Omphalos rift.. or witchspace flux? Drew Wagar's description of the place somehow has similar feeling to it as do Guardian sites.
 
Ah thanks J, I’d forgotten Premonition, and don’t remember that revelation at all. Must read the books again. Want my young clone Tyko to revisit these mysteries, after he’s got his ships engineered.

Mmm, being pedantic how do we know that woman talking about TDW was Rebecca? I always thought she was Alessia Verdi, especially since it was hinted somewhere she was Luko’s daughter and Luko may have been TDW. If Salomé was involved in TDW then he probably inducted her.

[edit: just checked in Premonition. The spiky-haired woman was aboard Rebecca’s ship, the old cobra “Cor Meum Et Animam” at Tionisla graveyard but so was Rebecca-the old lady Salomé had met in the hospital. So the spiky-haired woman is in TDW, not (necessarily) Rebecca. Since she was clearly associated with Rebecca I assumed she was another clone?]

You could be right in that the reptilian creature on the medallion is representative of the original Raxxlans, but I thought it was fan fiction with no basis in lore? Didn’t someone own up to being the designer? If it was DW then I could be convinced that it’s related, but I still think TDW lost (according to AHTW never had?) the location of Raxxla, so the Codex TDW toast is far more likely to lead to their hidden base station, and not to Raxxla.

and since we’re considering lore then as TDW’s symbol is a wyvern or a dragon surrounding the Elite symbol which I believe someone said is a griffin. Anyone know any lore about that combination of mythical beasts?

@Scytalle- are you sure the psychoninjapenguin actually left? You never know where ninjas are!

I think the reptilians have to do with raxxla predating elite dangerous. It's the original version from outside the game from some fantasy/sci fi art book going over the concept that I think raxxla in game is a tribute or something too.

The Dark Wheel image on page 1...



... looks like a ship, not a station. Compare to this, recently posted images of generation ship Odysseus, orbiting Ross 859 B 1. The thickness of the Dark Wheel "station" ring and structure elements look like the last ring of the ship. And even the star looks similar.

That ship is also the only ship I have seen with 6 spokes instead of 5. Just like the raxxla image. All of the raxxla images relate to station interiors or the system map. This is the first new object that I have seen that also has similarities. Does it have a station access front, Potentially a closed one. That would fit the raxxla symbol perfectly.

If generation ships all have 6 spokes then that makes generation ships a big target in the raxxla hunt. If not this one should be considered a potential suspect.
 
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Amphitheater

(from the 1st purged *lore* book :cool: )

This is wrong btw, number of pylon-like things around the circle does not match. Like the original one: [url]https://i.imgur.com/Xku7Hsi.png[/URL]


Also, that's how an amphitheater looks like:

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The Odysseus ship definitely has the 6 bars and 3 outer lines in the raxxla image. One of the bars is behind the center pylon. It has the same 3 partial circles like in the system map reticule... I think this is a fairly good match for the raxxla image. and Odysseus fits the greek names and stuff.

The middle bigger circles are cut in 6. The outer ones in 3. Both with the 3 partial circles. And manh parts of it look like the circle with a dot. The whole front does. Where is this ship supposed to going. And do other gen ships look like this?

Edit: If you turn off flight assist near the odysseus you start to get pulled towared the middle of the planets. I think it has a gravity well. I can't get to the front of the ship to take a pic directly at the nose because of this. That or they have a tractor beam on the ship to push me away. I'm at 2x my max speed and climbing going towards the center of gravity between the planets. I wonder if it can use this to sling shot back to higher speeds. It also seems you don't go above 500 when being pulled by gravity. Or at least not at this location. I wonder if anyone went down to one of the planets. They are both landable. Maybe there is info there. I wonder if any tried to leave and if they had any ships that can get out of that gravity well. they may have been sucked down to one of those planets.

BTW, the back of this thing make sit look like the ship that KSP built. STacking and all.
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The Odysseus ship definitely has the 6 bars and 3 outer lines in the raxxla image. One of the bars is behind the center pylon. It has the same 3 partial circles like in the system map reticule... I think this is a fairly good match for the raxxla image. and Odysseus fits the greek names and stuff.

The middle bigger circles are cut in 6. The outer ones in 3. Both with the 3 partial circles. And manh parts of it look like the circle with a dot. The whole front does. Where is this ship supposed to going. And do other gen ships look like this?

Edit: If you turn off flight assist near the odysseus you start to get pulled towared the middle of the planets. I think it has a gravity well. I can't get to the front of the ship to take a pic directly at the nose because of this. That or they have a tractor beam on the ship to push me away. I'm at 2x my max speed and climbing going towards the center of gravity between the planets. I wonder if it can use this to sling shot back to higher speeds. It also seems you don't go above 500 when being pulled by gravity. Or at least not at this location.

