When did they last try? There were several systems over a year ago that seemed impossible to flip and it turned out to be entirely related to bugs in the BGS. It might be worth giving it another try.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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When did they last try? There were several systems over a year ago that seemed impossible to flip and it turned out to be entirely related to bugs in the BGS. It might be worth giving it another try.
Went to Ega to get Allied. Sadly no Col 70 Sector permission forthcoming. Next stop Zearla, and then do another cube in (-500, -500, -450).
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I would be very surprised if Raxxla was in the Formidine Rift. I honestly don't know where it is myself, but it is unlikely to be that far away IMHO. It was known about hundreds of years ago when long range space travel was much more tedious. I have a feeling it's not too far from the core worlds, or there's a route to it that's not far from the core worlds.
Cheers,
Drew.
Cheers,
Drew.
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Secret gateway to Raxxla
Hmm, having a secret gateway to Raxxla would absolutely be a sneaky way to hide Raxxla. Maybe the key is to gain a permit to Lave 2, and then do a FSD jump to permit locked system x? Yes, I can see that.
Hmm, having a secret gateway to Raxxla would absolutely be a sneaky way to hide Raxxla. Maybe the key is to gain a permit to Lave 2, and then do a FSD jump to permit locked system x? Yes, I can see that.
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Hi everyone, hi The Black.
I read that tonight very carefully and the whole.
Very interesting quest and method. I think the method is the right one. Brute force method, here, wouldn't be doable, which mean that that quest should be longer than expected.
Some thoughts about the "Dark Wheel" missions (sorry for the followed words, I'll quote Drew Wagar from memory, I have no links, but I guess Drew could confirm).
1 Drew said few times (the most recent was when he was a guest the BroCast of Josh Hawkins, a CoR was also guested by Josh but I don't remember who) that Raxxla could be found by everyone in the game, which mean that is not necessary to be Elite to find evidences or clues, nor having Horizon. Then, Raxxla is not settle on a planet, it must be in space.
2 He also said that it could be found ingame, which also means that all we need to find Raxxla is ingame, even the tools.
3 Drew said that Raxxla could be found by Brute Force method but it would be very hard in that way (he also said that lonewolf could find it too). On the other hand, he said that Raxxla was not a particular place we could find like an USS or so.
4 He said that Raxxla would be obvious when we'll have all the pieces of the puzzle in our hands (maybe we could have Raxxla in front of our eyes from the begining but we didn't know that because we didn't understand WHAT is Raxxla exactly, as we didn't have all the pieces of the puzzle in our hands).
5 Finaly, he said that Raxxla could be found by chance by anyone, alone or not, which could mean that it is a particular object.
Regarding the point 1, its obvious that it couldn't be the right direction to go, as these missions imply to be Elite. Its also obvious that it couldn't be in a permit locked system too.
About the rogue planet hypothesis (this one is my favorite, to be honest).
The very first rogue planet, if we believe Wikipedia, was found in 2011 ("Astrophysicist Takahiro Sumi of Osaka University in Japan and colleagues, who form the Microlensing Observations in Astrophysics (MOA) and the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) collaborations, carried out a study of microlensing which they published in 2011. They observed 50 million stars in the Milky Way using the 1.8-meter MOA-II telescope at New Zealand's Mount John Observatory and the 1.3-meter University of Warsaw telescope at Chile's Las Campanas Observatory. They found 474 incidents of microlensing, ten of which were brief enough to be planets of around Jupiter's size with no associated star in the immediate vicinity. The researchers estimated from their observations that there are nearly two rogue planets for every star in the Milky Way." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet). We must keep in mind that the Stellar Forge is pretty accurate. Its a simulation system. All the properties of each objects in the Galaxy was created in a one shot process by this simulation, which means that the whole Milky Way is not created step by step proceduraly as we travelling thru it. What is generated proceduraly is the % of ressources avaliables, the USS, etc... And FDev can also using this ground to put some fixed POI on it (like the Ruins Sites, e.g.). Raxxla is probably one of those fixed things putted in hands by FDev but we not must think that Raxxla should be created proceduraly (and I don't believe that it could be in the navigation panel after a honk, even with the new properties of our ADS). That's not the case I believe. Just think about how accurated was the Stellar Forge about Trappist-1 ! It was created ingame by the Stellar Forge few years before astronomers uncovered it, which is mind blowing !
