That wont be me then, first time someone mentioned Paradise Lost i was looking to find the song that the quote was from
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The Quest To Find Raxxla
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My first afternoon searching around the sunken worlds, after visiting and docking in the Demeter system (200+ KLs supercruise).
I was able to find Trinkets of Hidden Fortune in a ship (Cobra MkIII) around the nav beacon in the closest anarchy system to Ahti. My hatch breakers knocked 5 of 9 from the hold and I was able to scoop two manually, as three other ships were engaging the Cobra and I saw at least one scooped by another ship before I could reach it. Job done, though. I then proceeded to Ahti.
I visited the following systems, in the order given, and FSS scanned them all and mapped some of the bodies in those with multiple planets (and the only body when there was only one), with a focus on those with moons.
Ahti: only 1 planet but 2 orbital stations around it, a Coriolis and a Civilian Outpost. Here was the main oddity of the day: At the Coriolis starport (one with a pair of noobhammers), Jyrki JJ Kasvi Point, it was not possible to disembark. The bottom panel where you manage your suit loadouts and deploy SRV etc. gave the message "Cannot Disembark restricted by port". I have not encountered this anywhere else. It was possible to disembark at the outpost.
Persephone: also only 1 planet but 3 belt clusters. I dropped in on all three but nothing was there. Mining ships (and sometimes pirates) would drop in if I stayed long enough. I docked at the Coriolis here but heard no unusual conversations.
Themiscrya: another system with only 1 planet. I docked and heard no unusual conversations but I have started to notice that NPCs who wander are more likely to engage in them.
Lyonesse: empty system. There were many degraded emissions signal sources and these traced out an ecliptic plane in the absence of one being provided by the FSS. I dropped in on a couple and flew what must have been almost a complete circuit at a distance of ~1KLs from the star to look for anything via the parallax method. I encountered nothing unusual.
Axis Mundi: empty system but there is a secondary star so I flew out to it and FSS scanned all the signal sources. Like Lyonesse, all were degraded emissions Threat 0 and located around the ecliptic plane of the star they were closest to. No sign of anything unusual but I was not keen to drop in on many.
Asphodel: the closest system to Axis Mundi and it has 8 planets, the innermost being an Earth-like World with a moon. I mapped both and docked at a station orbiting the moon. No unusual conversations were encountered but I did see a large advert for Brookes' Galactic Tours pop up in the bar area.
ICZ GM-V b2-4: 10 planets here with no belts or rings and uninhabited. I mapped the binary pairing of planets 8 and 9, one of which has bacterial life and some generic Odyssey surface encounters, though I did not stop to scan/visit them.
Tartarus: my final port of call for the day, it has two outposts and no large stations, though there is a penal colony landable surface port. There are 11 planets and 2 moons here and several water worlds. I mapped the water world that is in a binary configuration with a high metal content world. There were no unusual conversations in the bar.
Some of the systems that I will need to check later are much busier than these. Out of the four Lost or Sunken Kingdoms (Atlantis, Gwaelod, Lyonesse and Ys), only Lyonesse is empty and the other three have plenty to scan - maybe too much! (One of them has four asteroid belts!). I also noticed that when I put HIP 114458 into the Galmap search, having only written HIP 1144 is enough to put that to the top, despite it being out of sequence with the other HIP systems that start with those numbers - and it has a gas giant with an 8th moon (someone has first footfall already, so I'm not getting my hopes up that there's anything there).
I was able to find Trinkets of Hidden Fortune in a ship (Cobra MkIII) around the nav beacon in the closest anarchy system to Ahti. My hatch breakers knocked 5 of 9 from the hold and I was able to scoop two manually, as three other ships were engaging the Cobra and I saw at least one scooped by another ship before I could reach it. Job done, though. I then proceeded to Ahti.
I visited the following systems, in the order given, and FSS scanned them all and mapped some of the bodies in those with multiple planets (and the only body when there was only one), with a focus on those with moons.
