I know it's really the only true source we have about Raxxla now, but how is it that we know the Codex entry is a clue at all and not just a red herring?

It's kind of like TDW faction in Shin, would this deeply secretive group really advertise their map to their station? Or Raxxla, if that were the case?

Unless they needed independent, loose cannon CMDRs to find something, and maybe the riddle is the crucible for the worthy.
 
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I know it's really the only true source we have about Raxxla now, but how is it that we know the Codex entry is a clue at all and not just a red herring?

It's kind of like TDW faction in Shin, would this deeply secretive group really advertise their map to their station? Or Raxxla, if that were the case?

Unless they needed independent, loose cannon CMDRs to find something, and maybe the riddle is the crucible for the worthy.

It’s a ruse by the Club to distract determined explorers and mystery chasers from the real truth behind the Dynasty plot! ;)
 
I know it's really the only true source we have about Raxxla now, but how is it that we know the Codex entry is a clue at all and not just a red herring?

It's kind of like TDW faction in Shin, would this deeply secretive group really advertise their map to their station? Or Raxxla, if that were the case?

Unless they needed independent, loose cannon CMDRs to find something, and maybe the riddle is the crucible for the worthy.

From lore perspective and with some tinfoil-addition, it looks like that:

1. There are reasons to think that the pilot federation and universal carthographics are both under control of "The Club".
2. That would mean that what you see in CODEX is under control by them too.
3. There are reasons to belive that Raxxla is actively used by "The Club". Might be that Raxxla is a very reason why "The Club" is able to have so much power, with so little exposure.
4. The Real Dark Wheel is obviously trying to undermine "The Club", expose them, and thus are looking for ways to do it, including finding Raxxla, and also are looking for new members which would be considered "Worthy".
5. So what they do is somehow infiltrate Pilot Federation and Universal Carthographics during writing of a CODEX articles, and leave subtle keys on how to find them. Those who manage to do it with that info - join them in their search for Raxxla.
6. For now The Real Dark Wheel have not found Raxxla yet, but have more info on how to do it, and that info is gathered and presented on their "dark wheel station".

Well, at least that's a reasonable way to make it into the lore.
Doesn't mean it's 100% so.
 
Which I suppose, to correct myself, doesn't necessarily make it a canonnical event, just like the old "Humans transported to other galaxies" isn't confirmed in E D (is it?)

Edit: That one: Alien World. I got my sources on this one, chief. The ORIGINAL mention of Raxxla, the lizardoid Raxxlans, their wars, and Point-to-Point travel.

Edit (Again): And good luck obtaining the books. As far as I know frontier stopped selling the old lore, and on Amazon copies sell for $100 or more. If anyone can find me the books for a reasonable price I'll directly source clues.
Ah, ok, I see. Yeah, The Alien World isn’t part of Elite lore. (And AFAIK, it’s never been connected with Frontier.)

Even the actual documents from the original Elite aren’t canon for ED. For example, there are many active spacefaring species in that, in comparison to the 2 (possibly 3) that we have in ED. On the other hand, some things have been confirmed/corroborated for ED.

So there’s two things for TAW, what did Holdstock carry over from it into his concept of Raxxla for the original The Dark Wheel novella, and what, if any, of that has been carried over into ED.

There was also Braben’s comment in one of the livestreams where he said ‘What a silly question, of course it is. But you don’t know what it is.’ in response to questions about whether Raxxla was in game. (A tiny bit of paraphrasing there and there was debate at the time over whether the second part was a reference to Raxxla itself, or whether it was a reference to an interjection by Ed about being able to predict in advance that some questions will come up.)

Also, isn’t the Oisir-Raxxla the name of (one of) the species in TAW, as opposed to Raxxla being a planet as it’s supposed to be according to The Dark Wheel?

Anyway, none of that’s to say that TAW is definitely not a potential source of clues, just that none of it can be treated as things we actually know about Raxxla in Elite Dangerous unless it corroborated by an official source.

Oh, and on the Galactic Hyperdrive stuff (assuming you’re meaning the ones from the original Elite), we don’t really know. There’s nothing canon saying they existed, and there’s also been suggestions that they were never intergalactic anyway, and just medium to long distance intragalactic. The collapse of the Galactic Co-operative of Worlds and the loss of Quirium FTL drives is canon though, and the Galactic Hyperdrives (if they existed) were from the same tech-set, so there’s no telling what the situation really is. There’s lots of Permit Locked areas out there...
 
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The Club is Drew's creation, if I am not wrong.
Then I seriously doubt it is related in any way to Raxxla.
I even would say we'll never hear of it again.
 