If I follow my reasoning in the light of the elements I have mentioned above, as Raxxla is not probably a landable planet (it could be found without Horizon), it could be a rogue planet like a gaz giant, a super-earth, etc... I tend to think that Raxxla is probably something orbiting around a rogue planet, maybe it's controling its run. I have a small preference for the gaz giant, as some brown dwarfs could be very small and very close to a gaz giant in matter of properties and due of the properties of the Stellar Forge AND Galmap (see Trappist-1 system, its main star is a brown dwarf so small that it could be seeing like a gaz giant), I think FDev would have opte to that kind of objects. I don't think there is a way to find a rogue planet with the tools we have ingame but we can find a gaz giant with all the elements we have ingame. A very small brown dwarf would also have some advantage for FDev. Its more controlable with all the tools they have actually, and the orbiting mecanics are enough to making it alive, in the case Raxxla was something orbiting around it.
So here is few thoughts I had during my read. I hope it'll be helpfull. Anyway, I'll follow this with a close eye.
See you all later
I read that tonight very carefully and the whole.
Very interesting quest and method. I think the method is the right one. Brute force method, here, wouldn't be doable, which mean that that quest should be longer than expected.
Some thoughts about the "Dark Wheel" missions (sorry for the followed words, I'll quote Drew Wagar from memory, I have no links, but I guess Drew could confirm).
1 Drew said few times (the most recent was when he was a guest the BroCast of Josh Hawkins, a CoR was also guested by Josh but I don't remember who) that Raxxla could be found by everyone in the game, which mean that is not necessary to be Elite to find evidences or clues, nor having Horizon. Then, Raxxla is not settle on a planet, it must be in space.
2 He also said that it could be found ingame, which also means that all we need to find Raxxla is ingame, even the tools.
3 Drew said that Raxxla could be found by Brute Force method but it would be very hard in that way (he also said that lonewolf could find it too). On the other hand, he said that Raxxla was not a particular place we could find like an USS or so.
4 He said that Raxxla would be obvious when we'll have all the pieces of the puzzle in our hands (maybe we could have Raxxla in front of our eyes from the begining but we didn't know that because we didn't understand WHAT is Raxxla exactly, as we didn't have all the pieces of the puzzle in our hands).
5 Finaly, he said that Raxxla could be found by chance by anyone, alone or not, which could mean that it is a particular object.
Regarding the point 1, its obvious that it couldn't be the right direction to go, as these missions imply to be Elite. Its also obvious that it couldn't be in a permit locked system too.
About the rogue planet hypothesis (this one is my favorite, to be honest).
The very first rogue planet, if we believe Wikipedia, was found in 2011 ("Astrophysicist Takahiro Sumi of Osaka University in Japan and colleagues, who form the Microlensing Observations in Astrophysics (MOA) and the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) collaborations, carried out a study of microlensing which they published in 2011. They observed 50 million stars in the Milky Way using the 1.8-meter MOA-II telescope at New Zealand's Mount John Observatory and the 1.3-meter University of Warsaw telescope at Chile's Las Campanas Observatory. They found 474 incidents of microlensing, ten of which were brief enough to be planets of around Jupiter's size with no associated star in the immediate vicinity. The researchers estimated from their observations that there are nearly two rogue planets for every star in the Milky Way." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet). We must keep in mind that the Stellar Forge is pretty accurate. Its a simulation system. All the properties of each objects in the Galaxy was created in a one shot process by this simulation, which means that the whole Milky Way is not created step by step proceduraly as we travelling thru it. What is generated proceduraly is the % of ressources avaliables, the USS, etc... And FDev can also using this ground to put some fixed POI on it (like the Ruins Sites, e.g.). Raxxla is probably one of those fixed things putted in hands by FDev but we not must think that Raxxla should be created proceduraly (and I don't believe that it could be in the navigation panel after a honk, even with the new properties of our ADS). That's not the case I believe. Just think about how accurated was the Stellar Forge about Trappist-1 ! It was created ingame by the Stellar Forge few years before astronomers uncovered it, which is mind blowing !