BTW, the back of this thing make sit look like the ship that KSP built. STacking and all.

Intriguing though I don't think it's related. But leave no stone unturned, right? Can you post better pictures of it as an imgur album if you're near the site? From different angles like, front, back, from any side etc.
 
I already left. And it's hard to get pics. Someone may need to go with a more nimble ship. The gravity well from those planets is pulling you even when next to the gen ship. (I have a low thrust high jump range anaconda.)

I let the gravity well pull me till I was like 200KM+ away from the gen ship(turn gravity assist off and it will start to pull you.). I wonder where it takes you in the end. It only goes a max of 500m/s though. so, it may take a long time for it to finish pulling you. someone would have to leave a ship adrift for a good part of a day or more. to find out. Preferably a cheap one just in case. Maybe it would lead you to something. I don't have the tools to do it atm.

Either no body left the gen ship.

They left and the gravity well overtook them.

They had sufficient thrust to get away and could be in any of the many landable planets in the system. Assuming those messages were take while in the system.

I wonder what type of ships they have and how much thrust. Do we know the escape pod or other ship data from gen ships?
 
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Can you post better pictures of it as an imgur album if you're near the site? From different angles like, front, back, from any side etc.

Imgur Album.

Image 1 shows how close the two planets (Ross 859 B 1,2) are to each other and to the star. The ship orbits planet 1, and in theory it would be possible to get planet 2 between the ship and the star, similar to the Dark Wheel shot, but unfortunately the ship's engines seem to always point towards planet 1, and it's impossible to get just the engine section and planet 2 pointing at the star, without the close surface of planet 1 showing.

The ship is within the orbital flight radius of planet 1 (orbital flight UI activates). Best way to take screenshots is to set your ship horizontal to the surface of planet 1 (hover mode), and then fly around with the camera. Ross 859 B 1 is a 1g world, so trying to fly your ship around to take screenshots is as difficult as landing on a high-g world.

EDIT: There are multiple other images of it; Canonn has some, the wiki has a 360 movie with the logs as sound, and I've seen a couple youtube videos.
 
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Ah thanks J, I’d forgotten Premonition, and don’t remember that revelation at all. Must read the books again. Want my young clone Tyko to revisit these mysteries, after he’s got his ships engineered.

Mmm, being pedantic how do we know that woman talking about TDW was Rebecca? I always thought she was Alessia Verdi, especially since it was hinted somewhere she was Luko’s daughter and Luko may have been TDW. If Salomé was involved in TDW then he probably inducted her.

[edit: just checked in Premonition. The spiky-haired woman was aboard Rebecca’s ship, the old cobra “Cor Meum Et Animam” at Tionisla graveyard but so was Rebecca-the old lady Salomé had met in the hospital. So the spiky-haired woman is in TDW, not (necessarily) Rebecca. Since she was clearly associated with Rebecca I assumed she was another clone?]

You could be right in that the reptilian creature on the medallion is representative of the original Raxxlans, but I thought it was fan fiction with no basis in lore? Didn’t someone own up to being the designer? If it was DW then I could be convinced that it’s related, but I still think TDW lost (according to AHTW never had?) the location of Raxxla, so the Codex TDW toast is far more likely to lead to their hidden base station, and not to Raxxla.

and since we’re considering lore then as TDW’s symbol is a wyvern or a dragon surrounding the Elite symbol which I believe someone said is a griffin. Anyone know any lore about that combination of mythical beasts?

@Scytalle- are you sure the psychoninjapenguin actually left? You never know where ninjas are!

The spiky-haired woman is almost certainly intended to be Elyssia Fields from the original Dark Wheel novella.

The Dark Wheel medallion is canon. It was mentioned in Galnet and appears in Premonition. The description of the medallion in Premonition matches the fan-fiction image that has been circulating about for years. I assume that Drew had that graphic in front of him while he was writing the description so it is safe to assume that the graphic itself is, for all intents and purposes, nearly canon itself.

As for whether the woman talking is Alessia Verdi or Rebecca ... I've always assumed Rebecca. The description seems to match. It can't have been Alessia Verdi though. The opening lines from the Children of Raxxla short story preclude that possibility. Alessia introduces herself and goes on to say that the events in the story occurred before she got involved with The Children of Raxxla:

"I am Alessia Verdi. You won't have heard of me. That does not matter. I am not very important in this tale, though I had my part to play in what happened.