Ahti: only 1 planet but 2 orbital stations around it, a Coriolis and a Civilian Outpost. Here was the main oddity of the day: At the Coriolis starport (one with a pair of noobhammers), Jyrki JJ Kasvi Point, it was not possible to disembark. The bottom panel where you manage your suit loadouts and deploy SRV etc. gave the message "Cannot Disembark restricted by port". I have not encountered this anywhere else. It was possible to disembark at the outpost.
Persephone: also only 1 planet but 3 belt clusters. I dropped in on all three but nothing was there. Mining ships (and sometimes pirates) would drop in if I stayed long enough. I docked at the Coriolis here but heard no unusual conversations.
Themiscrya: another system with only 1 planet. I docked and heard no unusual conversations but I have started to notice that NPCs who wander are more likely to engage in them.
Lyonesse: empty system. There were many degraded emissions signal sources and these traced out an ecliptic plane in the absence of one being provided by the FSS. I dropped in on a couple and flew what must have been almost a complete circuit at a distance of ~1KLs from the star to look for anything via the parallax method. I encountered nothing unusual.
Axis Mundi: empty system but there is a secondary star so I flew out to it and FSS scanned all the signal sources. Like Lyonesse, all were degraded emissions Threat 0 and located around the ecliptic plane of the star they were closest to. No sign of anything unusual but I was not keen to drop in on many.
Asphodel: the closest system to Axis Mundi and it has 8 planets, the innermost being an Earth-like World with a moon. I mapped both and docked at a station orbiting the moon. No unusual conversations were encountered but I did see a large advert for Brookes' Galactic Tours pop up in the bar area.
ICZ GM-V b2-4: 10 planets here with no belts or rings and uninhabited. I mapped the binary pairing of planets 8 and 9, one of which has bacterial life and some generic Odyssey surface encounters, though I did not stop to scan/visit them.
Tartarus: my final port of call for the day, it has two outposts and no large stations, though there is a penal colony landable surface port. There are 11 planets and 2 moons here and several water worlds. I mapped the water world that is in a binary configuration with a high metal content world. There were no unusual conversations in the bar.
Some of the systems that I will need to check later are much busier than these. Out of the four Lost or Sunken Kingdoms (Atlantis, Gwaelod, Lyonesse and Ys), only Lyonesse is empty and the other three have plenty to scan - maybe too much! (One of them has four asteroid belts!). I also noticed that when I put HIP 114458 into the Galmap search, having only written HIP 1144 is enough to put that to the top, despite it being out of sequence with the other HIP systems that start with those numbers - and it has a gas giant with an 8th moon (someone has first footfall already, so I'm not getting my hopes up that there's anything there).
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There are a few more systems in that area I have probably not found / plotted. Reading Holdstocks Lost Realms only today identified at least two new ones I had never heard of - linked to realms of eternal youth.
Initially before Holdstock I focused on the Codex text, before I read the Lost Realms text I actually found a number of odd named systems which I interpreted as being linked to the codex, but could not marry them thinking they were too wide; Holdstocks Lost Realms is a little more expansive - including lost islands, fairies and lands of eternal youth etc. and some of these marry the list I have…
The area is no larger for it, as they too are focused around the same axis, I just need to plot some more to find them all…
Interestingly one or two are off the beaten track… I wonder if it’s a breadcrumb trial and it leads elsewhere? Too soon to say, I’ll be re-focusing on mapping these systems against the Holdstock notes and publishing a new map.
But either way my thinking is they purposefully obfuscated Raxxla within a potpourri of other lost realms!
Initially before Holdstock I focused on the Codex text, before I read the Lost Realms text I actually found a number of odd named systems which I interpreted as being linked to the codex, but could not marry them thinking they were too wide; Holdstocks Lost Realms is a little more expansive - including lost islands, fairies and lands of eternal youth etc. and some of these marry the list I have…
The area is no larger for it, as they too are focused around the same axis, I just need to plot some more to find them all…
Interestingly one or two are off the beaten track… I wonder if it’s a breadcrumb trial and it leads elsewhere? Too soon to say, I’ll be re-focusing on mapping these systems against the Holdstock notes and publishing a new map.