If I follow my reasoning in the light of the elements I have mentioned above, as Raxxla is not probably a landable planet (it could be found without Horizon), it could be a rogue planet like a gaz giant, a super-earth, etc... I tend to think that Raxxla is probably something orbiting around a rogue planet, maybe it's controling its run. I have a small preference for the gaz giant, as some brown dwarfs could be very small and very close to a gaz giant in matter of properties and due of the properties of the Stellar Forge AND Galmap (see Trappist-1 system, its main star is a brown dwarf so small that it could be seeing like a gaz giant), I think FDev would have opte to that kind of objects. I don't think there is a way to find a rogue planet with the tools we have ingame but we can find a gaz giant with all the elements we have ingame. A very small brown dwarf would also have some advantage for FDev. Its more controlable with all the tools they have actually, and the orbiting mecanics are enough to making it alive, in the case Raxxla was something orbiting around it.
So here is few thoughts I had during my read. I hope it'll be helpfull. Anyway, I'll follow this with a close eye.
See you all later
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Well... Happy to see this is recovering interest!!!
I do find it intriguing that Raxxla could be much closer than we think or even maybe inside the bubble as Drew commented. I personally think that Raxxla is a planet, but it might have very standard characteristics and thus hard to identify. In one of the older books, don't remember which (and might not even be lore by now), Raxxla appeared out of nowhere in the Lave system as a moon, just to disappear some time later. It might be a fast moving rogue planet with enough speed to not be caught by a star, but might be appearing in different systems as it passes through?
During 2015 I took it to myself to pursue some clues from the books. Out of ideas, I decided to follow the steps of Alex Ryder, from Lave to the Tionisla Graveyard, and even tried to find Rafe's Anaconda at 0.1ly from Tionisla... I gave up when I couldn't enter Isinor, which was at the time permit-locked (is this still the case, by the way?) Hell, I even tried everything I could think of to see if I could force a mis-jump! (doesn't work...)
Have you all read "Darkness Falls"? This story (probably not lore) is the closest I have seen to a description of Raxxla, although it might have it completely wrong. It still is a very interesting read, including the Elite bar. I could sadly not find any clues there, not even on how to find the planet with the bar. It was an unlisted planet in that book, so it would be impossible to find without clues anyway... What I find interesting from that story, and with the comments of Drew on the short range of travel at the time, is that the trip over to Raxxla was rather fast, so it would imply that it's closer than we think. That said, the old woman did manage to get to the Formidine Rift with a ship of the time...
The fact that Raxxla could be closer than we think has raised my interest back on the topic, so please count me back into the investigation!
By the way Macros, I'm intrigued by who PM'd you. Depending on who this was, it would give credibility to that information or could be dismissed! The fact that the Formidine Rift is commented as a possible location puts a big question mark on it for me.
Rafe smiled, shaking his head. Suddenly there was a brilliant sparkle in his eyes: 'Raxxla's no alien,
Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .'
Just a comment on the rogue planets. It was initially believed (and think it was in the DDS as well) that you would be able to reach rogue planets by mis-jumps. This type of system is not in game as of yet, but it is common belief that rogue planets could be those planets that are orbiting no star in some systems, often with very large orbits. They can usually be recognized because instead of being attached to a star in the system map, they are bound to an "X". Although this "X" might as well represent sometimes the baricenter of twin stars, not sure about this...Hi everyone, hi The Black.
About the rogue planet hypothesis (this one is my favorite, to be honest).
The very first rogue planet, if we believe Wikipedia, was found in 2011 ("Astrophysicist Takahiro Sumi of Osaka University in Japan and colleagues, who form the Microlensing Observations in Astrophysics (MOA) and the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) collaborations, carried out a study of microlensing which they published in 2011. They observed 50 million stars in the Milky Way using the 1.8-meter MOA-II telescope at New Zealand's Mount John Observatory and the 1.3-meter University of Warsaw telescope at Chile's Las Campanas Observatory. They found 474 incidents of microlensing, ten of which were brief enough to be planets of around Jupiter's size with no associated star in the immediate vicinity. The researchers estimated from their observations that there are nearly two rogue planets for every star in the Milky Way." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet). We must keep in mind that the Stellar Forge is pretty accurate. Its a simulation system. All the properties of each objects in the Galaxy was created in a one shot process by this simulation, which means that the whole Milky Way is not created step by step proceduraly as we travelling thru it. What is generated proceduraly is the % of ressources avaliables, the USS, etc... And FDev can also using this ground to put some fixed POI on it (like the Ruins Sites, e.g.). Raxxla is probably one of those fixed things putted in hands by FDev but we not must think that Raxxla should be created proceduraly (and I don't believe that it could be in the navigation panel after a honk, even with the new properties of our ADS). That's not the case I believe. Just think about how accurated was the Stellar Forge about Trappist-1 ! It was created ingame by the Stellar Forge few years before astronomers uncovered it, which is mind blowing !