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Identifiers from different Star Cartalogues are used in Elite Dangerous (e.g. HIP, HD, HR, UBV etc.). You may search for different Identifiers of a star by SIMBAD Astronomical Database.

http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/

E.g. if you are looking for zeta cassiopaie http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=zeta+cassiopeiae&submit=SIMBAD+search
you will see that for example its Identifier at the HIP -Catalogue is: HIP 2920

Thanks, that's perfect, I'll use this to dig up those unnamed stars although I'm not elite on anything yet so not sure what Raxxla secrets I'll find of any at this stage.
 
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Scytale

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Ok, but knowing (a little bit) Drew... Not sure he would have accepted someone telling him what to write.
Which is not the same thing than accepting off-limits and border lines (Raxxla, Thargs and antigravity).

Btw... Where are Raan, Luko and C° ? And The Club ?

EDIT: right , Comandante ! FD's idea ! A guidance for Premonition script ? Or will it have further developpements ?
 
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Which I suppose, to correct myself, doesn't necessarily make it a canonnical event, just like the old "Humans transported to other galaxies" isn't confirmed in E D (is it?)

Edit: That one: Alien World. I got my sources on this one, chief. The ORIGINAL mention of Raxxla, the lizardoid Raxxlans, their wars, and Point-to-Point travel.

Edit (Again): And good luck obtaining the books. As far as I know frontier stopped selling the old lore, and on Amazon copies sell for $100 or more. If anyone can find me the books for a reasonable price I'll directly source clues.

Which book do you need?

TDW can be read in full here, http://www.elitehomepage.org/dkwheel.htm
 
The Club is Drew's creation, if I am not wrong.
Then I seriously doubt it is related in any way to Raxxla.
I even would say we'll never hear of it again.

Drew has confirmed that the Club is an inhouse creation from FD.
I’m not sure they know any more of Raxxla, than we do. They do fit the ‘sinister cabal’ description though.
 
I know it's really the only true source we have about Raxxla now, but how is it that we know the Codex entry is a clue at all and not just a red herring?

It's kind of like TDW faction in Shin, would this deeply secretive group really advertise their map to their station? Or Raxxla, if that were the case?

Unless they needed independent, loose cannon CMDRs to find something, and maybe the riddle is the crucible for the worthy.

I've come to believe that the Dark Wheel group in the Shinrarta Dezhra system is indeed the actual Dark Wheel, and I believe the first paragraph of the Dark Wheel Codex entry lends evidence to this assertion.

"Oh, they're out there alright. I've never met them, but I know they're out there. Think about
how well known the stories are. Now think about how easy it would be for some two-bit
band of hucksters to pass themselves off as the Dark Wheel and start trading on their
reputation. Doesn't happen, does it? Not for long, anyway. Whenever someone tries to
usurp the Dark Wheel name, sooner or later they get quietly shut down. And that's how I
know"

- Felicy Farseer, explorer

Simply put, if the Dark Wheel organization present in the Shinrarta Dezhra system was not the actual Dark Wheel, then the true Dark Wheel would have shut them down long ago. Even if the Dark Wheel lets them operate only to serve as a front or a ruse, I believe that the search for Raxxla will start with them, as Frontier has stated that they do have to make it "a tiny bit obvious" and nothing is more obvious than having a group calling themselves the Dark Wheel out in the open.
 
Drew has confirmed that the Club is an inhouse creation from FD.
I’m not sure they know any more of Raxxla, than we do. They do fit the ‘sinister cabal’ description though.
Well, considering CODEX gives us that rumor and "The Club" perfectly fits - for the time being we can assume that they indeed found it and use it for their own good.
 
Still wondering what’s Guru doing. He still hasn’t posted any proof or apology, do you think he’s trolling (or trolled) us?
 
Well, considering CODEX gives us that rumor and "The Club" perfectly fits - for the time being we can assume that they indeed found it and use it for their own good.

You're not the only one speaking of The club linked to Raxxla, the Thargoids and col 70 sector. I just found an old galnet news that link all together when looking at the formidine rift mystery and Salomé.

Galactic News: Message Received from Col 70 Sector

08 APR 3303

A weak signal from the Col 70 Sector has been detected by listening posts in both Federal and Imperial space.

The message is incomplete, but it appears to pertain to some kind of rally point. Meanwhile, Federal and Imperial intelligence services have confirmed that thousands of covert and coded messages have recently been transmitted in the vicinity of the Col 70 Sector.

"Something is going out on out there," said an unidentified member of the Imperial intelligence community. "We think it could be...her."