I did not meet all of the people mentioned here. This occured before I was involved."
 
IF the central circle of the Raxxla icon is Sol

How to interpret the rest of the drawing ?

And about Hermes, he also gave his magic shoes to Perseus (as asked by Athena) who then could fly to save Andromeda.
What a mess... But more stuff in the line of Mercury and the witchspace.

In alchemy this is the symbol for gold.
 
Imgur Album.

Image 1 shows how close the two planets (Ross 859 B 1,2) are to each other and to the star. The ship orbits planet 1, and in theory it would be possible to get planet 2 between the ship and the star, similar to the Dark Wheel shot, but unfortunately the ship's engines seem to always point towards planet 1, and it's impossible to get just the engine section and planet 2 pointing at the star, without the close surface of planet 1 showing.

The ship is within the orbital flight radius of planet 1 (orbital flight UI activates). Best way to take screenshots is to set your ship horizontal to the surface of planet 1 (hover mode), and then fly around with the camera. Ross 859 B 1 is a 1g world, so trying to fly your ship around to take screenshots is as difficult as landing on a high-g world.

EDIT: There are multiple other images of it; Canonn has some, the wiki has a 360 movie with the logs as sound, and I've seen a couple youtube videos.

Out of curiosity when you went there did you try turning off your engines and seeing where it took you? The grav well was strong enough in my anaconda to pull me until I went 500m/s and seemingly floated to towards the middle of the two planets.

And I thought of something interesting. Probably been said before, but a place that is not a place from game terms could be an asteroid belt.(Are the asteroids from the asteroid belt in sol missing btw?!) Some stuff says it's not in game. I wonder if you just have to manually find it. 8)

And the alchemy gold symbol thing is interesting. I saw something that referenced gold but can't remember. Raxxla could easily be related to the philosophers stone.

And early I mentioned another thing near tionisla or something. It was the beacon about the partially decripted message and the thing about a women riding a giraffe. Has anyone fit that into the sonnets or found anything that could be referencing?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...us_transmission_partially_decoded_galnet_101/

I have to finish scanning sol(just got the permit) and go out to KM Cassiopiea and scan that large star cluster finally. And visit a certain large red exploded star on the way. Not to mention the hot dogs near orion, california, and barnards nebula. Did anyone realize there is a stream of 2mass comming out of barnards nebula like how they go through orions nebula?

I'm assuming this is a glitch, but Jupiter when targeted tries to scan it over and over again..

Edit: Does anyone realise we have the power to control all factions fundamentally and hence all politics in the game... It's just kind of dawning on me. We can determine any factions influence.
 
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And early I mentioned another thing near tionisla or something. It was the beacon about the partially decripted message and the thing about a women riding a giraffe. Has anyone fit that into the sonnets or found anything that could be referencing?

That is entirely related to The Formidine Rift and was used to direct player's attention to the EAFOTS sector. It was in Galnet.

[video=youtube_share;qFBl4UuJOjc]https://youtu.be/qFBl4UuJOjc[/video]
 
I was watching that video and then watched this video:

Did it dawn on anyone we are potentially in such a situation where an exodus could become needed.

Another idea. Is FD releasing content solely on when and how we discover stuff in game or is it just based on other criteria?! People figured out formadine and then eventually get get megaships released and now bigger similar ships. Maybe we have to figure out puzzles to get other content or something odd. Did anything happen that might make the guardian or thargoids make sense from a player driven perspective. I'm assuming that might just be them appearing as the games main antagonist. Although it could be either or both.

It mentions them needing waypoint and a conspiracy. What if all the mega ships and other gen ships are the same thing. It said something about zones. What does it look like when you look at the locations of all known gen ships. Especailly the ones with dead crew. Maybe the placement is a part of something. Could go to raxxla or other deeper activity. It's blatantly pointing to something like that. Is the formadine ship that different from the gen ships?

[video=youtube;aeJr5gf1_4s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeJr5gf1_4s[/video]
 
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For what it‘s worth: A few days ago I was experimenting a bit with the Raxxla symbol.

Due to its hexagonal shape it is possible to draw six sided stars a.k.a. Star of David or Solomons Seal into both Hexagons. The result adds some kind of 3 dimensional effect to the symbol making it look like a six sided tube sealed at both ends with the six pointed star.

Now King Solomon was said to have controlled demons using his seal. This made me think the 3 dimensional construction could symbolize a sealed container making me further think of Pandoras box.