If I follow my reasoning in the light of the elements I have mentioned above, as Raxxla is not probably a landable planet (it could be found without Horizon), it could be a rogue planet like a gaz giant, a super-earth, etc... I tend to think that Raxxla is probably something orbiting around a rogue planet, maybe it's controling its run. I have a small preference for the gaz giant, as some brown dwarfs could be very small and very close to a gaz giant in matter of properties and due of the properties of the Stellar Forge AND Galmap (see Trappist-1 system, its main star is a brown dwarf so small that it could be seeing like a gaz giant), I think FDev would have opte to that kind of objects. I don't think there is a way to find a rogue planet with the tools we have ingame but we can find a gaz giant with all the elements we have ingame. A very small brown dwarf would also have some advantage for FDev. Its more controlable with all the tools they have actually, and the orbiting mecanics are enough to making it alive, in the case Raxxla was something orbiting around it.
So here is few thoughts I had during my read. I hope it'll be helpfull. Anyway, I'll follow this with a close eye.
See you all later
I do find it intriguing that Raxxla could be much closer than we think or even maybe inside the bubble as Drew commented. I personally think that Raxxla is a planet, but it might have very standard characteristics and thus hard to identify. In one of the older books, don't remember which (and might not even be lore by now), Raxxla appeared out of nowhere in the Lave system as a moon, just to disappear some time later. It might be a fast moving rogue planet with enough speed to not be caught by a star, but might be appearing in different systems as it passes through?
During 2015 I took it to myself to pursue some clues from the books. Out of ideas, I decided to follow the steps of Alex Ryder, from Lave to the Tionisla Graveyard, and even tried to find Rafe's Anaconda at 0.1ly from Tionisla... I gave up when I couldn't enter Isinor, which was at the time permit-locked (is this still the case, by the way?) Hell, I even tried everything I could think of to see if I could force a mis-jump! (doesn't work...)
Have you all read "Darkness Falls"? This story (probably not lore) is the closest I have seen to a description of Raxxla, although it might have it completely wrong. It still is a very interesting read, including the Elite bar. I could sadly not find any clues there, not even on how to find the planet with the bar. It was an unlisted planet in that book, so it would be impossible to find without clues anyway... What I find interesting from that story, and with the comments of Drew on the short range of travel at the time, is that the trip over to Raxxla was rather fast, so it would imply that it's closer than we think. That said, the old woman did manage to get to the Formidine Rift with a ship of the time...
The fact that Raxxla could be closer than we think has raised my interest back on the topic, so please count me back into the investigation!
By the way Macros, I'm intrigued by who PM'd you. Depending on who this was, it would give credibility to that information or could be dismissed! The fact that the Formidine Rift is commented as a possible location puts a big question mark on it for me.
Rafe smiled, shaking his head. Suddenly there was a brilliant sparkle in his eyes: 'Raxxla's no alien,
Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .'
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I have an interest about Raxxla since few month (I began the game in feb of last year and Raxxla intrigued me very early after I began ED but never found time to be focused on) ^^
Yeah, I knew that. But I decided to following the words of Drew when he said that Raxxla could be found ingame. I took "ingame" as it, basicaly, and interpreted this as : with all you could have ingame. Misjump is not an actual game mecanic, so I putted it on my left until it would be.
IMO, it could be a proof that Raxxla is a very big device orbiting around a rogue planet and controling its running. If its the case, I guess this device could use the gravitational energy as fuel to open and close witchspace.
Dunno if Isinor is still permit-locked. Its a thing we must confirm.
No, never read that. To be honnest, I didn't know nothing about this book. You must know that I'm not as fluent as I want in english, I'm french native ^^. I never read an whole book in english (I'll do my very first read by reading The Dark Wheel soon).
I'll be back here after having read The Dark Wheel, And Here The Wheel, and Reclamation. If something jump into my eyes during my reading, I'll go back here to talking about that.
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SAP 8 Core Containers are back
Thanks to CMDR Efilone for giving the tip. Looks like a Degraded Signal Source with rescue ships. Will pay Wolf 903 a visit.
Thanks to CMDR Efilone for giving the tip. Looks like a Degraded Signal Source with rescue ships. Will pay Wolf 903 a visit.