But either way my thinking is they purposefully obfuscated Raxxla within a potpourri of other lost realms!
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“Queenly Demeter, bringer of seasons and giver of good gifts, [55] what god of heaven or what mortal man has rapt away Persephone and pierced with sorrow your dear heart? For I heard her voice, yet saw not with my eyes who it was. But I tell you truly and shortly all I know.” So, then, said Hecate“
So, then, said Hecate. [60] And the daughter of rich-haired Rhea answered her not, but sped swiftly with her, holding flaming torches in her hands. So they came to Helios, who is watchman of both gods and men, and stood in front of his horses: and the bright goddess enquired of him: “Helios, do you at least regard me, goddess as I am, [65] if ever by word or deed of mine I have cheered your heart and spirit. Through the fruitless air I heard the thrilling cry of my daughter whom I bare, sweet scion of my body and lovely in form, as of one seized violently; though with my eyes I saw nothing. But you —for with your beams you look down [70] from the bright upper air over all the earth and sea —tell me truly of my dear child, if you have seen her anywhere, what god or mortal man has violently seized her against her will and mine, and so made off.”
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Orphic Hymns also attributed Hekate was a daughter of Deo aka Demeter.
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All very well and good but ultimately where does it lead us?
The historical allusion of a link to Artemis in game is obviously beginning with MB’s book - Elite Legacy, but that was then, (discounting recent events) how were we originally supposed to make that link back then?
Prior to the Codex which came after the removed DW missions, was the original intention to have us possess ‘Trinkets’ and then, that now removed story lead us towards a link to Fortuna/Tyche and then possibly Demeter etc, then resolving into Persephone???
We’ll never know!
But now we have the new FD intelligence, pushing relevance to the Artemis system, referencing Milton and Raxxla directly, then possibly the first leg of the tour pushing us initially towards these lost realms!
It’s possible the link to Brookes book may just be historical, and is actually no longer relevant, because FD has given us that olive branch. Maybe we don’t need to think too much anymore about Demeter/ Persephone etc, and just focus upon the Codex and the Lost Realms. At least to me, it seems part of the journey has already been reached?
My assumption is, the Trinket’s original purpose were to push us in this direction… so now, do the Greek Triad still have any other relevance?
I really think we’re close.
So, then, said Hecate. [60] And the daughter of rich-haired Rhea answered her not, but sped swiftly with her, holding flaming torches in her hands. So they came to Helios, who is watchman of both gods and men, and stood in front of his horses: and the bright goddess enquired of him: “Helios, do you at least regard me, goddess as I am, [65] if ever by word or deed of mine I have cheered your heart and spirit. Through the fruitless air I heard the thrilling cry of my daughter whom I bare, sweet scion of my body and lovely in form, as of one seized violently; though with my eyes I saw nothing. But you —for with your beams you look down [70] from the bright upper air over all the earth and sea —tell me truly of my dear child, if you have seen her anywhere, what god or mortal man has violently seized her against her will and mine, and so made off.”
……….
Orphic Hymns also attributed Hekate was a daughter of Deo aka Demeter.
…………
All very well and good but ultimately where does it lead us?
The historical allusion of a link to Artemis in game is obviously beginning with MB’s book - Elite Legacy, but that was then, (discounting recent events) how were we originally supposed to make that link back then?
Prior to the Codex which came after the removed DW missions, was the original intention to have us possess ‘Trinkets’ and then, that now removed story lead us towards a link to Fortuna/Tyche and then possibly Demeter etc, then resolving into Persephone???
We’ll never know!
But now we have the new FD intelligence, pushing relevance to the Artemis system, referencing Milton and Raxxla directly, then possibly the first leg of the tour pushing us initially towards these lost realms!
It’s possible the link to Brookes book may just be historical, and is actually no longer relevant, because FD has given us that olive branch. Maybe we don’t need to think too much anymore about Demeter/ Persephone etc, and just focus upon the Codex and the Lost Realms. At least to me, it seems part of the journey has already been reached?