There are no Pandora Systems on EDSM. I found only Pandemonium and Pandra. I then remembered CMDR Guru‘s advice about Wiki and Google and googled the Stations in those systems. The stations in Pandemonium are named after a German Theologist, a Japanese Astronomer, „Siddha“ which may be short for Siddharta and finally with „Zaschka“ a German last name that only means someone from Zatschke a place in Germany somewhere near nowhere.

The Stations in Pandra are all named after scientists. So guess this leads nowhere, but I‘m not willing to give up on my Pandora theory. One of course could look up systems with names relating to king Solomon like Zion or Moria/Morea.

Another thought: The Solomon part takes me back to Ishtar and Tammuz. Here is why: In Masonry at a certain degree the legend of the murder of Hiram Abiff is being told. As it is historically obscure who this Hiram might have been (several are mentioned concerning the construction of the temple of Solomon) and there is no mention of that particular myth in the holy book JSM Ward tried to find out who this particular Hiram might have been (JSM Ward: Who was Hiram Abiff - I own a copy of it). He deduced it could have been the father of Hiram of Tyrus (he sent builders and materials to Solomon) who got sacrificed to make the temple to stand strong. He also analyzed some of the Visions of Henoch deducing that there might have been lower chamber beneath the temple of Solomon where Astarte and Tammuz were shipped.

So this is longish and I have no idea where it might lead if anywhere. I just wanted to let you take part on my thoughts.

Edit: The masonic myth is basically about the loss of the Tetragrammaton, which ist the word of creation. Dan Browns novel „The lost Symbol“ covers this at least a bit. And for those afraid: This is not spilling the arcane. There are several BBC documentaries that exactly tell the story of Hiram Abiff. I have been btw to „Hirams Rest“ in Shibboleth and found nothing special.

Hiram’s rest is named after Drew’s late father.

Other than that, I see life creation as a possible central element.
The Raxxla myth, the Mars relic and the terraformation of Mars are very close in time.

Perhaps the relic or Raxxla contains evidence that Earth was also terraformed, a few billion years ago?
 
The spiky-haired woman is almost certainly intended to be Elyssia Fields from the original Dark Wheel novella.

The Dark Wheel medallion is canon. It was mentioned in Galnet and appears in Premonition. The description of the medallion in Premonition matches the fan-fiction image that has been circulating about for years. I assume that Drew had that graphic in front of him while he was writing the description so it is safe to assume that the graphic itself is, for all intents and purposes, nearly canon itself.

As for whether the woman talking is Alessia Verdi or Rebecca ... I've always assumed Rebecca. The description seems to match. It can't have been Alessia Verdi though. The opening lines from the Children of Raxxla short story preclude that possibility. Alessia introduces herself and goes on to say that the events in the story occurred before she got involved with The Children of Raxxla:

"I am Alessia Verdi. You won't have heard of me. That does not matter. I am not very important in this tale, though I had my part to play in what happened.

I did not meet all of the people mentioned here. This occured before I was involved."

In Premonition in the holofac vid played at Salomé’s trial it is the spiky-haired woman, not Rebecca, who represented TDW and was talking to Thorn & Lestenio. Might be Elyssia Fields but thought she would have been dead by this time since she was in the original novella. Doesn’t preclude Rebecca being a member of TDW but is not evidence of that. Need to find a description of Elyssia’s hairstyle. Any other named character with spiky hair?

I interpreted the books as Rebecca was a part of the Club. It could have been that the Club and TDW were associated in the Dynasty plot since I think DW said they were often antagonistic to each other, which implies occasionally they are not and may work together at times. Don’t know, rambling, awakened too early by restless pets, need more coffee.....
 
Out of curiosity when you went there did you try turning off your engines and seeing where it took you? The grav well was strong enough in my anaconda to pull me until I went 500m/s and seemingly floated to towards the middle of the two planets.

And I thought of something interesting. Probably been said before, but a place that is not a place from game terms could be an asteroid belt.(Are the asteroids from the asteroid belt in sol missing btw?!) Some stuff says it's not in game. I wonder if you just have to manually find it. 8)

And the alchemy gold symbol thing is interesting. I saw something that referenced gold but can't remember. Raxxla could easily be related to the philosophers stone.

And early I mentioned another thing near tionisla or something. It was the beacon about the partially decripted message and the thing about a women riding a giraffe. Has anyone fit that into the sonnets or found anything that could be referencing?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...us_transmission_partially_decoded_galnet_101/

I have to finish scanning sol(just got the permit) and go out to KM Cassiopiea and scan that large star cluster finally. And visit a certain large red exploded star on the way. Not to mention the hot dogs near orion, california, and barnards nebula. Did anyone realize there is a stream of 2mass comming out of barnards nebula like how they go through orions nebula?