[video=youtube_share;O1gpAZM743I]https://youtu.be/O1gpAZM743I[/video]
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Also intrigued by a possible location of Raxxla in the bubble.
It was CMDR Xanderius (gamezombie92) who gave the his suggestion of the bubble / Formidine Rift locations. Think Drew has ruled out the Formidine Rift location, as this is probably a whole different mystery to be discovered (eventually).
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An orbiting device (around an ELW?) sounds like a reasonable assumption; Horizons is probably not a requirement, and if Raxxla is an ELW, we couldn't land there anyway (yet).
I don't know the sources for Darkness Falls, so not sure if it's lore/cannon. Interesting read anyway. Thanks for the link, CMDR.
The inhabited bubble has been scanned and explored a hundred times over, if it was there it would have to be a moving rouge planet (although drew has confirmed that the book in which that's mentioned is not cannon), or some kind of device as Alex suggested. If it was just outside the inhabited bubble (maybe in a sphere with the radius of sol to Merope?), then there's a change it might still be an undiscovered planet or moon, or even discovered and just unnoticed. Either way, I assume we can rule out any inhabited systems, as it wouldn't make sense for this huge secret to be in a place traveled by thousands or millions a day.
That is true. Which is why one possibility could be a hidden entry to a permit locked system no one has thought of yet. One precondition for entering Raxxla is a combat rank of Elite, I guess we just have to find the other(s).
A combat rank of elite? I thought those missions were changed to lock to exploration elites?
Not talking about the missions, this quote from http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/29369_the Dark Wheel.pdf
"One thing's for sure," Rafe went on drily. "Unless you get there, unless you become elite, you'll never get to Raxxla."
From what drew described, makes sens that its either in the bubble, or within a reasonable proximity to the bubble. Seeing as Polaris is permit locked, and is not that far from the inhabited bubble, could this be relevant? I'm not sure of any other permit locked siongle systems in the area (Single system locked - not a whole region)
There's several permit locked systems listed in this thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Permit-List?p=1894682&viewfull=1#post1894682
Polaris is definitely interesting, it's been connected to the Thargoids in the old games.
In the story "Darkness Falls" they describe Raxxla as an ELW with a construct orbiting it. On one side is the gate, and on the other side of the planet is the generator. All Elites from that bar fly there to destroy it and succeed.
I hope it's not behind a permit locked system, although very well possible.
I hope it's not behind a permit locked system, although very well possible.
Be careful, these are all references to the Formidine Rift - NOT Raxxla.
Drew is not involved with the Raxxla thing, as far as I know, and I remember M.Brookes or D. Braben stating there will be no clues for Raxxla.
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Wolf 903 report
State.......................: None.
Traffic report..............: Asp Explorer(1), Federal Corvette(1), Anaconda(1)
SAP 8 Core Containers found.: 0.
CIF Missions................: 1. Mullane Station.
Convoys scanned.............: 2. Antiquities, Scientific Research.
Combat Aftermath............: 1.
Weapons fire................: 13.
Degraded Emissions..........: 13.
Degraded Emission w. Rescue.: 3.
High grade..................: 4. Proprietary Composites, Core Dynamic Composites.
Stations visited............: Mullane station, Hausdorff Holdings, Bulgakov Keep.
Crewmember..................: Harmless, couldn't hit a planet, even if she was right in front of it.
State.......................: None.
Traffic report..............: Asp Explorer(1), Federal Corvette(1), Anaconda(1)
SAP 8 Core Containers found.: 0.
CIF Missions................: 1. Mullane Station.
Convoys scanned.............: 2. Antiquities, Scientific Research.
Combat Aftermath............: 1.
Weapons fire................: 13.
Degraded Emissions..........: 13.
Degraded Emission w. Rescue.: 3.
High grade..................: 4. Proprietary Composites, Core Dynamic Composites.
Stations visited............: Mullane station, Hausdorff Holdings, Bulgakov Keep.
Crewmember..................: Harmless, couldn't hit a planet, even if she was right in front of it.
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Wonder if Col-70 lockout get's lifted with next patch (In beta it's listed as restricted/closed, no longer unknown permit required). Might me get some new clues? the sector fits with the current line of thinking no? reasonably close to the bubble? Also in whats turning out to be a very mysterious part of the galaxy... thoughts?
I am as curious about Raxxla as the rest of you. I have no concrete ideas on it.
Cheers,
Drew.