The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Neestar]

well we are suppose to get a new ship feature at the end of the year. I and many others are hoping maybe. this time. Hopefully. If they did that they would be attracting way more users.

Speaking of "more" --> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ation-claim-pause.634598/page-9#post-10565134 ... sheesh talk about the RAXXLA needle in a vast needlestack, eh? Then again, to quote the late great Han Solo: 'Never tell me the odds!'

p.s. Those umm odds are why, imho, finding RAXXLA has just gotta be about more [parameters] than mere happenstance...

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Speaking of "more" --> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ation-claim-pause.634598/page-9#post-10565134 ... sheesh talk about the RAXXLA needle in a vast needlestack, eh? Then again, to quote the late great Han Solo: 'Never tell me the odds!'

p.s. Those umm odds are why, imho, finding RAXXLA has just gotta be about more [parameters] than mere happenstance...

Wow, that thread is weird in every way. TBH, I don't get the discussion. Most of star systems in areas with large star separation distances have been visited, if only because it's actually not as tedious to visit all of them. This is another reason I feel that Raxxla cannot be in the fringes of the galaxy. Most remarkable systems have also been visited. Pick any unusually named system and you can bet on it being indexed by EDSM. Doesn't necessarily mean that they have been fully scanned. Doesn't mean there is nothing to find there (the potato hunt project shows how much can be found just in the bubble). But people complaining about unexplored space should realize that by now most unexplored space implies systems in densely packed areas like galactic arms and the middle. You can find unexplored, untouched systems a thousand light years from the bubble.

Paradoxically, tools like EDSM and Spansh actually somewhat limit the exploration, particularly in relationship to colonization. Most people will likely do colonization by exploring the neighborhood in EDSM or Inara or Spansh. If you're looking for a large body count system in your neighborhood, what is more likely? Are you going to jump around randomly? Or will you just hop on one of the existing mapping websites to find what you want in about ten seconds flat? That's one of the reasons I don't believe the colonization will actually turn Raxxla up. I don't think it will necessarily cause someone to do something thousands of people haven't done before.

Here is an easy scenario that isn't getting fixed by any current methods. Let's say it's an asteroid station. You jump into a system with two stars. You honk. You have asteroid belts filtered out. You get a message "system scan complete". Autoscan doesn't trigger because the belts are around B which is ~5k LS away or whatever. You move on - nothing interesting to see there. Why hop into FSS if you just heard "system scan complete"? Who will bother colonizing an empty system with 2 stars and nothing else? Nobody cares about asteroid belts these days. If you want to mine, you look for a ring with good hotspots, or more likely go to one of the well-known ones.

Stuff like this - there are plenty of scenarios of this sort. I'm not even talking about something more esoteric as "you can see a thing on a planet, but it's not showing up as a POI on the scan".

 

[Ch3x]

I finished a Coriolis in Col 285 Sector NL-E b12-1 with my buddies this past week just to try the new colonization stuff, meh. Going around just looking at stuff in the vicinity and whatever people here turn up now. Trying to drop at Ezra Point Ocellus in Wellington (abandoned) crashes the game every time. Probably just a bug so I submitted it as a crash report, the other stations and planetary ports look the same and there are still nhss 4-5 in the nebula. Just gonna stare at the galmap now and check unvisited systems. Give me some places to hit I got 90ly range in the mandy.

 

[Yuki Estelle]

well we are suppose to get a new ship feature at the end of the year. I and many others are hoping maybe. this time. Hopefully. If they did that they would be attracting way more users.

There are two features that would bring me back to Elite:

1. A new Raxxla breadcrumb.
2. Ship interiors.

 

[Neestar]

Here is an easy scenario that isn't getting fixed by any current methods. Let's say it's an asteroid station. You jump into a system with two stars. You honk. You have asteroid belts filtered out. You get a message "system scan complete". Autoscan doesn't trigger because the belts are around B which is ~5k LS away or whatever. You move on - nothing interesting to see there. Why hop into FSS if you just heard "system scan complete"? Who will bother colonizing an empty system with 2 stars and nothing else? Nobody cares about asteroid belts these days. If you want to mine, you look for a ring with good hotspots, or more likely go to one of the well-known ones.

