an original timeline of orchestrated events, but maybe now, any such evidences relevance might have degraded, because of obfuscation!

Personally I feel there are two mysteries at play here.

One revolves around an original narrative that was cut short, but whose architecture persists to this day?

The other possibly a redux, a redraft of the original, which may or may not continue along the same path of enquiry?

Logically any evidence ought to correlate along the timeline irrespective, but if chapters were removed, before they were drafted, or shared, how reliable would it be now?
 
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