My assumption is, the Trinket’s original purpose were to push us in this direction… so now, do the Greek Triad still have any other relevance?
I really think we’re close.
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So I tried with some alignments and the Brookes Tour. I figured the Thargoid Axis and the Adamastor route were good tests.. The Adamastor and the Hesperus were supposedly heading in the direction of Barnards Loop - but from the bits of the route the Adamastor was initally taking (before being diverted) - it was headed towards the Witch Head. I thought it interesting that the line between Artemis and PMD2009 48 crossed at its rough half way point with the half way point of the Merope -Col70 line. But that area had been extensively surveyed already. I went out but didnt see anything....
Yes, actually there is in the place where Humanity first got our hands on Oisir-Raxxlan technology. That place is Egypt.
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Our sacred duty as CMDRS was rebuilding Raxxla after a fortuitous set of mistakes by the Oisir-Raxxlans. This is why only humanity has snake symbolism everywhere. Unlike every other species, humanity was not enslaved. We became the equals of the Raxxlans.
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Preaching to the choir. It has been my dream since first reading The Alien World to see that truth of that book come to life, as I always Knew it would. And well, here we are. I've been saying it for years. The fact that this has led to PMD2009 48 and Orion is just, well, fulfilling. I am incredibly eager to see the next step unfold, regardless of the outcome.Yes, actually there is in the place where Humanity first got our hands on Oisir-Raxxlan technology. That place is Egypt.
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Our sacred duty as CMDRS was rebuilding Raxxla after a fortuitous set of mistakes by the Oisir-Raxxlans. This is why only humanity has snake symbolism everywhere. Unlike every other species, humanity was not enslaved. We became the equals of the Raxxlans.
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Of course there’s always the possibility that MB just wanted us to get some cultural knowledge and Raxxla is actually hidden on the top shelf of the middle aisle at a Sainsbury’s near FD offices in Cambridge!
I think we have to be a little careful here, there's an elephant in the room/book, we can defo use the text (even if TDW is described as a place) but we need to ignore the visual references in the book, they are a collection of pictures from artists with narration added afterwards.
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Picture was from Wikipedia. I just remembered from numerous documentaries that main pyramid complex seems to match Orion's belt and this idea has since been expanded to other ancient sites. Cited it precisely because Holdstock mentioned the pyramids directly.
Completely agree, sorry never meant the Pyramids bit, early on on my Guardian explorations i tried to find similarity's to the pyramids (as you rightly point out they are mentioned in the book).
When i first got the book back in the 80's i didnt feal that the text matched the pictures, a friend of mine who was an album cover artist knew some of the folks that actually did the pictures, Holdstock/Eisler i believe used the pictures, they were never intended to actually relate to his writings so im careful not to relate the pictures to ED.
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Picking through Holdstocks Lost Realms, and I’m focusing on how certain names are grouped together.
I’m going to attempt and replicate this in game, this may add a few more ‘sectors’ eg ‘Holdstocks Eden’s’ or ‘Lands of youth’ etc.
One thing struck me on an initial search, is a few systems (I need to tally and cross check this - so totally tin-foil) have references to other myth, eg a planet named after a god, or more interestingly ‘mountains’.
@GURU-951 you touched upon a mountain theory in the past. I believe this still has some relevance, as I wonder if it’s some form of identifyer?
Brookes used the term several times in his blogs about mountains. Elite Legacy also referred to Saxon mountain men, and Lost Realms also mentioned ‘world mountains’…it’s likely just another clue towards Yggdrasil but I wonder if it’s more like an identifying signature?
I’m going to attempt and replicate this in game, this may add a few more ‘sectors’ eg ‘Holdstocks Eden’s’ or ‘Lands of youth’ etc.
One thing struck me on an initial search, is a few systems (I need to tally and cross check this - so totally tin-foil) have references to other myth, eg a planet named after a god, or more interestingly ‘mountains’.