Stuff like this - there are plenty of scenarios of this sort.

yep i hear ya CMDR . Question(s) btw... Did 'asteroid stations' ( therefore 'asteroid belts' ) come into the game before or after RAXXLA codex entry?

Also, 2nd question... i had yet another red-herring fools-gold ( as in, i was the over-excited fool because of the NAME of that ^ ship ) type searching situation today and it made me wonder: Were 'megaships' like there in that ^ my screenshot introduced into the game before or after RAXXLA codex entry?

1. A new Raxxla breadcrumb.

Hopefully sometime before this whole search gets too....stale.

 

[Rochester]

Oh dear… other half has bought an Xbox (I’m on PS5), I may be a little distracted by Starfield and No Man’s Sky on the pass… I needed a break.

*edit

OK not so impressed with Starfield, it is effectively just a clever Fallout reskin, my primary gripe is in the exploration, which is just fast travel and everywhere feels like ‘rooms’ which is essentially how Fallout feels generally and the NPC acting is like any Fallout game, diabolical.

However I’m really enjoying the FPS aspect, I can feel it drawing me in, especially the ship to ship boarding which is rather enjoyable, and I’m really enjoying the various missions, but as like with Fallout these are just ‘go fetch’ tasks, and like Fallout there’s no emotional hook, so it all feels so cold.

Still I do like the concept of ship/ship boarding etc, if only ED had this too it would tempt me back to PC.

It’s games like this which remind me how disappointing game design generally is, how prosaic and absent of imagination. ED could have so much more I feel if they had gone down their initial development plans for crews and interiors.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Did 'asteroid stations' ( therefore 'asteroid belts' )

The original asteroid station model was definitely in-game by April 2017. I can't remember if it was added in 2.2 or 2.3 but either way it predates the Codex by a year or two. Some of the hand-placed asteroid stations are not inside either a belt or a ring.

The asteroid belts themselves (and planetary rings) were in the game from the pre-release Betas (and maybe even the first Alpha previews)

Were 'megaships' like there in that ^ my screenshot introduced into the game before or after RAXXLA codex entry?

Megaships and installations (I think from the name that's an installation rather than a megaship in your screenshot) were both added in 2.3 as well.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Edit
Moved my complaint about the launcher report of server status to the Dev post on today's update
But not expecting a satisfactory response

 

[SHEA PARDH]

So randomly I've ran across Rochester's old separate thread. That's a nice recap of the timeline of various additions and changes and one thing stood out for me was the mention of the Omphalos Infotech. That got me thinking for a second and here is my hypothesis below.

Have you ever wondered how is it that we know precise location and characterstics of every star in the galaxy? You can go to GalMap and click on any system, whether it's been visited or not, and aside from Y-class planet-stars which behave inconsistently, the rest of the star info is 100% there, and we know precise locations and classes.

Sure we have today star catalogues. The margin of error on them though is relatively large, they are nowhere near as complete. So, in ED universe, somehow between IRL today and ingame today, i.e. last 1280 years, mankind acquired access to this knowledge - precise starmap of the entire galaxy, including things that are unobservable directly like zones beyond the galactic center, things in and behind nebulas, etc.

Perhaps rather than a "portal", Omphalos Rift is a sort of "crystal ball" where we can "see" the entire galaxy and at least enumerate all stars in it. FSD doesn't do that by itself. FSD got invented, and of course what you can see nearby you can visit. But to acquire the complete map that we have in the game today, you need something else.

And Raxxla is the ingame place that happens to have this "crystal ball" artifact. I think it's a concrete location, since the codex strongly suggests that.