I'm assuming this is a glitch, but Jupiter when targeted tries to scan it over and over again..

Edit: Does anyone realise we have the power to control all factions fundamentally and hence all politics in the game... It's just kind of dawning on me. We can determine any factions influence.

When I first visited Sol the asteroid belt was in the wrong place according to RL. Seem to remember the system map showed it correctly but it was wrong according to nav panel in-game & I reported it to FD. Didn’t visit.
 
In Premonition in the holofac vid played at Salomé’s trial it is the spiky-haired woman, not Rebecca, who represented TDW and was talking to Thorn & Lestenio.
You know what? I hadn't noticed that. I guess when I read Premonition I must have skimmed over that since I was so familiar with the short-story version. Thanks!

Might be Elyssia Fields but thought she would have been dead by this time since she was in the original novella.
Elyssia was a clone. I think the best explanation is that the spikey-haired woman is a subsequent clone.

Doesn’t preclude Rebecca being a member of TDW but is not evidence of that. Need to find a description of Elyssia’s hairstyle. Any other named character with spiky hair?
Given that Rebecca was not the person talking to Thorn & Lestenio, I agree.

I interpreted the books as Rebecca was a part of the Club. It could have been that the Club and TDW were associated in the Dynasty plot since I think DW said they were often antagonistic to each other, which implies occasionally they are not and may work together at times. Don’t know, rambling, awakened too early by restless pets, need more coffee.....
Rebecca was definitely employed by The Club at one point. I think she was more of a tool not a member.
 
I was watching that video and then watched this video:

Did it dawn on anyone we are potentially in such a situation where an exodus could become needed.

Another idea. Is FD releasing content solely on when and how we discover stuff in game or is it just based on other criteria?! People figured out formadine and then eventually get get megaships released and now bigger similar ships. Maybe we have to figure out puzzles to get other content or something odd. Did anything happen that might make the guardian or thargoids make sense from a player driven perspective. I'm assuming that might just be them appearing as the games main antagonist. Although it could be either or both.

It mentions them needing waypoint and a conspiracy. What if all the mega ships and other gen ships are the same thing. It said something about zones. What does it look like when you look at the locations of all known gen ships. Especailly the ones with dead crew. Maybe the placement is a part of something. Could go to raxxla or other deeper activity. It's blatantly pointing to something like that. Is the formadine ship that different from the gen ships?

This is all about the Dynasty plot which was the FRift mystery. That is DW’s storyline and he has said he knows nothing whatsoever about Raxxla.

I think the timing of FD operations involve both aspects, and is also affected by the player base by various CG results. FD have their planned timeline, but have had to alter it to cater for player actions & inactions/failure to find things; seem to remember MB explicitly said as much. It was clear that the FRift storyline was hurried at the end, I think to the point that DW had to invent a signal that was detected by the Hamsters that led to the location of Zurara because the FRift search hadn’t found her. The giraffe clue was also an additinal hint. I think this was because the failure to find Zurara and release the details of the Dynasty plot was holding up the thargoid storyline which was FD’s own & they were getting impatient.

Zurara was originally a derelict anaconda. DW said FD upgraded her to a megaship when those were introduced, presumably to make it a better find and because they were proud of the megaship objects.

You make some interesting points. Have you tried plotting the genship locations in galmap and testing your hypotheses?
 
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You know what? I hadn't noticed that. I guess when I read Premonition I must have skimmed over that since I was so familiar with the short-story version. Thanks!


Elyssia was a clone. I think the best explanation is that the spikey-haired woman is a subsequent clone.


Given that Rebecca was not the person talking to Thorn & Lestenio, I agree.


Rebecca was definitely employed by The Club at one point. I think she was more of a tool not a member.

I hadn’t spotted it either until your comments yesterday prompted me to to a quick search. I really need to go back to the books and do another analysis of the characters.

yes, it seems significant that many characters are clones: Elyssia, Rebecca, Salomé, Octavia, possibly Arissa, maybe the spiky-haired woman...wonder if there’s something here we missed. Could do with a timely comment from DW on this.
 
I hadn’t spotted it either until your comments yesterday prompted me to to a quick search. I really need to go back to the books and do another analysis of the characters.

yes, it seems significant that many characters are clones: Elyssia, Rebecca, Salomé, Octavia, possibly Arissa, maybe the spiky-haired woman...wonder if there’s something here we missed. Could do with a timely comment from DW on this.

I think they are all the same model as Elyssia. The description of the old lady from Reclamation made me believe she was actually Elyssia, long before Premonition.
 
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