@GURU-951 you touched upon a mountain theory in the past. I believe this still has some relevance, as I wonder if it’s some form of identifyer?
Brookes used the term several times in his blogs about mountains. Elite Legacy also referred to Saxon mountain men, and Lost Realms also mentioned ‘world mountains’…it’s likely just another clue towards Yggdrasil but I wonder if it’s more like an identifying signature?
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@Jorki Rasalas I am going through Lost Realms over a cup of tea and reading the story of Avalon pages 18-29.
A story well known to many but I’m reading this in the context of simply information gathering, treating the text as an original influence for Brookes in game.
Lost Realms opens up with a discussion on Eden, listing various other realms as similar examples. Then theres an interesting insight with the first chapter on Avalon on page 19 with the boat that carried Arthur, “rowed by three dark robed women”…
Later these same women are revisited on page 26, “Arthur is taken, in a barge occupied entirely by women, one of whom if the Fay - Morgan. Repeatedly the image of three women or three queens, is encountered in the literature, Black clad mournful they are the three faces of the tri-partite goddess of ancient times - fecundity, motherhood and the hag of death”.
Fecundity means fertile. The tri-partite goddess is the maiden, the mother and the crone; symbolism for the female life cycle and phases of the moon.
I can’t not help but think this might be just the source of inspiration, in game for why Hecate, Demeter, Artemis link to Brookes ‘Elite Legacy’.
Going to pick through this text for some time. Not sure if it will lead anywhere, but Ai do believe it further solidifies the Yggdrasil, Underworld theory - and at most may help better define this area, is it a focus point, does it point elsewhere, time will tell…
A story well known to many but I’m reading this in the context of simply information gathering, treating the text as an original influence for Brookes in game.
Lost Realms opens up with a discussion on Eden, listing various other realms as similar examples. Then theres an interesting insight with the first chapter on Avalon on page 19 with the boat that carried Arthur, “rowed by three dark robed women”…
Later these same women are revisited on page 26, “Arthur is taken, in a barge occupied entirely by women, one of whom if the Fay - Morgan. Repeatedly the image of three women or three queens, is encountered in the literature, Black clad mournful they are the three faces of the tri-partite goddess of ancient times - fecundity, motherhood and the hag of death”.
Fecundity means fertile. The tri-partite goddess is the maiden, the mother and the crone; symbolism for the female life cycle and phases of the moon.
I can’t not help but think this might be just the source of inspiration, in game for why Hecate, Demeter, Artemis link to Brookes ‘Elite Legacy’.
Going to pick through this text for some time. Not sure if it will lead anywhere, but Ai do believe it further solidifies the Yggdrasil, Underworld theory - and at most may help better define this area, is it a focus point, does it point elsewhere, time will tell…
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This afternoon I dropped in on all the belt clusters of the B Belts of the B stars in Quivira and HIP 114458. I also mapped the gas giant with rings (planet B2) in Quivira and the 8th moon (B 2 h) in HIP 114458. Nothing unusual to report.
It is very easy to burn out doing this kind of searching. I'll do the A Belt of the B star in HIP 114458 next time I log in.
A part of me feels uneasy that Raxxla might be lurking in a belt cluster, especially if the belt cluster is in an inhabited system. I can understand it not being found if it is millions of Ls into deep space but these belts are surely being mined by NPCs and right after I drop in there is usually a NPC or three following me.
I feel that I am looking in the wrong way, even if I am in the right region of space.
It is very easy to burn out doing this kind of searching. I'll do the A Belt of the B star in HIP 114458 next time I log in.
A part of me feels uneasy that Raxxla might be lurking in a belt cluster, especially if the belt cluster is in an inhabited system. I can understand it not being found if it is millions of Ls into deep space but these belts are surely being mined by NPCs and right after I drop in there is usually a NPC or three following me.
I feel that I am looking in the wrong way, even if I am in the right region of space.