I don't know if that really helps us find it, but knowing what to look for may actually help. This story would imply a few things:

1. It's not necessarily in the bubble. It's not a given it was known during early days of space travel.
2. It's probably not TOO far away, but could easily by thousands of LYs. Galmap predates FSD according to lore, but it postdates hyperdrive by 700 years or so. Before FSD, the jump ranges were so short, it was all basically in "visual observation" range for each jump (i.e. go to that "top-left star over there" type of thing), but for a few hundred years before galmap we had near instant jump capability of several LY so a trip to the opposite end of the galaxy was possible. It also means it wouldn't have been in someplace that requires 100LY jump range. Caveat: generation ships were a thing, one of them could have run into this (or even was explicitly sent there) - nothing says it had to be accessed via a hyperspace jump, so if it was known, and superpowers were bent enough on getting there, it would have been arranged.
3. It's probably under control of Universal Cartographics (or was at least), and by proxy of the three superpowers (or at least was, but it's been a few hundred years already and a few wars, so now it could be anyone, or even lost).
4. It could be in an inhabited system, in fact possibly high-sec.
5. FSD was based on Thargoid tech, it's entirely possible Omphalos Rift is something also related to Thargoid tech. It's unlikely it's something based on Guardian tech since we barely understand anything about Guardian tech. Caveat: Thargoids live in a "parallel universe" - their map isn't necessarily what we want for everyday use.

The last bit connects to the fact that we've found a Thargoid "map room" of sorts. Does it mean we found Omphalos Rift and Raxxla? Or did we find "one of them" later while someone found a different one, perhaps a better one, before that?

Edit: reference to "Omphalos Infotech" in this thread:

The Quest To Find Raxxla

That’s certainly interesting, could the capitalisation be referring to the star types, with C being Carbon stars, N being Non sequence, and would the W be white dwarf or wolf-rayet? Could it be the “Journey every player has to travel for themselves” that Brookes alluded to during his lore...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[Tifu]

Perhaps rather than a "portal", Omphalos Rift is a sort of "crystal ball" where we can "see" the entire galaxy and at least enumerate all stars in it. FSD doesn't do that by itself. FSD got invented, and of course what you can see nearby you can visit. But to acquire the complete map that we have in the game today, you need something else.

And Raxxla is the ingame place that happens to have this "crystal ball" artifact. I think it's a concrete location, since the codex strongly suggests that.

I like this idea very much, it makes sense that this kind of knowledge is something organizations would kill for. And thinking of the Thargoid map rooms, I wonder if Raaxla is a much more powerful version of those - a sort of galactic map supercomputer of sorts. It's even possible it could be accessed remotely using some sort of device. So, the TDW losing that device or key would be equivalent to their "losing" Raaxla.

Now that the Trailblazer colonization push is strewing stations everywhere on the Bubble's periphery and beyond, this seems to me the perfect time to look for clues. But we need to decipher the Codex for that effort to have a chance ow working given this new perspective on what Raaxla actually is.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Edit: so left is Merope, and right is COL 70 FY-N c21-3 according to this thread (which is permit locked since it's COL 70).

Thargoid Map Theory

bump Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent... ... has any progress been made on this one? It's all been solved a long time ago. The "bottom" grid planet is the "source" where you put a probe, sensor and link into a thargoid machine and get two or three unknown messages...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Speaking of Thargoids, do we know which specific two systems are in the maproom signal (Edit: left is Merope, but what is right?) (attached - extracted from

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylOQDL3C8VY
but I've seen copies of this around floating regardless).

 

[Ch3x]

Edit: so left is Merope, and right is COL 70 FY-N c21-3 according to this thread (which is permit locked since it's COL 70).

Thargoid Map Theory

bump Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent... ... has any progress been made on this one? It's all been solved a long time ago. The "bottom" grid planet is the "source" where you put a probe, sensor and link into a thargoid machine and get two or three unknown messages...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Speaking of Thargoids, do we know which specific two systems are in the maproom signal (Edit: left is Merope, but what is right?) (attached - extracted from

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylOQDL3C8VY
but I've seen copies of this around floating regardless).