A bounty has been issued for Commanders Salomé, Tsu Annabelle Singh and Raan Corsen, but with all three fugitives still at large, the Empire has increased the bounties to five million for Salomé and two million apiece for Singh and Corsen. An Imperial spokesperson reiterated that pilots should not attempt to communicate with these individuals, and should shoot on sight.

Imperial intelligence services have also placed a bounty on one Commander Yuri Nakamura, referred to as 'Conformist Oboe XX' in an intelligence briefing given to the media. A two-million-credit bounty has been placed on Commander Nakamura.
 
You're not the only one speaking of The club linked to Raxxla, the Thargoids and col 70 sector. I just found an old galnet news that link all together when looking at the formidine rift mystery and Salomé.

Just Thargoids. No Raxxla. This incident is described in Premonition.
 
Well, considering CODEX gives us that rumor and "The Club" perfectly fits - for the time being we can assume that they indeed found it and use it for their own good.
I don't think we can. There's no indications of The Club having anything akin to what Raxxla is rumoured to be. They're powerful individuals who are manipulating events from positions of influence, but they appear to be having to rely on that as opposed to having access to anything beyond the normal human means.

I've always viewed the people on Raxxla - the Elite Corp of Powerful, Twisted Men (& Women, etc.) - as a different group to The Club.

Always possible there's some crossover though. Exo would be a good candidate for one of the former who's also in the latter IMHO.
 
Ok, but knowing (a little bit) Drew... Not sure he would have accepted someone telling him what to write.
Which is not the same thing than accepting off-limits and border lines (Raxxla, Thargs and antigravity).

Btw... Where are Raan, Luko and C° ? And The Club ?

EDIT: right , Comandante ! FD's idea ! A guidance for Premonition script ? Or will it have further developpements ?
Well, I guess it depends on what constitutes telling him what to write. I don't know how far FD would go with it in terms of microdetails, but AFAIK they asked Drew to write Premonition as the story of what had been going on within the ED universe, so where they've had particular storylines going on (or if they've been taking a certain approach to GMing, for want of a better term), I don't really see what choice there would be but to give Drew various things that had to be built in as part of it.

For the characters, from what I remember:

- Luko's dead
- Raan and Co are in Colonia (no idea if that's still the case, obviously)
- The Club are still doing their stuff

The Club are people who have featured in Galnet, and aren't Drew's creations that only feature in Reclamation of Premonition.

My latest set of guesses are:

Society - Edmund Mahon
Personnel - Zemina Torval
Finance - Ana Quin
Exo - Sirius Hyperdrive Marketing Manager (Name unclear)
Infrastructure - Anders Blaine.
Different to CoRs guesses but I'm sticking with mine for the moment.

No idea in terms of future developments I'm afraid. For all that happened, The Club and all the things in Premonition are just part of things in a big galaxy, with many many people and a long history. Other groups and individuals activities may be coming more to the fore. Who knows.
 

Scytale

Banned
Raxxla and/or TDW in hands of the Bilderberg Club ?
Would be so boring....
Just like IRL...
I hope for the sake of what is left of this game that TDW is a truly clandestine and subversive organisation, if ever they care about the Bubble at all...
 
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Has anyone looked at dates in the game and compared them to real life. Now that this game has a real time date we can compare anything in the games history.

For instance: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Cooperative

First conflict with the thargoids in 3125. if it's 3305 then: 3305-3125=180. 2019-180=1839. What if anything happened in 1839 that would make sense. Since this game is british I would assume it's something from their perspective potentially. So, what is notable to the british from 1839? If not what else happened in 1839 that might equal the thargoids? https://www.hisdates.com/years/1839-historical-events.html

The same thing can be done with the disbanding of the galcop charter: 3305-3174=131. 2019-131=1888. What if anything collapsed in 1888? https://www.hisdates.com/years/1888-historical-events.html

3305-2498=807. 2019-807=1212?! https://www.hisdates.com/years/1212-historical-events.html


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1839 Jan 09 Thomas Henderson measures first stellar parallax (Alpha Centauri) on this day in history.
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Stuff in game dates like this also line up to potentially important astrological related history conveniently.

Jan 10
Tea from India 1st arrives in UK on this day in history.
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Or do the thargoids represent tea i some manner... Maybe they equate to a real life thing related to tea coming to england?! What type of tea came to england at that point. Or what is the significance of Indian tea?

Or are the thargoids the british? Jan 19 In the year 1839 aden conquered by British East India Company
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Aug 23
On this day in history hong Kong is taken by British in war with China.
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Sep 05
In the year 1839 the First Opium War begins in China.
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Nov 03
First opium war-2 British frigates engage several Chinese junks on this day in history.
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