The three women could also be the Fates (Moirai) … who in Platos Myth of Er are tied to the celestial axis and Fortuna…. The three inputs in the Thargoid device … Also there are a variety of axis mundi myths… with rivers. Trees. Poles,…. And Mountains. Maybe look at Mount Meru. Axis is always associated with snakes and birds. Cobras ..and Eagles…. I even wonder about Onion Head…. The Avestan Homa and Vedic Soma/ Amrita are tied to the creation myth and the celestial pole - Samudra Manthan…. Even the names and various logos of Companies in this game… ya im just rambling on -but even if we never find it - i appreciate what Fdev have done here.
Yes, the number three keeps coming back.
Even the Raxxla symbol in your avatar - the three arcs about the sun-symbol, then six shapes on the outside.
I wonder if it is a hint about the system to look for:
A single star with three inner planets, a belt (maybe with the same number of clusters as dashes outside the three arcs), then six large planets.
Even if that's not it and it's instead displaying a 2D representation of a sphere in a cube, or something else, the problem is more that there are too many pointers rather than too few, with myths from many cultures appearing in system and planet names...
Posting this because CMDR @Dylan D made a discovery that seems interesting and may be linked to Halsey and possibly Raxxla itself in Ross 860. For the record, I still believe our understanding of installations is woefully poor. Anyway, posting it for visibility sake especially as this may require signals analysis. Please pay attention to some of the structures he got pictures. This seems to jive with the Raxxla logo.
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A further reminder. The Dan Romero / Halsey vision of a heavenly glow has been validated as in-game and connected to blackholes. I think we need to treat the installations and other permanent POIs as possibly part larger components that make up Raxxla in totality.
The Halsey "heavenly glow":
This may be connected to events linked to Stargate Trax and its' sub-branches from "Tour of the Universe". Events happen on December 24th, 2286. There is a secondary event that occurs on June 15th, 2306.
Both Antares and Starship One are apparently ships that disappeared into the Stargate. Both were Saud Kruger Narwhal Liners. We need to understand what happened. The dates match with Raxxla. If there are Stargates, they must be found.
We have a map from the Galactic Cooperative with approximate locations though distance is not provided.
Ross 860 and Luyten 205-128 may be our best bets at understanding what this Raxxla business is all about.
Freelance Report: R̶̳̊ẹ̶̽d̴͈͐ä̵͎c̷̥͐t̶̢̅e̵͉̅d̴̜̂ Discovery
After exploring the original Spaceflight One route that Jasmina Halsey traveled, I've found something very interesting. Discovered or re-discovered, this has been the closest I've gotten to Raxxla. But I'm not there yet. My heart literally sank as the realization arrived. Its more than just...
A further reminder. The Dan Romero / Halsey vision of a heavenly glow has been validated as in-game and connected to blackholes. I think we need to treat the installations and other permanent POIs as possibly part larger components that make up Raxxla in totality.
The Halsey "heavenly glow":
This may be connected to events linked to Stargate Trax and its' sub-branches from "Tour of the Universe". Events happen on December 24th, 2286. There is a secondary event that occurs on June 15th, 2306.
Both Antares and Starship One are apparently ships that disappeared into the Stargate. Both were Saud Kruger Narwhal Liners. We need to understand what happened. The dates match with Raxxla. If there are Stargates, they must be found.
We have a map from the Galactic Cooperative with approximate locations though distance is not provided.
Ross 860 and Luyten 205-128 may be our best bets at understanding what this Raxxla business is all about.
Sirius Corporation has 5 people killed including the lead investigator of the Antares and Starship One disasters in the GalNet "Five Killed in Shuttle Accident". The problem being: this was no accident. This was burying the past.
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Lets not forget Femi Dakarai
Just realized BigSix (the audit firm) may be coded language referencing Raxxla. The codex image linked to Raxxla - note the 6 dark sections. Seriously, need to figure out what the hell this thing represents. Is this Omphalos Rift? Though, in a way it looks like an Orbis. In any case, Femi Dakarai clearly found something he wasn't supposed to have found and was removed.