I have probes, sensors, and links to activate some sites I think I'll go do that now that you mention it. I have done it once but I didn't triangulate the target system, as defined by Canon. I found two spreadsheets and I'm not sure which one is most recent. Additionally, I'd like to hear from some CMDRs that have found multiple back in like 2017 when this happened. Did the race to find more stop because they just target looped back to already found sites? Was hip22460 the last site of that kind in the route? Guess it doesn't hurt to go to the last system in that list and try to activate it and triangulate a new target.

UL destinations

docs.google.com

(TS) - Canonn - Thargoid Structures - Old Code: US

docs.google.com

 

[Reyedog]

I was more thinking The Dark Wheel Brewing Company - Raxxla Mocaccino Special

Edit: so left is Merope, and right is COL 70 FY-N c21-3 according to this thread (which is permit locked since it's COL 70).

Thargoid Map Theory

bump Since the topic came up today in another thread as a tangent... ... has any progress been made on this one? It's all been solved a long time ago. The "bottom" grid planet is the "source" where you put a probe, sensor and link into a thargoid machine and get two or three unknown messages...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Speaking of Thargoids, do we know which specific two systems are in the maproom signal (Edit: left is Merope, but what is right?) (attached - extracted from

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylOQDL3C8VY
but I've seen copies of this around floating regardless).

There was a old theory back when this was all added that there's a bridge of some sorts that connects merope and that sector of col 70 either by witchspace or by another means. Either way Thargoids use it to slingshot their selves across the galaxy with it. The Planet itself is also used like aThargoid gas station to refuel restock ect. The Surface site in delphi is used as a big beacon that directs traffic towards Merope. The maia blackhole is prob connected somehow to bendspace & time to travel to other galaxies.

Makes me wonder if by whatever means if its server side or not if a whitehole exist in elite.

 

[Jinx Chrome]

well we are suppose to get a new ship feature at the end of the year. I and many others are hoping maybe. this time. Hopefully. If they did that they would be attracting way more users.

In the stream, there was no statement at all about the new feature being a 'ship feature'! It could be also a rework of trade functionality or engineering.
As much as I hope that there's something for us explorers or being ship interiors, we should keep our expectations really low.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I was more thinking The Dark Wheel Brewing Company - Raxxla Mocaccino Special

There was a old theory back when this was all added that there's a bridge of some sorts that connects merope and that sector of col 70 either by witchspace or by another means. Either way Thargoids use it to slingshot their selves across the galaxy with it. The Planet itself is also used like aThargoid gas station to refuel restock ect. The Surface site in delphi is used as a big beacon that directs traffic towards Merope. The maia blackhole is prob connected somehow to bendspace & time to travel to other galaxies.

Makes me wonder if by whatever means if its server side or not if a whitehole exist in elite.

Was any of this ever actually substantiated in game by anything? Maia is not Merope, and it's hard to talk about anything in Col 70 with any confidence. Sure, there is a black hole at Maia, but there are a LOT of black holes in the galaxy. Nobody has ever found any special ones, besides the SMBH in the middle, so not sure why Maia would be special here. Thargoids harvest meta-alloys in Pleiades, but the barnacles are also in other places - as far as we can tell it's a matter of right conditions and proximity since I don't think we found barnacles outside of the handful of nebulas with known Thargoid "hot spots". Maybe there is something like "Thargoid Colonia" but nobody has run into it yet. I've certainly run into countless crashed probes all over the place, but they have never led to anything - it's more like "Thargoids were here" graffiti.

It could be interesting to collect the known systems with crashed probes and compare that to their map. They aren't exactly everywhere, maybe the map shows the systems they scouted.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I have probes, sensors, and links to activate some sites I think I'll go do that now that you mention it. I have done it once but I didn't triangulate the target system, as defined by Canon. I found two spreadsheets and I'm not sure which one is most recent. Additionally, I'd like to hear from some CMDRs that have found multiple back in like 2017 when this happened. Did the race to find more stop because they just target looped back to already found sites? Was hip22460 the last site of that kind in the route? Guess it doesn't hurt to go to the last system in that list and try to activate it and triangulate a new target.

UL destinations

docs.google.com

(TS) - Canonn - Thargoid Structures - Old Code: US

docs.google.com

From what I read, a lot of this got defunct / frozen after people figured things out. But now that the titans have been destroyed, it's probably worth checking what is going on there.

 

[Ch3x]

From what I read, a lot of this got defunct / frozen after people figured things out. But now that the titans have been destroyed, it's probably worth checking what is going on there.

Roger that. Going to attempt activation of the PLEIADES SECTOR DG-X C1-11 15 ly from HIP 22460. The spreadsheet says its not active.
Edit: Only 2 of the 3 doors open, hallway obstructed by debris. Spreadsheet is accurate and these sites haven't changed seemingly.

 

[Reyedog]

Was any of this ever actually substantiated in game by anything? Maia is not Merope, and it's hard to talk about anything in Col 70 with any confidence. Sure, there is a black hole at Maia, but there are a LOT of black holes in the galaxy. Nobody has ever found any special ones, besides the SMBH in the middle, so not sure why Maia would be special here. Thargoids harvest meta-alloys in Pleiades, but the barnacles are also in other places - as far as we can tell it's a matter of right conditions and proximity since I don't think we found barnacles outside of the handful of nebulas with known Thargoid "hot spots". Maybe there is something like "Thargoid Colonia" but nobody has run into it yet. I've certainly run into countless crashed probes all over the place, but they have never led to anything - it's more like "Thargoids were here" graffiti.

It could be interesting to collect the known systems with crashed probes and compare that to their map. They aren't exactly everywhere, maybe the map shows the systems they scouted.

No!. But Maia could be the bridge that combines the two by lens focusing. If the space station diagram is telling anything. It wants us to focus on something to make it appear. That's for sure. But what how and why none of us can find atm. Your crystal ball explaination is also prob part of that or there is a tiny galaxy out there confined to an orb or using a blackhole as a telescope to zoom in on a orbital celestial body. If anything it might be trying to show us how to combine Point A to Point B to make Point C That is A & B Combined which prob forms a wormhole asset cleverly assigned a blackhole poi and everyone is just flying by it like herpmah derps. I choose Maia because its part of 3 unique Thargoid Territories. Witchhead , Pleides, California that form a triangle tilted on its edge. I also find it odd that Palin's old engineering Base in Maia is still active with nobody home but the service robots running it. But Back to Maia. Using Maia's blackhole as a telescope I found Struve's Lost Nebula which I forgot was in the game cause it's so small of a nebula it rarely renders on the galmap it is not that far from the blackhole. So that's a thing. T Tauri/ Hind Nebula is interesting too as its not quite the center of the triangle but close enough with an interesting skybox. This Next one is interesting as it amplifies the crab nebula. Funny enough it has a space station named X. Could X mark the magic spot we been looking for? If you get the crab nebula oriented correctly and not by the galmap it almost looks like the spooky green space the thargoid portals show. It amuses me that Maia makes for a very good telescope in game. Unfortunately Due to recent events I am kinda focus around Polaris right now. So If I find anything interesting using maia again it'll prob be awhile. I am still cataloging Skybox constellation's too while by Polaris.

 

[Tifu]

Roger that. Going to attempt activation of the PLEIADES SECTOR DG-X C1-11 15 ly from HIP 22460. The spreadsheet says its not active.

That part of the neighborhood is sure getting crowded. There are several orbital and planetary construction sites active within 15ly of that site according to Inara. If something strange does happen, we'll know about it soon.

 

[Neestar]

Well we all want the [HIP 22460] moons unlocked. Originally it was just the moon with the Proteus on it. But someone figured out how to yeet themselves to the other moon since being in an srv to the planet negated the pushback barrier. They will be unlocked when fdev decides to unlock them. But yeah explore the rest of the system. There's a hidden base there that Azimuth once owned.

ok CMDR thanks i'll go check it out ASAP and i'm guessing this old thread is related--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-black-flight-mystery.588777/ ...?

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BTW everyone: Very interesting ( and further confusing ) post today from a certain particular player here--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ark-wheel-into-my-system.634745/post-10567311 in this apparent Dark Wheel query thread from within another section.